Hunting cows with microscopes on the Monday OPEN thread
Madurai, India | Photo by Adam Jones adamjones.freeservers.com | Wikimedia Commons
“Today you will be able to traverse the streets of Salem with a microscope and not find a cow or any animal that claims intimate relationship with the bovine family.”
Looking Back, The Roanoke Times, Jan. 28, 2013
January 28, 2013 - 10:44 AM
I used to be able to open carry my cow into Kroger before the nanny state took over because some dang bed-wetting liberal had a…..fit.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/27/iran-sentences-american-pastor-saeed-abedini-to-8-years-in-prison/
“We are Americans, we take care of one another” – Obama
Except when we might offend the muslims.
Gee, go to a fundamentalist Muslim country as a Christian evangelist and things don’t work out? Amazing, pp. who would have expected it.
oh another invention from the world’s friendly and pacifist islamists
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/28/iranian-officials-purportedly-unveil-machine-to-amputate-fingers-thieves/
You carried the cow and groceries, Henry? Impressive. Or did the cow ride piggyback, leaving your hands free?
Nah, Henry, you can still carry your cow, but you might have to explain to the cops every now and then.
“oh another invention from the world’s friendly and pacifist islamists…”
pammala, you could go over there and try to change their laws. Good luck.
“Although the U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with Iran, National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan said in a statement Sunday the administration is “deeply disappointed that Saeed Abedini has been sentenced to eight years in prison in Iran on a charge related to his religious beliefs.
“We condemn Iran’s continued violation of the universal right of freedom of religion and we call on the Iranian authorities to release Mr. Abedini.”
Meehan added that the State Department remains in close contact with Abedini.
The State Department also called for Abedini’s release.”
What else would you suggest, pp? We already have serious embargoes. Should we invade over this?
Seriously, pp, tell us your solutions. We’re waiting.
Debbie @ 12:25 pm
I don’t know, Debbie.
It seems as if I must have gotten stronger in my old age.
Why, when I was a teenage bagboy at the local grocery store I carried groceries to a lot of folks’ cars. There is no way I could have carried $100 worth of groceries in my arms, back then.
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“Although the U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with Iran, National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan said in a statement Sunday the administration is “deeply disappointed that Saeed Abedini has been sentenced to eight years in prison in Iran on a charge related to his religious beliefs.
“We condemn Iran’s continued violation of the universal right of freedom of religion and we call on the Iranian authorities to release Mr. Abedini.”
Meehan added that the State Department remains in close contact with Abedini.
The State Department also called for Abedini’s release.”
FROM GDAD: What else would you suggest, pp? We already have serious embargoes. Should we invade over this?
PP, I don’t believe you believe we should invade over this. Do you believe we should retaliate by locking up Iranian Muslims in the United States, and thereby make ourselves out to be as bad as Iran is being in this case?
Maybe the media could make a big deal out of this like they did the Shah.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/so_what_if_abortion_ends_life/
“I believe that life starts at conception. And it’s never stopped me from being pro-choice”
By Mary Elizabeth Williams
Finally! Truth from the “Pro-choice” crowd. Here is a quote from the above article.
“Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always.
When we on the pro-choice side get cagey around the life question, it makes us illogically contradictory. I have friends who have referred to their abortions in terms of “scraping out a bunch of cells” and then a few years later were exultant over the pregnancies that they unhesitatingly described in terms of “the baby” and “this kid.” I know women who have been relieved at their abortions and grieved over their miscarriages. Why can’t we agree that how they felt about their pregnancies was vastly different, but that it’s pretty silly to pretend that what was growing inside of them wasn’t the same? Fetuses aren’t selective like that. They don’t qualify as human life only if they’re intended to be born.”
Dan,
Knowing you interest in FoI, you might enjoy this case:
http://tinyurl.com/bcogy83
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Supreme Court Report
Supreme Court weighs whether Virginia can deny public records to noncitizens
Posted Feb 1, 2013 3:20 AM CST
By David L. Hudson Jr.
SNIP
Constitutional law expert Erwin Chemerinsky says the case “should turn on whether there is any justification for discriminating against out-of-state citizens with regard to public records. But to get to that question the court has to find either that access to public records is a ‘privilege and immunity’ within Article IV or a restriction on commerce within the meaning of the dormant commerce clause. Each is a difficult proposition,” says Chemerinsky, dean of the University of California at Irvine School of Law.
With respect to privileges and immunities, Chemerinsky says, “almost all of the cases have involved earning a livelihood, though the court has said that fundamental rights are protected from discrimination. But does access to government records fit within this?”
One precedent may be Toomer v. Witsell, a 1948 case in which the Supreme Court invalidated a South Carolina law requiring in-state commercial fishermen to pay $25 for each shrimp boat, while out-of-state commercial fishermen had to pay $2,500 for each shrimp boat. “One harm of the Virginia law is that it gives a competitive advantage to people in the state over those out of state,” says Washington, D.C., attorney Deepak Gupta, who represents McBurney and Hurlbert and will argue the case.
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#3 “Gee, go to a fundamentalist Muslim country as a Christian evangelist and things don’t work out? Amazing, pp. who would have expected it.”
Just like Kristen, defend a country where women have no rights, hands are chopped for stealing, and you are in jail for 8 years for having a bible study in your house 13 years ago.
Basic human rights Kristen…human rights. Put yourself in a woman’s shoes living in Tehran. To you that is normal??? Wow.
Dan, of course a military strike is ridiculous. But boy we really BUSTED OUR TAIL to get those “Hikers” out of there who were held for a year or so. I bet this guy will do all of his time, probably without any help or pressure from our State dept.
Question is…why?? Because he is a ______________.
You fill in the blank.
“We are Americans, we take care of one another” – Obama
Does that include taking care of the most helpless and innocent members of our society Mr. President?
http://www.180movie.com
pistol pete, those hikers were Christians, too. Why did we bust our tails for them?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/missile-launcher-gun-buyback_n_2567825.html
“Seattle police are tracking down the history of a nonfunctional missile launcher that showed up at a weapons buyback program.”
PP, in no way could my post be construed as a defense of Iran. Their record on human rights is terrible. But the pastor knew the risks of what he was doing and presumably thought his message was important enough to merit taking those risks.
“Seattle police are tracking down the history of a nonfunctional missile launcher that showed up at a weapons buyback program.”
Sounds like an “arm” to me. You mean we’re not entitled to keep and bear them?
Will R, I can appreciate that you believe you are qualified to play Solomon. I am not. It is a woman’s right to choose what happens to a fetus in her womb. It is the law of this land and a reality in every land. It has always been and it will always be. Just as you work to remove that right, I work to maintain it. Obviously you choose to see only the side of the fetus, I choose to see the side of the life already here, capable of reproduction and unable to separate the two when there is a conflict except by her right to an abortion.
Taking away a woman’s right to choose is not about life, it is about control. You have no right to have control over any other human being on such a personal level IMO. Not even for something as precious and valuable as a potential human life. Our wars, child abuse statistics, poverty statistics and general inhumanity begs a question of whether we even deserve to pretend we value life.
I don’t know, Dan. I object to the implied criminalization of a law abiding former missile launcher owner.
Bill Maher’s response to the NRA calling Obama a hypocrite because his daughters’ have armed guards:
“Yes, the President gets armed security and you don’t. He also gets his own plane and you don’t.
Why should the Obamas get armed security? Are their lives any more valuable than ours?
Yes. He’s the president.”
DUH. I can’t believe that one needed explanation.
Adoption needs to be a priority in this country. My friend who has 4 children already and lives off one income just adopted 3 more. I have been praying about it.
purposeful Death is being carried out with an abortion. We are putting people in jail for killing a woman AND her unborn child. However, it is OK for a Mom to do it herself.
This country is on a huge upswing in adopting newborns! Most of the foster care children are not newborns. Rick Warren’s Church members have had over 500 adoptions in the past few months.
870,000 were studied and it showed that women who have an abortion are at an 81 percent increased risk for mental health problems, including anxiety disorders, depression, drug abuse and suicidal behaviors. http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/
3% of abortions are done in the cases of Rape, Incest, or if the Mother’s Life is in danger.
97% of the cases… the CHOICE is made to take a life for convenience.
Your use of the word ‘Fetus is typical’. It takes any feeling out of saying the words ‘human being’.
Right to choose is much easier to say than “right to kill an unborn child”
Our culture despises children. Not only do we kill them in the womb, We think people that have more than 2 or 3 are crazy. Who would want more than 2 or 3? I should ask my great grandmother who had 13 kids, lived until she was 94, and did that living in a 800 sq foot house. Happiest woman I ever met.
The worst time for someone who has had an abortion, is the “due date”, or what should have been their child’s birthday. The birthday that never happened because of the mother’s decision.
This country and Christians in this country need to step up and begin adopting babies. Maybe then could we curb these convenience killings that we call ‘choice’.
Will this pass?
Who will object?
http://tinyurl.com/b9p497a
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Virginia Senate panel backs repeal of cohabitation law
RICHMOND, Va. (AP)—
The thousands of unmarried Virginia couples who are living together would no long be breaking the law under legislation advanced by a Senate committee.
The Courts of Justice Committee on Monday unanimously advanced Sen. Adam Ebbin’s bill repealing Virginia’s 136-year-old law against what the state calls “lewd and lascivious cohabitation.”
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Sandi – So you agree with Ms Williams that it is a life? There lies the rub.
You justify the so called right to destroy, and I quote, “a potential human life”. I say there is no such thing as a potential human life. It is either a life or it is not.
And BTW – I am not qualified to play Solomon. Are you qualified to play God by calling one of His creations “a potential human life”?
Paslm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
“Does that include taking care of the most helpless and innocent members of our society Mr. President?”
Not if it’s going to cost this Catholic hospital any money, it doesn’t.
http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1863013
Will R, the reason Mary Elizabeth Williams’ remarks aren’t hard for me to accept is because the most basic fact of life is that right from conception life is always an ongoing equation, one in which cellular replication (aka life) outpaces cellular failure to replicate (aka death) until it no longer can.
Life is a biological ratio, because death is underway throughout our lives, and anything else is an illusion.
This is why those who fixate on abortion while avoiding issues like the death penalty, the right of those with a terminal prognosis to determine their exit, and regulation of instruments of lethal violence are letting their single issue obsession reduce their credibility.
But tell us Will R, when do you think death begins in humans?
“Who will object?”
Bob Marshall.
And suzie.
You’ve got to appreciate people like Will R. All about protecting the unborn but as soon as their tiny little feet hit the floor it’s “every man for himself!” Hypocrites.
This essay solidified my position as pro-choice. To quote from the article:
Abortion is a highly personal decision that many women are sure they’ll never have to think about until they’re suddenly faced with an unexpected pregnancy. But this can happen to anyone, including women who are strongly anti-choice. So what does an anti-choice woman do when she experiences an unwanted pregnancy herself? Often, she will grin and bear it, so to speak, but frequently, she opts for the solution she would deny to other women — abortion.
In the spring of 2000, I collected the following anecdotes directly from abortion doctors and other clinic staff in North America, Australia, and Europe. The stories are presented in the providers’ own words, with minor editing for grammar, clarity, and brevity.
http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
Also, it never fails to amaze me how many pro-lifers are against government assistance and subsidies for single women with children, citing the trite (and incorrect) “welfare queen” argument. Truth be told, the same reasoning applied in the above article can be used with any form of government assistance: “I deserve this because I know I need it–you don’t deserve this because I don’t think you need it.”
Sometimes, protestations win:
http://tinyurl.com/bctkch6
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Pride group: Chick-fil-A doesn’t fund most divisive groups
By Chris Boyette, CNN
updated 5:08 PM EST, Mon January 28, 2013
(CNN) — Chick-fil-A restaurants’ philanthropic WinShape Foundation no longer funds the most controversial and politically charged anti-same-sex-marriage groups and has not since 2011, according to Campus Pride, a leading national LGBT campus organization.
Campus Pride issued a statement Monday claiming that Chick-fil-A gave the organization’s executive director, Shane Windmeyer, access to WinShape’s 2011 “990″ tax documents.
He said they show that the nearly $6 million in outside grant funding “focuses on youth, education, marriage enrichment and local communities” and that in the list of the foundation’s beneficiaries, “the most divisive, anti-LGBT groups are no longer listed.” Among those groups were the Family Research Council, Eagle Forum and Exodus International.
Windmeyer acknowledged that WinShape continues to fund groups that don’t condone same-sex marriage based on biblical beliefs but says these groups, such as the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, don’t operate with the same hard-nosed political agenda the other groups are known for.
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Good job, folk.
Pistol Pete @23 commented, “81 percent increased risk for mental health problems, including anxiety disorders, depression, drug abuse and suicidal behaviors”
Let’s stop with the myth building about a correlation between mental illness and terminating a pregnancy. Much like the lie generated by the anti-choice groups about an increase in breast cancer
THERE. IS. NO. CORRELATION…
Your weak link to an anti choice website only proves you are not interested in a factual or realistic discussion but rather in the world of misinformation and twisted “science”.
For an actual study on this subject, go to this longitudinal study:
As reported in the New England Journal of Medicine, Danish scientists studied 365,550 teenagers and women in the country who had an abortion or first-time delivery between 1995 and 2007. By tracking their mental-health counseling both before and after abortion or delivery, researchers were able to assess the psychological impact of each choice. They found that only about 15 per 1,000 women needed psychiatric counseling within a year after an abortion–similar to the rate seeking help nine months before having an abortion.
What does cause psychological distress, though, is childbirth: While only 4 in 1,000 women who would later give birth sought counseling in the year prior to delivery, after giving birth to a child that rate rose to about 7 per 1,000.
None of the women included in the study had a history of psychiatric problems that required hospitalization.”
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0905882
Warren: simple..
Conception=LIFE
Heart Stops=DEATH
Pirengle: If a woman is working and just can’t cut it, government assistance is great. If the woman sends her kids off to school and collects a check…thats fraud.
By the way, I love the term “Anti-Choice” it waters down the reality of “Pro-Killing of the unborn”
I wonder what increased risk for mental illness and depression comes with parenthood. Life is rough.
I was watching C-Span2 today on the Hurricane Sandy Relief funding offset vote which GOPPER Senator Lee of Utah put forth to cut the budget by the amount of Hurricane relief funds. ($50.5 bil)
Marco Rubio of Fla voted for this cost offset.
Anybody else think this will be an election issue in 2016?
Any state gain more from Hurricane relief than Florida?
I hope the GOP nominates this hypocrite.
PP @33 “By the way, I love the term “Anti-Choice” it waters down the reality of “Pro-Killing of the unborn”
When the christian right and right wingers are as fervent about the living children as they are about the unborn – then and only then should they be referred to as “pro life”…
When the christian right and right wingers are as fervent about protecting living children as they are about the unborn, – then and only then should they be referred to as “pro life”…
When the christian right and right wingers are as dedicated to providing for living children existing in poverty – then and only then should they be referred to as “pro life”…
The ANTI-choice individuals and groups seek to ensure that women lose their constitutional and human rights as a result of their pregnancy; Their right to make their own informed decisions about what’s right for themselves, their family, and their futures. Simply put, it isn’t anyone’s business but the woman’s .
PP, I bet you liked that bill in New Mexico that, as originally drafted, would have made it a felony for a rape victim to have an abortion, under the theory that it was evidence tampering.
BTW after Bobby Gindel chastises the GOP for being the party of stupid, Hermain Cain comes out and says long lines in black districts is a result of “successful GOTV efforts by the democrats.”
I guess that means he would prefer less minority votes?
Sounds stupid to me.
I am not really interested in what you think of any POV I have. A fetus is a potential life until it is born alive. Many things can and do still go wrong during any pregnancy, even for those who desperately want the fetus to progress to their baby. Miscarriage and even death at birth still happen through no fault of anyone. There is also the reality of severe health and mental disability, genetic disorders and other traumatic events that can affect a decision about a pregnancy. It is not your place to insert your judgement, religion or sanctimonious opinion into any woman’s reproductive choice. Nothing you say can change my mind on that.
I have repeatedly admitted that a fetus is “life”, but it is always potential life. That is merely the reality of the process.
Pistol Pete: Pirengle: If a woman is working and just can’t cut it (emphasis mine), government assistance is great. If the woman sends her kids off to school and collects a check…thats fraud.
So what constitutes “just can’t cut it”? Unless you have a strong family (church, etc.) support network, it’s very difficult to have a career and kids. I knew a night-shift NICU nurse and single mother of two (10 and 4, I believe) who had a calendar detailing how the kids would get to their respective schools, who would pick them up for afterschool activities and/or general babysitting, what housework would get done when, daytime emergency planning, etc. This lady was sunk without her family to help her out.
Or, if you don’t have a rock-solid reliable support network, you can always get a show-up-and-get-paid type of job and cross your fingers you won’t lose it if one of your kids gets sick and you need to take him/her to the doctor.
From what I understand, children must be enrolled in school (or have homeschooling whatevers to show nontraditional education) until the age of 18. So the whole “send kids off to school and collect a check” thing isn’t the shaming behavior you think it is if the kids are legally obligated to attend school. She probably needs that check to keep her children in food and clothes.
The unborn is a fetus. It is a human being with rights when the Constitution says it is a human being: upon birth, whether that birth is prevented as by intervention, accident, or Grace is irrelevant unless it is illegal. The Constitution does not say at conception, at 20 weeks, at 30 weeks, it says “person born”, “natural born”. Are you doubting the wisdom of the Founding Fathers? Are you attacking the Constitution?
Some people may argue that life begins at conception but that is a tenuous proposition that can easily be undone. Whether by an act of God, an accident, or the choice of an abortion, that “possibility of life” can be extinguished before it is ever viable and even after it is viable, so the simplistic view, while it may satisfy those who claim “pro-life” as a hair shirt, does nothing to make it an ironclad thesis, much less an indisputable fact. You cannot grant rights to a fetus that conflict with those of the woman without reclassifying the womb as “society’s incubator” and it clearly is not. If the embryo was in some sterile lab (as it may well be someday) and it was created specifically for the purpose of gaining a full term, live birth human being, you might have an argument.
Ask a woman who has had multiple miscarriages how tenuous a pregnancy is. Ask a woman who cannot get pregnant how tenuous an embryo is. I am not the one dealing in gray area, you are the one trying to color white black and the only logic in that is to cover the ignorance of it. Hocus-Pocus is a very good, yet too kind description of your brand of “logic”.
If we concentrate on access to prevention and free services for all then we can definitely lessen the need and the number of abortions which is a very worthy goal. Free sterilization for anyone over 18, free birth control, (condoms, the pill, etc), comprehensive education on human sexuality, STD’s and sexual activity consequences, all are excellent and helpful ideas. Adoption also needs to be more open and attainable for more decent loving parents who want children. As we have mentioned before, there are avenues to be discovered and paths to walk together but people have to want to lower abortions not just play the blame game. I KNOW my side is more than ready, willing and able to meet this challenge.
I accept the abortion law as it is now. First trimester = upon request (even with the state’s added burdens), Second trimester = upon request and with a valid reason (which I do not consider onerous or wrong), Third trimester = upon serious medical reasons alone. I do not believe ANY abortion at this stage is for mere “convenience” or ease of the mother. If you carry a fetus 6 months and then decide you do not “want it”, there needs to be a medical reason for the abortion (profound disability or inability to care for the needs), or you have the child and give it up. It cannot come to simply agreeing a woman can destroy a viable life for her convenience; that is a bridge too far for even pro-choice folks like me.
Conception=LIFE, Heart Stops=DEATH
comment by pistol pete
So, pp, you think after Dick Cheney was given an artificial heart pump in 2010, he was dead? Or when he was on a heart/lung machine while the operation proceeded? The heart that was his in the womb had stopped, after all.
Or do you support “personhood” for artificial life such as robots?
sandi thinks that because the Constitution states a person with rights is when they are born, sandi dear, that does not mean that the fetus is not human but so what you dont care for babies at a;; if you support murder=abortion..you like murder you killer sicko clown..I suppose sandi thinks fetuses are parrots, dogs, elephants or another dem…
Pirengle: If a woman is working and just can’t cut it, government assistance is great. If the woman sends her kids off to school and collects a check…thats fraud.”
You are monumentally clueless, pp.
Warren, do you believe that we are on the Earth, or do you believe that we are actually living in a speck of dust on someone else’s earth like in Dr. Seuss’s Horton hears a who? What if we are actually just living in a time warp, and President Obama is actually from the future and has come back to save the U.S. from an invasion of Martians?
This is what your argument sounds like.
Here is your Fetus blob of nothing… 9 weeks, moving around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfgq7WiHbh4
The ANTI-choice groups and individuals do not believe in the “will of the people” evidently as they wish to impose their limited view on what a woman should or should not do with her own body.
“According to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, seven in 10 Americans believe Roe v Wade should remain law. This is the highest level of support for reproductive justice since polls began tracking the public’s views on abortion in 1989. Almost seven in 10 respondents say there are at least some circumstances in which they don’t support abortion.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323301104578255831504582200.html
I’m sure this has been covered on Dan’s blog recently, but just as a reminder…in at least some cases (or is that lawsuits?) Catholics do not consider a fetus to be a person prior to birth:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/colorado-fetus-lawsuit/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=0
it doesnt matter what the catholics think, a fetus is a child, it is not anything else..it has a heart, fingernails and feel pain very very early on…so go ahead and be a murderer..
a human fetus will not magically turn out to be a frog or horse, or kitten, it is a human and there is nothing you can do about it except to change it to what you think will make you feel better about murdering the child.
“it doesnt matter what the catholics think,…”
Aw, does this mean suzie and pammala are breaking up?
“I’m sure this has been covered on Dan’s blog recently, but just as a reminder…in at least some cases (or is that lawsuits?) Catholics do not consider a fetus to be a person prior to birth:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/colorado-fetus-lawsuit/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=0
Comment by Say What? — January 29, 2013 @ 12:10 pm”
Say What?, I’ve brought this subject up several times on the blog, but our own greatest Catholic in the world, ‘suzie’ refuses to comment about it.
If legal abortion before 20 weeks is murder because an embryo/fetus is a ‘person’, does that mean miscarriages at 20 weeks or less are just fetal suicide?
pammala, you are truly pathetic. I did not say that “sandi thinks that because the Constitution states a person with rights is when they are born”, I also did not say “that the fetus is not human”. I said that is when “life” is considered to happen in the Constitution. That is all there is. You can read into it as you like or claim I have, but you are wrong as usual.
It is the folks like you who do not support access to prevention and free services for all which would lessen the need and the number of abortions, free sterilization for anyone over 18, free birth control, (condoms, the pill, etc), comprehensive education on human sexuality, STD’s and sexual activity consequences, as well as adoption, then it is YOU who does not “care for babies at a;;” Are you a “killer sicko clown” for not doing all you can to make abortion the last resort?
As a matter of fact, I think they do call all animals in utero a fetus. Even Dems.
pistol pete, let the record reflect that YOU called the fetus a “blob of nothing”, not us. Can a 9 week fetus survive outside the womb? Does every 9 week fetus not aborted make it to delivery alive?
I hope pp and the rest are giving proper funerals to their wives feminine hygiene products. You never know.
Sandi :”pistol pete, let the record reflect that YOU called the fetus a “blob of nothing”, not us. Can a 9 week fetus survive outside the womb? Does every 9 week fetus not aborted make it to delivery alive?”
Nice argument. So, since I might not make it to work tomorrow because I might get smashed by a semi..i should just kill myself. Makes sense.
9 week UNBORN BABIES don’t have a “CHOICE” to decide if it could make it to full term. The Mom’s “CHOICE” denies any “CHOICE” of the baby.
WOMENS’ RIGHTS = UNBORN WOMEN’S RIGHTS
Hillary:When the christian right and right wingers are as fervent about the living children as they are about the unborn – then and only then should they be referred to as “pro life”…
When the christian right and right wingers are as fervent about protecting living children as they are about the unborn, – then and only then should they be referred to as “pro life”…
When the christian right and right wingers are as dedicated to providing for living children existing in poverty – then and only then should they be referred to as “pro life”…”
Hillary, tell me what religion has the most food banks, homeless shelters, etc.? Roa Rescue Mission, etc. Your argument is null.
Comment by pistol pete — January 29, 2013 @ 2:09 pm
“Hillary, tell me what religion has the most food banks, homeless shelters, etc.? Roa Rescue Mission, etc. Your argument is null.”
Actually the one organization that funds child poverty and education programs globally, including the studies of children needs, is the
non- denominational organization called the United Nations Children’s Fund.
They neither selectively decide which children are “worthy” by religious affiliation, they do not hand out bibles and preach “the one way to heaven”, and they do not proselytize in exchange for food .
A few facts from their research:
Number of children in the world: 2.2 billion.
Number of children living in developing countries: 1.9 billion.
Number of children living in poverty: 1 billion – every second child.
The latest edition of UNICEF’s report on child poverty in developed countries found that 30 million children in 35 of the world’s richest countries live in poverty. Among those countries, the United States RANKS SECOND on the scale of what economists call “relative child poverty” — Only Romania ranks higher, with 25.5 percent of its children living in poverty, compared with 23.1 percent in the U.S.
So don’t go patting you and your christian brethren on the back…with all the money collected by “christian” churches throughout the world, they don’t seem to have made a dent in childhood poverty…too busy buying and handing out bibles instead of food.