He believes Southeast Roanoke has a perception problem
A note from E. Duane Howard today:
A neighbor in S.E. says she has contacted the city on this location and this most unbelievable, unacceptable situation and no response.
She said they said they can’t do anything because the property is in foreclosure — Bank of America.
I’m sorry, but I can’t help but to go back to my old line: If this were in South Roanoke, how long would the problem be allowed to exist?
You can see this neighbor’s comments on the Southeast Action Forum FaceBook page.
I think this is such a perfect examples of the problems we have in S.E. that the city seem unable or unwilling to go after.
January 29, 2013 - 4:38 PM
Read the ‘Southeast Getem’ and ‘Southeast Getem II’ pages on facebook if you want to see a real perception problem
I think it is Southwest Roanoke that has the perception problem.
I think I remember Bowers winning the election with an overwhelming majority from Southeast. So why is South Roanoke to blame for a lack of governmental intervention in Southeast?
Duane,
I’ve lived in Roanoke City/County for 31 years, in zip codes 24014, 24015, and 24018. In the late 70′s, I drove from South Roanoke to Vinton daily for a two year period…along the road which begins in Roanoke as Elm Avenue. My impression then was SE was neglected by the city, but the residents did the best they could with what they had.
My impression now is the same. What’s happened in the mean-time?
Nothing.
The city government has been very largely liberal democrat…and always pre-occupied with reaching for the next “big thing.” They flit from one senseless “project” after another. Heck, Duane, they can’t even agree amongst themselves on what to do, when, and how. All the while, they spend thousands of dollars for “studies”…, then more “studies”, followed by more “studies” to study the “studies”…for the most part seeking political cover…not good governance. Good governence? P’tui!
Roanoke City residents deserve the government they have, pure and simple. This includes the folks in SE.
One party democrat leadership has given southeast city residents all they think the residents deserve. As long as there is an absence of constructive thinking and action on the part of council, residents of southeast can expect no change.
Oh wait a minute! Sheesh, Duane! I forgot to mention those funky “traffic controllers” the city fathers and mothers had installed along Elm Avenue…they count for something don’t they? Yeah, right.
Dan, I finally agree with you on something. Roanoke city administration has a long history of catering to certain communities over others and SE Roanoke City has long been the redheaded stepchild in Roanoke and it is an absolute shame. This is a prime example as is the jungle that is the section of greenway that runs along Bennington street in the spring and summer, it doesn’t look like that along Rivers Edge Sports Complex or along the rest of Wiley Drive because it’s not in SE. Our leaders should be ashamed and I hope this guilts them into taking some form of action in this matter.
Jim Basham,
Please don’t misunderstand. Ol’ dano didn’t write the piece, …E. Duane Howard wrote the piece. Dan DID provide the forum for Duane’s thoughts to be read and commented on. Good for Dan.
And, I can PROMISE you, the lib-democrat leaders of Roanoke City don’t give a hoot about SE, or Duane’s letter. They have more important fish to fry…for their own lib-plates.
I have echoed those same, “If this were in South Roanoke, how long would the problem be allowed to exist?” sentiments for several years now. How hard is it to bill Bank of America for the code violations? I PROMISE you, they are quick to hound someone who is behind on a loan payment to their institution. If the bank is going to be allowed to rent the properties out after the home has gone into foreclosure, then they should be held to the same standards as every other property owner in this city.
I wonder if they would allow someone to go over there and split that wood and keep it to burn?
Wow, #5 hit the nail on the head.
Carrie and Kendra,
The people of the City of Roanoke get what they vote for. Just like the people of Detroit. Just like the people of Chicago.
The City’s government gives money to… TAKE tax-generating land from a viable, TAX-GENERATING, SUCCESSFUL business…to “give” the land to a rich, powerful, non-profit which doesn’t even want the land in the first place.
And, the Roanoke Times is there to “carry the water” regarding “public perception” for the lib-democrats who are fully and squarely behind the fiasco they call “City” government.
Where is the “skepticism” that the press used to play regarding government? It’s been taken over by ideology…Dan Casey’s ideology. Althought, to give credit where credit is due, Dan at least permitted Duane space on Dan’s blog.
The Roanoke Times perpetuates the fiasco.
Sheesh.
Jim,
Thank you and you are correct….That section is a disgrace and embarrassment and we have complained about it.
Geez, you have an Art Museum. These people just need to take one for the team.
Terps,
You are missing the point….I think?…..IF……IF such a situation were to pop up in South Roanoke, Once power and influence complained, it would be addressed and resolved immediately…..
Frank,
The city is most responsive on my complaints on issue that can be addressed and resolved….The city code inspection was on the issue today and stop by to talk with me….Said they expect it to be resolved by 2/5.
Sometimes they have to be embarrassed into action…I sent these pictures to all the powers to be and it was jumped on right away….We have more than our share of “BackWoods” people due to the number of slum lords and chopped up houses with God only knows how mnay units in them….And we have the Rescue Mission and homeless to deal with…….Which, for your information…..Joy patting herself on the back for having come up with that great idea she put into action…FYI…It was a resident of S.E. that came up with the idea through a years process of Conflict Resolution meetings of the whole community being involved….There, LOL…got that off my chest…two for one…
If the City is all over the property owners for the “code violations” the people of Southeast are all up in arms and claim the city is picking on them (remember Tony/Jack Mcguire) The City is not to blame for the fact that SE and NW are populated with the poor and working class of the Valley and that they cannot afford to pay people to haul off the detritus and clean up the debris, fix their roof, paint or bring an old home “up to code”.
I think there is a hell of a lot to fault the City with, but not being able to take care of people’s, slumlords or the Bankster’s property is not one of them. There are also homeowners and renters in SE and NW who work hard to maintain and keep up their properties but the reality if that if the City is to take more action and clean up eyesores, that work will need to be funded…and enforced on EVERYONE. That will drive people out of SE and NW but not much else.
And not for nothing but there are a lot of property owners and renters who believe that as long as they are paying for their place, they may park and junk it up as they see fit. I think they call it freedom and liberty and their God given right.
Sandi 8:52…that was Jack’s position.
The funny thing about this and Frank surely knows it, is that South Roanoke overwhelmingly votes Republican in every election, including the 2012 Mayoral election. To imply City Council would not allow this to happen in SoRo because it’s a liberal bastion is patently false.
Jim Basham I ride the Greenway a lot and have no clue what “jungle” you are talking about in S.E. I happen to think the section from the Hospital to 9th st. is one of the nicest along the greenway…
Hey Duane, Sandi, Scott, et al,
What I see you libs sayin’, is, it’s the poor peoples fault.
They don’t know better. They don’t have any money. Oh! I know! Let’s give ‘em funky traffic barriers along Elm Avenue!
Yippee ki yay, THAT’LL do’em just right!
You all IGNORE the Council…which can’t even agree amongst themselves on how to even do “lib” things. David Bowers is the best Mayor the City will vote for. Sherman Lea, and the others, are the best, “…leaders” that Roanoke City citizens will vote for.
They deserve each other. They had alternatives, and the lib-democratic machine swept the election…as they typically do. Ya’all just pat yourselves on your backs, give each other trophies, sing kum-ba-ya, and let Roanoke City turn into Detroit or Chicago… ’cause that’s the direction it’s going, in my opinion.
Hey, I know!
Hey Dano, why don’t you write a HUGE column whereby you can tell the libs how good it is in SE….tell Duane that he’s off the mark concerning SE’s “perception” problem, and tell everyone how the all lib-democrat Council is the best thing that’s ever happened to the City of Roanoke.
That’ll fix things, and put the complainers in their proper place.
Scott Whitaker,
Your comment is baffling. The republican votes in South Roanoke don’t matter concerning City Council elections, …and, how in the world do you not realize that?
Please explain how your point about “South Roanoke votes over-whelmingly republican” is worth even a smidgeon of re-fried beans, eh?
And, SoRo folks can call folks on City Council and get their needs taken care of …because they can. And, elected members of City Council…every last one of’em is a lib-democrat…which is the way things have been in Roanoke City for decades, …jump to please’em.
In my opinion, the citizens of Roanoke City get what they vote for. In fact, since they vote so over-whelmingly for lid-democrats over decades of elections, I’d kinda think they’d all be happy as pigs in slop.
To close this comment, I want to go back the the original note-sender in the first place…
Sheesh, E. Duane Howard, what are you causing such a stir for?
This is beginning to remind me of the gun debate….you either get it or you don’t…..Frank…..Do you live in S.E…..if you lived next to junk and trash you obiosuly would not mind it….I move in here…bought a nice little house, take care of my property, my dog, abide by every law and code on the books….I get side walks and curbs and gutter put in…Then a renter moves in and they break every law, code of decency, junk vehicles,,,dogs getting lose, and we the good home owners shouldn’t expect the city to force these people to adhere to the law?….What these redneck, backwoods people just don’t get…..If you live in the city, any city, there are stricter standards of code, conduct and law one must abide my or move the hell to Franklin county, Roanoke County any county whre you don’t have the codes and laws we have in the city….It’s that simply…..So some of you think this is wrong?….We are making tiny steps on turning S.E. around…I see a positive future and long after I’m gone I expect it to turn around and become the next Old Southwest, where good home owners fighting to improve and keeping on the city for support will eventually win out over the bad guys….Call me a dreamer, but that’s my dream.
Nice post Duane. May I suggest you start taking the stuff over to one of their banks and put it in the lobby. It’s theirs now, as it is abandoned on their property, so you are within your rights.
I so don’t care what my neighbors do. However, I would much rather see a Jeep Cherokee halfway atop a pile of firewood than the stupid, 8 foot tall lighted, inflatable Christmas decoration my neighbors not only run through the month of December, but leave deflated on the lawn through the month of January.
E Duane, it’s not only Southeast.
This morning one neighbor a few doors down was out walking her mild-mannered dog. One of my next door neighbor’s recently obtained pit bulls got loose and went for the little mild-mannered dog.
The few-doors-down neighbor tried to protect her pet and she ended up getting chomped on the arm bigtime. Into the muscle. She called the cops, and ended up in my house. I called my next door neighbor at work and she rushed home to find the cops and animal contol, who arrested the pit bull. The injured neighbor ended up going to her doc. And the remaining pit bull is still barking long and loud at every shadow. Damn those thing are loud and irritating.
My humble opinion: dogs that bite people under these circumstances need to be put down. We have a lot of little kids running around this street, for goodness sakes.
Drama on Tillett Road!
So do you think that South Roanoke is not IN the City or that the city just “controls” them better? Sorry, this is just not the City’s fault. The “traffic calming” crap and such? Sure, idiocy reigns, no doubt about it, but a man and “his property” are sacrosanct in SE and NW and doubtless in South Roanoke and Salem too. It is what it is, income levels, education levels and transient levels all contribute, but it is not the “fault” of the city IMO. I have no doubt they have tried to control such things when seen or reported but this “police state” idea would get old real quick, surely you know that?
You should REALLY be glad Tony/Jack is no longer here.
“My humble opinion: dogs that bite people under these circumstances need to be put down. We have a lot of little kids running around this street, for goodness sakes.”
Yep.
And don’t forget the HEFTY fine for pain and suffering, on top of medical bills. Show me a dog that bites (unprovoked) and I’ll show you an owner that’s hateful. It’s almost a universal constant.
Hey Duane,
I’m happy you are happy.
Sandi…
It is the cities fault when they use “Selective” enforcement….Both the cops and the city know and understand the mentality and they are equally frustrated with it….Just like when I call the cops on a car totally parked over and straddling a sidewalk…and the cop does not see the issue and drives off…I’ve seen a person in a wheel chair out in the street because a car is on the sidewalk….Again I say….Living in the city has more laws…..If you can’t and don’t want to be civilized, then you are not fit to live in the city…
Dan,
DOGS…I’ve got more dogs that live around me than people….When renters moved across the street from me with two pit bulls, a junk car parked in the driveway…Plywood going up all around the fence trying to keep the dogs in….in other words “white trash”…I was constantly having animal control, code and the police….I did not let up….either they got fed up or the landlord did and they moved in three months…I suffered a rock through my window and other damage in retaliation….but my street in a much nicer place to live now….You have got to keep on with animal control over a barking dog…When whatever ANYONE does, that infringes on our piece and quiet and quality of life…then they should be the ones to suffer, not those that adhere to every law and code…I took another near by house to court over their constant barking pit bull….She was fined and eventually moved….After visiting the area where the house with the wood in the front yard….OMG…what some trashes areas of S.E…..I now realize I live in the “South Roanoke” of Southeast….
Are there two E. Duane Howard’s posting on this thread?
Duane No. 1 originally said,
“…I think this is such a personal example of the problems we have in S.E. that the city seems unable or unwilling to go after.”
Duane No. 2 made the following comment to Sandi,
“if you can’t and don’t want to be civilized, then you are not fit to live in the city.”
…Wil the REAL …E. Duane Howard, …please stand up!
Hey Duanes, you get what you vote for. Be happy. Be “civilized”.
Frank, put the keyboard down before you hurt yourself.
Hay Dave Gresham,
Which is it?
1. 1 Duane, posting contradictory comments…, or
2. 2 Duanes, posting diametrically opposed comments…
Are you civilized, Dave Gresham?
Like I said Duane, the City has many flaws and certainly I cannot argue about the “selective” enforcement, that is one of the big things people complain about. Some people get away with everything it seems and others nothing at all.
I am not making light of the situation and bad neighbors and neighborhoods are bad for a City. But, I do not blame it all on the City and I cannot figure how you can keep the “uncivilized” out.
Frank….guess I’m pretty dense….I don’t see my contradiction?….Responding in quick reponse post, obviously must be sending conflicting opinions to you….They are perfectly clear in my mind and all the others I’ve worked with over the years in S.E…..so…I’m trying to not write an essay on Dan’s blog…I think my commentaries published in the paper are quite clear, espcially the ones talking about S.E. and the Rescue Mission.
Sandi…Am I blaming it all on the city?…..NO, I can’t explain and blame the city for whatever make these backwoods, uncililized, people who don’t care how they live in trash and filth….But it’s up to the city to enforce laws and codes is it not?….And we do understand the problem is 10 times the capacity for the city to deal with it, but people like me keep on them to keep on chipping away at the problem.
“Frank….guess I’m pretty dense….I don’t see my contradiction?”
Between Frank and you, you’re definitely not the dense one. Frank’s comment made no sense, except perhaps to him.
Ok,ok…enough with the “lib-democrat” stuff. I am one of SEVERAL hmeowners who live on the block with the house in question who have complained over and over to code enforcement about this house. Not only is the fron yard a disaster, the people who live there have zero respect for everone on this street. They fire up chainsaws in the middle of the night, they drive like maniacs up and down this street, they have had physical altercations with several of our neighbors…the list goes on and on. I, for one, am sick of having my property devalued every single year, due in large part to the renters who have moved in and junked up the place. Most of them don’t care about taking care of the property because they don’t own it. And don’t say, “why don’t you just move?”. I own my home, and with the exception of 2 houses in this neighborhood, I love my neighbors. Has anyone ever heard of the “broken window effect”? Basically, if people junk up their property, others soon follow suit. Beforelong, the entire neighborhood is in disrepair. I don’t want that to happen in my neighborhood. My husband and I are working class Joes. We’re not wealthy, but we take pride in our home and our property. I don’t think it’s too much to ask my neighbors to do the same and follow the same standards that the rest of the city has to follow. I assure you that if you did a little digging, you’d find out that the ones complaining that Code Enforcement is “picking on SE” are slumlords who don’t care what the property looks like, as long as they’re collecting a rent check every month. And btw…not all of us are “lib Dems”. We’re also not right wing neo-cons. We are sensible people who pay taxes and vote for who we think is best suited for the office. And what do party lines have to do with any of this? The bottom line is that the elected officials are there to do a JOB. If SE votes primarily Democrat, and SW votes primarily Republican, WHY would they cater to an area that doesn’t support them?? This has less to do with politics and more to do with the fact that SE has had a stigma hanging over its head for far too long. When we try to make positive changes in our neighborhoods, we are met with negativity from the public and indifference from the powers that be. That yard has been a WRECK for months. Multiple calls and emails to code enforcement did no good. It wasn’t until this morning that I was informed by a code enforcement officer that the property has now been cited and that they have until Feb. 5 to clean it up. Why has it take so long for the city to act on this mess? The code enforcement officer tried to tell me that the residents had cleaned up the mess several times, but I PROMISE you, it has been just steadily getting worse.
Frank: You attacked him as a liar. And why? What your rigid mind is calling contradictory, is not. Might be nuances, but that’s different. Take the last word now.
Jay: Can I pile a mountain of garbage next to your house? And tie up my dog, who barks all night, outside your window? Yeah, he’s a pain, but generally in a good way. Because if the City didn’t have to put up with relentless people like him, they would piss all over SE. What have you done to make SE a better place? Specific accomplishments, please.
No, Dave Gresham, YOUR word is “liar”.
Please read Mr. Howard’s original note, then read his note to Sandi, which I then used to confront Mr. Howard with his 2 diametrically opposed comments.
Its real clear, and real simple, Dave.
Mr. Howard is quick to blame “the city”…but when I pointed out to him that Roanoke City residents “deserve the government they vote for”, why, golly, his tone did a 180…and he wasn’t on a skate-board.
Sheesh.
Let me say for the Record ….I could not be more proud of my arrest at city council……You may think you know why it happened, but the God’s honest truth, you don’t have a clue…..and Yes I was found guilty all the way up to the Va. Supreme Court….based on what they wanted to see and hear….The city council tapes are on file….and they would show you that in the end it was a personal vindictive retaliation from Mayor Nelson Harris from a bitter campaign in 2004…Interesting that the tapes show after my arrest, and the Mayor warned of no further outburst, the disruption continued but no one else was removed…That’s just half the story…Jay….Please tell us what my code violation is?….Can’t deny it if I can’t remember it….can YOU?…..and anyone who cannot reveal who they are, their words should be taken with a grain of salt…Least I’m up front and not afraid to hide from what I do….and I will be judge accordingly.
I won’t you to know how proud I am of my “troble making”…It’s so temping to want to post all my major accomplishments being a trouble maker, but I wouldn’t want to bore you, LMAO…
P.S. for Jay, LOL….you have probably enjoyed some of the fruits of my trouble making…..You know so much…why don’t you tell what they are..!
FOR THE RECORD:
A zoning “complaint” does not indicate a violation, which I do have two on file which were unfounded, no charges or notice issue…A neigbor retaliating again a trouble makeer
The Weed violation is on the record for the address in 2004, which was two years before I bought the property….
Anyone can called code on you for anything they want….does not mean you are guilty as in my case….
“Ok,ok…enough with the “lib-democrat” stuff. ”
I see you’ve met Frank.
It is obvious that Duane cares deeply for his home and his neighborhood. I have enjoyed his hospitality and his company and consider him a stellar, caring citizen. In no way was I challenging his perspective, he lives in the neighborhood, I don’t.
My only point was that when people are so determined to be buttheads, angry, confrontational and trashy, there is only so much the City or neighborhoods can do. And these folks know that and play on it.
No one should have to feel they cannot enjoy their home, their yard or their community and bad apples have ruined many.
Being poor or working class is no excuse to be sorry, belligerent or insulting, but for some it comes naturally. What the City needs to crack down on are the slumlords and the people who rent a property and do not take care of it. I am not for a second disputing that need and please, Carie and Duane, do not take my comments that way.
You were not here when Tony/Jack was a regular who railed against the City for totally unfounded BS and “picking on SE” and it made me aware of that mindset of “I’ll show you” that is so prevalent in SE and NW. I feel for anyone and especially those trapped with awful neighbors and slumlord property next door.
Jay, you are a boor, and IMO a coward for attacking Duane from the safety of anonymity. We see that a lot here.
This thread went so sideways. I don’t “rat” on my neighbors, either. But when you are greeted with “f—you!” and “…it’s not your business…” when you try to offer help (and I mean HELP. I will not do someone’s work FOR them.), what are we supposed to do? Calling code enforcement and/or the police when necessary is our only option at this point.
Pretty sure Duane knows who Jay is.
“My only point was that when people are so determined to be buttheads, angry, confrontational and trashy. . .”
–Comment by Sandi Saunders
My 2 cents: I actually consider the ability to “be” the way described above a useful and important personality trait, when used discretely and strategically. I’m not talking about living in a neighborhood; but rather as a maneuver on certain rare occasions. There are times in life when pays to be loud, obnoxious, theatrical and frightening (but never explicitly threatening). The tactic has never failed me.
Welcome to the blog, Carrie. We are pros when it comes to going sideways!
hay Kristen,
how YOU doin?
My point, exactly. Libs have run Roanoke City for decades. Mr. Howard is tired of what he feels is a double standard regarding the way S.E. gets treated compared to other neighborhoods in the city. He raises the issue to Dan, who posts it as the lead on this thread. And the most obvious reason for Mr. Howard’s frustration lies in the way the City is governed.
Ergo, the libs are the problem. You get what you vote for. And, you get my drift.
Not only that, but Frank claims it’s all the big bad newspaper’s fault. Frank spends a lot of his time fuming at the paper. Which is funny to me, but quite sad in terms of his own life.
Hey Frank, a hint: you shouldn’t get too worked up over things you can’t change. Just sayin’
Interesting Point Dan, and have you ever considered requiring actual names for posting? Wasn’t this an issue the paper itself discussed a while back?
Carrie, welcome and we would love to have you stay. You, Duane, and the rest of us, have to do what we have to do and no, putting up with crappy neighbors is not right, but it sure happens.
I do not think the City employs selective enforcement in the same way Hey Frank is saying. Nor is it political IMO. South Roanoke is where money is, money does not live like trash, nor does it live like poor or working class people in all honesty. That is simply a reality that Code Enforcement has nothing to do with. The cost of living in SE and NW is going to attract the delinquent, rebellious and “freedom loving” heathen types. It just is.
You are right to call animal control, code enforcement, the Mayor, City Council members, the Planning Commission, the Zoning Board and whomever else you can think of to call, I would. But having been out on a limb that Bedford County sawed off, I would not put much faith in them being able to make people behave with decency and civility. Or to protect you when they turn on you for calling the “cops” on them.
I do not envy you all but I do not think the City can fix all that is wrong by any means.
I sure wish you all luck.
Kristen,
I do not have a clue this so called person Jay is!!!….Jay certainly does not have to be his real name…..The only Jay I can recall that has been in my house was Jay Warren doing an interview….I think?….And this person could just say they have been in my house trying to seem crediable….He obviusly thinks I spend all my time calling code….We have a Southeast Action Forum who has a couple of members and neighborhood watch members that shame me with their number of calls….As a result, many blame me because somone called code on them….I mean, I know someone who turned in 30 code violation in one week…I can’t even take credit for one a month…..Gosh, guess I’m falling down on the job.
Got to close out the above….with patting myself on the back for having as someone said, having to much time on my hands and need to get a life..My life has been since moving into the neighborhood making it better, after much time and abuse….We now have one of the more nicer streets in S.E. As I told a Roanoke Socialite who stopped by today and commented on what a nice area it was….I told her….Well….I now realize I live in the “South Roanoke” of Southeast…I say this to encourage anyone having problems on their block or Street, pester the city to death…if that doesn work, call me and I’ll do it for you…
And we all owe a debt of gratitude to people like Dan that will take a community issue that started with two pictures…..And give us the venue to discuss back and forth our experiences, pro and con. I think we all profit and learn from each other….even through the negative, there is always something one can walk away with.
Sorry Dan I made several final post and they are not here…might have come up on one of your other topics…..Feel free to delete them if you see where they wound up.
Hay dan,
I think the newspaper could give the neighborhood some more attention.
Hey, I know! Maybe the newspaper could start asking the lib-democrat council members individually and before and after Council meetings just what they ARE doing for the SE neighborhood.
You’ve (the RTs) got photographers. You’ve got reporters. You’ve got biased as hell opinion writers. Surely, pressure could be applied…you know, “the squeeky wheel gets attention, ya know?
Or, you can just follow along on the vein of Sandi, and say, “well, that’s just the way it is….”, which is what the approach seems to be anyhow.
Or, your Editors can get tough when elections come around. Oops, City Council is all lib-democrats…so THAT would make things interesting, eh? You know, there’s that ol’ “birds of a feather thingy” hangin’ out there, isn’t there!
#61 And why, pray tell, Frank, would they do that and not ask about Northwest, Northeast, sections of Southwest, and, yes, even parts of South?
Wow, it’s just so easy to point out the stupidity in most of Frank’s comments.
well, gdad, since Duane’s note, used by ol’ dano to lead off this thread, is on SE, that’s why.
And, I’d be happy for the RTs to expand their focus of neglected areas to include even more regions which Roanoke City neglects, and I’m happy for you to be the one whose list gets used.
Sheesh, gdad…stupidity? Nah. I’m with you.
Hey, I know! The RTs should investigate why the Roanoke City Council, led by lib-democrats for decades and decades, have neglected, in addition to SE(and folks, the following areas come right out of ol’ gdad’s little finger-tips, such as they are), “Northwest, Northeast, sections of southwest, and yes, even parts of South.”
Hey, gdad, according to you, “MOST parts of Roanoke City, ah, hmmm, pretty much suck”, and the RTS just continues to carry the water for the lib-democrat run City Council.
Thank you for your valuble input.