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Was reading some news this morning and ran across this deplorable story about some disrespectful gun rights supporters just being down right disgusting… I could not imagine standing beside someone heckling anyone in this situation, and I stand there and do nothing. This is what the Pro-gun folks have reduced themselves to… Sad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/neil-heslin-father-of-newtown-victim-heckled_n_2572503.html
Dan,
Check out what I found while browsing the racks at my favorite record store:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BByclPzCIAAS_nE.jpg:large
I agree Justin True, it’s sad. Is there no such thing as respect for others anymore?
Good lord, you should see the homophobic right-wing heads exploding (so to speak) at places like Free Republic over the BSA announcement that they might let local troops decide on their own about admitting gays. There’s some language and imagery that one particular poster here might find fascinating but the rest of you might find a little rough.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2982729/posts
Did you buy it Scott?
I agree Justin, that is despicable behavior and it does NOTHING to advance gun rights, self defense or human decency.
But this is like Ann Coulter said liberals do. They go find victims, insert them in a political discussion and say “If you disagree with this victim, you are a bad person”. They did it with Cindy Sheehan. They do it with children. They’r doing it with Newtown.
A hundred bucks says this father didn’t come up with idea to frame and enlarged picture of himself and his son, then go up to Hartford to testify. This was a staged event designed to evoke the kind of response it got so as to evoke sympathy from the naive public. Thanks for playing your role, Cold.
evoke sympathy from the naive public.
Cue Debbie and Sandi. Response predicted and noted. The left banks on people just like these two.
“I agree Justin True, it’s sad. Is there no such thing as respect for others anymore?
Comment by Debbie — January 29, 2013 @ 11:44 am”
ask yourself that when aborting a child all you libbie coms
“ask yourself that when aborting a child all you libbie coms”
Gosh, I’ve never done an abortion. How about the rest of you?
“A hundred bucks says this father didn’t come up with idea to frame and enlarged picture of himself and his son, then go up to Hartford to testify.”
Most likely this is a picture he already had framed in his home and it was probably displayed at the child’s funeral or visitation. And whether it was his “idea” to testify matters not (it probably WAS his idea). Nobody stood behind him with a club forcing him.
You are so clueless, suzie.
real funny gdad, what a comic, .shows how you dont value life
Gdad, someone needs to tell the freepers how the free market works. Money talks and money is on the side of equal rights and against hate. Yay for the free market!
I’d be surprised that our prized wing nuts are hating on the parents whose children got painted all over their classroom, but it’s not surprising.
Oh pammala, come off it, it would shock us all if you actually valued anything.
Suzie, at least you can rest assured you folks never have any “staged event designed to evoke the kind of response” you want…oh wait!
Hypocrisy is certainly bipartisan. The GOTP “banks on people just like” you and pammala too. And you never disappoint.
Re: #1:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2127135475001/reporter-confronts-bloomberg-on-gun-control/?playlist_id=938973798001
As many of you know New York City has some of the strictest gun laws
in the country.
Funny how Shorty Bloomburg feels the need for five armed guards
but feels his constitutes do not need to protect themselves
“shows how you dont value life…”
I did that simply by making fun of yet another illiterate doltish post from you, pammala?
hi folks,
Regarding the immigration debate, does anyone have a problem with the following suggestion:
The new legislation would enable illegals to stay in this country legally and enjoy all benefits of citizenship except having the right to vote… and will apply to all folks who are in the U.S. illegally now (let’s pick either the day on which the bill is introduced, or, the day on which the bill becomes law).
Full voting rights would kick in after 25 years.
Does that work for most of us?
I find it very interesting that ‘suzie’ won’t comment on the lawsuit involving St. Thomas More Catholic Hospital and its use of secular law, which says fetuses are NOT people, to defend itself against Jeremy Stodghill.
I did not. I purchased “Grace” by Jeff Buckley and the 1971 Lenny Kaye “Nuggets” compilation 2-LP set (Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era 1965-1968). I went looking for something totally different (Charles Bradley, Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, and Naomi Shelton & The Gospel Queens) but they were completely out.
Next week!
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/steve-krofts-softball-obama-interviews-diminish-60-minutes/272611/
scott,
That Root Boy Slim album is his first release, and it’s a GREAT record!
Besides ‘Boogie ‘Til You Puke” and “You Broke My Mood Ring” it’s got “I Used to Be a Radical (Pissed on the Pentagon),” “Too Sick to Reggae,” “Country Love” “My Wig Fell Off” and “I’m Not Too Old For You.”
ALL of those are fantastic tunes.
“12.real funny gdad, what a comic, .shows how you dont value life”
pammalala, you abort the language daily. What on earth is a comma, space, space, period, lowercase word?
scott, there’s still a record store near you, one that doesn’t just stock mall dreck? You’ve got it good my friend.
Plan 9?
An interesting take on the organic/sustainable food movement:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/we-raise-all-our-beef-humanely-on-open-pasture-and,30983/
scott@25
I prefer to think the animals are raised in a gentle way and invited to dinner.
Did everybody see the story in the RT the other day about the Catholic priest in Connecticut who, after being caught having gay sex in the church, was later arrested for selling large quantities of methamphetamine?
You might ask, what makes that any worse than Ted Haggard? Well, the priest laundered the money he made selling meth by investing in a XXX adult bookstore.
What do you call a priest who has gay sex, sells meth in quantity and owns a porn shop, anyway?
Unless you’re going to be a vegetarian, the animal you eat has to die at some point. You can care how the animal lives up until then or not care, but that onion link doesn’t say anything about the sustainable food movement.
Ex-priest, Warren.
The story I read (which, frankly, read like a subplot for “Breaking Bad”) said he took in $300k selling meth. That’s no rinky-dinky one-pot-in-the-diet-Coke-bottle stuff.
Warren, I guess the whole poverty and chastity thing didn’t work for him. Points for entrepreneurship.
One would not believe what goes on behind those walls in a monastrary, oh boy.
Warren,
Did your story have a point? I mean, we know human beings sometimes do bad things, regardless of the organization.
Warren, to the point about him being an ex-priest, I should have added:
Use and sell meth and the church will kick you out quickly. If you sexually abuse a kid, though, they’ve got your back.
Hmmm…. a quick google of said incident with the meth dealer priest reveals this quote”
“We became aware that he was acting out sexually – with men – in the church rectory”
Does anyone happen no know the etymology of the word rectory?
Suzie, your particular problem is that human beings sometimes do bad things, with the complicity of the organization.
Suzie, and pammala,
I full well understand that some folks will stage and try to squeeze sympathy from the public, look at both Bushs. All I was trying to point out to you conservative, gun toting, religio-nutters, is that they are asserting that we liberals are trying to infringe on their second amendment right, when these inconsiderate a$$-clowns starting yelping like a bunch of 3rd graders! Where is this man’s 1st amendment!?
Suzie, you of all people should have noticed that… you find communism everywhere except where it is obvious. This man lost a great deal in his life and just wanted to say his peace and some selfish, redneck started hopping about his own constitutional rights while raping someone else’s?
Both of you need to kick rocks to the middle east.
If you kick out all of the child abusers from the churches, you would lose half of your staff in most places. You no longer have pastors that will confront sin (because they are doing it too) so there is no real control. It is now about making money to keep the leadership rich and fat.
“scott, there’s still a record store near you, one that doesn’t just stock mall dreck? You’ve got it good my friend.”
We actually have 3 Decent record stores, AND a Plan 9. Plan 9′s selection is a little weak though. The one I go to, Melody Supreme, only stocks vinyl. no CDs. He takes care of his supply too. I have some old first print records that are in Near Mint condition.
I find the tactile experience with music, opening the sleeves, looking at the artwork, maintaining the turntable… really helps me concentrate and appreciate the music more.
Dan, next time I’m down there, I’ll give that Root Boy Slim a listen.
#37 You said that right fat and rich. This one monastery I lived in had an outdoor nice big pool. We also had a walk in bar full of all kinds of stuff. Many of us did not feel right living there with all that. The Caps.O.F.M. takes a vow of poverty and I think boy I wish I could have that kind of poverty now. I would be yes, fat and rich.
Man, someone should have done a background check on these two before they stole those guns…
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/319635
“I still can’t see why any civilian, anybody in this room in fact, needs weapons of that sort. You’re not going to use them for hunting, even for home protection,”-Neil Heslin
It is interesting that the folks in that crowd didn’t just answer his question. Interrupting him and calling out second amendment rights was somewhat tasteless but for those of you who really want to know; the answer to his question is.
The AR that may have been used at Sandy Hook is a GREAT hunting rifle. For women it allows them to carry and hunt with a rifle that does not take the strength of a man. I know that there are some women who can carry a concrete sack with a linebacker on them but most can’t. For young hunters it is a great rifle because you can shorten the stock and create a lightweight, soft recoil weapon necessary for fatigue reduction and accuracy. This rifle is not simply a killing machine. It is a weapon used to fill a void where the average rifle cannot go. True hunters and educated gun enthusiasts know this information. If not for this type of firearm many women and children would not learn to shoot accurately until they were weight lifters or well into adolescence.
Using it for home protection would depend on what you are protecting. I guess if I were defending my homestead from a gang of folks that are outside. Maybe. But my own philosophy is don’t shoot at someone until you absolutely must. For me that would be in my house at close range protecting only my wife and kids. You can have my stuff. For that give me a good ol’ fashioned handgun. Easy to maneuver with and accurate if trained properly on. It also allows me to escape if possible while still being armed.
All guns are safe. All guns have a purpose. That purpose is not to simply kill people.
All people are to some degree unsafe. All people have some type of agenda. That agenda for most people is not to simply kill other people.
Let’s take a closer look at what type of unsafe behavior a person exhibits and prevent people with specific unsafe habits or issues from acquiring a safe firearm.
It never ceases to amaze me that, when some (otherwise intelligent) folks find one “supposed” Christian; breaking man’s and God’s law; they jump on the entirety of Christianity.
This is truly a disgusting practice.
When a muslim father kills his daughter for dating a non muslim, I hear no outrage from this group.
No comments on the rapes in India?
How about judging all atheists for pol pot’s actions?
Is there some sick satisfaction gained, by some, in disparaging Christianity? or is there such fear of this religion, that it must be criticized at all costs?
pammala, I have never had an abortion, and I would never presume to tell anyone what decisions they should make regarding their own body.
billhudson, sounds more like a bachelor pad than a monastery.
Well sure NU Scott, because that is sure working well for us now.
It never ceases to amaze me that, when some (otherwise intelligent) folks find one “supposed” Christian; breaking man’s and God’s law; and they note that, that some not-so-intelligent people accuse the otherwise intelligent folks of jumping on the entirety of Christianity.
This is truly a disgusting practice.
Ahhh, a blurb from Dan Casey’s original stomping-grounds, and old news beat in Maryland:
Tuesday – 1/29/2013, 4:15pm ET
By BRIAN WITTE
Associated Press
ANNAPOLIS, Md. – A judge has found Anne Arundel county Executive John Leopold guilty of misconduct in office for using his security detail for political activity.
Leopold was charged with using his security detail for personal and political purposes. Prosecutors also accused him of abusing his power by forcing a county employee to empty his urine from a catheter drainage bag.
Leopold’s lawyers had contended the allegations by the state prosecutor’s office were too vague and did not constitute crimes.
Leopold, a 69-year-old Republican in his second term as county executive, faced three charges of misconduct in office. He also faced a charge of misusing county money for personal benefit.
(Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)
http://www.wtop.com/46/2770678/Md-Co-executive-trial-goes-to-judge-to-decide
Suzie, your particular problem is that human beings sometimes do bad things, with the complicity of the organization.
The game you’re trying to play is to say the “organization” i.e. the Catholic Church as founded by Jesus Christ, is evil because a few bishops may have ill-advisedly given some gay priests another chance at redemption. And I’m telling you, Hillary, Dan and others that the bad actions of a few imperfect mortals have no bearing on the message of Jesus’ church.
It never ceases to amaze me that, when some (otherwise intelligent) folks find one “supposed” Christian; breaking man’s and God’s law; they jump on the entirety of Christianity.
This is truly a disgusting practice.
When a muslim father kills his daughter for dating a non muslim, I hear no outrage from this group.
No comments on the rapes in India?
How about judging all atheists for pol pot’s actions?
Is there some sick satisfaction gained, by some, in disparaging Christianity? or is there such fear of this religion, that it must be criticized at all costs?
Very well said, Mike O. But we do know one of the key goals of communism is to silence organized religion, specifically the Catholic Church.
Mpammala, I have never had an abortion, and I would never presume to tell anyone what decisions they should make regarding their own body.
What if a man said “I have never raped anyone, and I would never presume to tell another man what decisions they should make regarding their own body”?
Bang! This is how you shoot down the ridiculous hypocritical oft-repeated justification of abortion for otherpeople.
Emptying urine from a catheter bag = political activity? LOL
Leopold’s security detail also apparently drove Leopold to rendevous with paramours at in the parking lot of Annapolis Mall, which is a darn busy place.
The sad part of his legal problems is that it may have contributed to the fatal heart attack of Leopold’s chief of staff, Dennis Callahan, who was former mayor of Annapolis and pretty darn good public servant. Dennis, R.I.P.
“I wish I did have a solution, but I just don’t.”- Sandi Saunders December 15, 2012 “Fighting Horror” A Blog Entry on Guns and Gun Statistics.
Then gracefully leave the conversation and let people who really want to work on the real problem talk about it.
Abortion’s legal. Rape isn’t. Hope that clears things up.
NU SCOTT…please tell me what you think the “real problem” is. I’ll assume it’s not dead children and bereaved parents, and I’m quite certain it’s not the NRA and gun activism in general. So what is it?
Another case of Standing one’s ground I guess.
http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/29/georgia-man-shoots-and-kills-young-latino-who-accidentally-pulled-into-his-driveway-police-say/
Suzie, unlike you, I am not playing any “game”. I do say the Catholic Church is evil and removed from Jesus teaching in literal and palpable ways. Few of which have anything to do with their arrogant immoral hubris of protecting pedophiles to keep their coffers fed and their followers in line.
Only a simple mind could ever believe that the massive fraud and abuse was “a few bishops” that simply “ill-advisedly” covered up the abuse of children.
Just as you and pammala cannot get over the “murder” of a fetus, I will not get over the choice to give some pedophiles “another chance at redemption” while ignoring their victims, for purely self-serving reasons having NOTHING to do with serving Jesus.
You cannot tell us that the bad actions of an entire organization as huge and tightly run as the Catholic Church has “no bearing on the message of Jesus’ church”. The failures have piled up like cord wood and so have the victims. The entire world knows.
“What do you call a priest who has gay sex, sells meth in quantity and owns a porn shop, anyway?”
A multi-tasker.
Mike Scott @2:29, at the risk of possibly taking your question more seriously than you intended, it’s from the 4th principal part of the Latin verb “regere,” meaning to rule (rego, regere, rexi, rectus/-a/-um). Why yes, I’ve done a little Latin in my time, but I’m getting better. /Eddie Izzard
Well Suzie..
“The game you’re trying to play is to say the “organization” i.e. the Catholic Church as founded by Jesus Christ, is evil because a few bishops may have ill-advisedly given some gay priests another chance at redemption.”
This is a game you play very well indeed. You do every time you invoke the atheism/Stalin or athiesm/Pol Plot link. Probably about to do it again too. I did not include Hitler because it’s clear he belongs to Christianity. (Cue the vehement denial in face of incontrovertible evidence of this association.)
For the record, this particular non believer puts the drug problem squarely on the priest. The sex problem isn’t a legal one, but he did promise not to have sex when he got the job so that’s on him too. It’s only a problem for church if they knew he was dealing and didn’t pass it on to the authorities.
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Who knew?
NU SCOTT, can you point to “the rule” that says you must have a solution to be part of any discussion? I seem to have missed that…as have you.
mike o
All those things you mention are nasty, nasty things people do because their culture or religion allow it. They are outrageous and barbaric. I’m glad our culture views it so.
Dan… re: 4:57..
Really???
The best retort you have is a childish “you are but what am I”…LMAO…
I expected a little more clever response.
Thousands of dollars of schooling well spent…lol
Sandi that is the whole point of having a discussion. Each person talks out the problem and what their solution to that problem would be. I actually gave you my opinion on what the solution should be in my first post.
Back away gracefully and stop playing the fool. You have no real solution to guns and the mainstream people who own and use them.
“True hunters and educated gun enthusiasts know this information. If not for this type of firearm many women and children would not learn to shoot accurately until they were weight lifters or well into adolescence.”
Baloney!
Mike Scott, re: “Jesus founded the Catholic Church…”
Jesus enables us to live.
The only “church” is the church of true believers, it is a never ending walk and stumbling, but the goal is complete.
Suzie @ 5;31 pm Your analogy is not valid by any measure. It’s horse manure.
Kristen, re: “abortion..rape”
Actually “abortion” is only “legal” to a certain point in our “culture”… but “rape” is accepted in other “cultures” (as is chopping heads off, female mutilation and other sick practices); all of which I have heard no question here..
One simple question for you… would you feel better living in the “culture” that rape, etc… was “acceptable”?
It’s easy for some to live in a quiet bubble, ignorant to that which we might abhor; as we place ourselves above the realities of the true world.
Sadly, as we drink our “starbucks” lattes, there is true and evil situations going on in the world; which another double cappuccino will not rid.
How do you believe, in these situations, you “fight” the abuse?..
It never ceases to amaze me that, when some (otherwise intelligent) folks find one “supposed” Christian; breaking man’s and God’s law; they jump on the entirety of Christianity.
This is truly a disgusting practice.
When a muslim father kills his daughter for dating a non muslim, I hear no outrage from this group.
No comments on the rapes in India?
How about judging all atheists for pol pot’s actions?
Comment by mike o — January 29, 2013 @ 4:41 pm
mike o, why didn’t you include the actions of the Roman Catholic Church in your list of atrocities? Do you believe that knowingly harboring priests who molested children is not as atrocious as the atrocoties you listed?
Mike o, the atrocities you list are inexcusable, without question. It has nothing really to do with religion and everything to do with human behavior. People do awful things to other people – period.
We can always count on mikeO to jump into any conversation involving rape. The last time, he was imagining the rape of my daughter. Jeesh.
Watch out…. the Martial Law signs are printed so hang on. That’s according to the latest crazy email circulating… again. The conspiracy theory colony thrives on impending doom and deep dark government evil. Snopes calls BS on this one. Our favorite part…. it came from a doctor so it has to be real!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/martialsigns.asp
NU SCOTT, the only person “playing the fool” is the one who believes they have a “solution”, IMO. You, most assuredly have offered none. I have even read of gun shops that quit selling the AR-15 type weapons because of the carnage they were seeing in their communities. And that was not recently either.
Here’s something you’re not likely to see on Fox News.
Mikeo, I was referring to OUR culture, and responding to Suzie’s ridiculous analogy.
With Kerry’s confirmation, the Republicans have proven they can all get behind something if they want to. Especially if there’s a Senate seat up for grabs. Hagel, now that’s another story.
Sandi the only gun shops that do not sale ar-15 type rifles are the ones who can’t get them. I read once that the Democrats rigged the Presidential election. That was a statement believed by Republicans who just couldn’t accept that their candidate lost.
Just give it a rest; you have no sensible thought pattern on AR style or any other firearm in general.
Here is the honest truth and I say it with all due respect, really.
If you were put in a tactical situation you would be slapped down by your superiors for not having a solution to the problem you are spouting off about. They call it “whining” in the real world. While you are re-hashing the problem with no focus on a solution the enemy is listening to you talk while pinpointing your location. No one in a real critical situation would want you on their team.
Comment by mike o — January 29, 2013 @ 7:00 pm
“It’s easy for some to live in a quiet bubble, ignorant to that which we might abhor; as we place ourselves above the realities of the true world.”
I am glad you are so self aware and reflective to recognize how you live in a “quiet bubble”. Have you ever comforted a rape victim? Have you ever comforted a beaten woman? Could you ever live in their “realities”? Your arrogance once again is demonstrated by your audacity to lecture women on these issues .
Either grow a vagina – or be quiet on issues you will never personally experience. I won’t instruct you on your “manhood” if you will stop your incessant lecturing women about rape and abuse.
#44 As hard as this is to be believed some use to say it was a glorified bachelor’ s life. At a certain point I began to ask myself, why am I here. If we went to Radio City we did not stand in line. I got in trouble because I did not want the Italian imported furniture in my cell.
Re: Mike Scott @ 2:29 pm
Well done Laura @ 6:13 pm
However, to get from “rector” to “Rectory” we have from French rectorie Originally “benefice held by a rector”
Are you a fan of the Online Etymology Dictionary too, Dave Hicks? It’s the next best thing to the OED itself, when you haven’t got the spare change for a subscription and there isn’t a copy of the print version in your local library.
Re: Bill Perdue @ 6:32 pm
Add to that the temporal proximity of such declarations and the announcement opening of combat assignments to women.
Which is it? Can women handle one of the lighter tool of combat or not?
If yes, they can handle a true M4 http://tinyurl.com/byok8wb or Infantry Automatic Rifle http://tinyurl.com/amgsqy4 equipped with accessories http://tinyurl.com/ajujual , then surely they can handle this http://tinyurl.com/b4vbqcc
Re: the plush rectory:
I thought it was a compromise.
When Roman Catholic clergy were upset about protestant clergy having better halves the church allowed then to have better quarters — as a half measure.
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Re: Laura @ 9:01 pm
Yup.
I have long been intrigued by etymology — that and the chicken v. egg of how culture and language shape each other.
Dave Hicks@9:14
Yep,I looked it up too, but the association my middle school mind conceived wasn’t there.
Here is the honest truth and I say it with all due respect, really.
If you were put in a tactical situation you would be slapped down by your superiors for not having a solution to the problem you are spouting off about. They call it “whining” in the real world. While you are re-hashing the problem with no focus on a solution the enemy is listening to you talk while pinpointing your location. No one in a real critical situation would want you on their team.
Comment by NU SCOTT — January 29, 2013 @ 8:14 pm
NU SCOTT, the everyday world in which this debate about assault weapons is taking place is not a tactical situation with the enemy listening in to pinpoint your position.
Warren:
“What do you call a priest who has gay sex, sells meth in quantity and owns a porn shop, anyway?”
A priest.
Did anyone see this: http://tinyurl.com/b2a96pc
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Jan 29, 12:09 PM EST
Report: States force jobless to pay needless fees
By DANIEL WAGNER
AP Business Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) — Jobless Americans are paying millions in unnecessary fees to collect unemployment benefits because of state policies encouraging them to get the money through bank-issued payment cards, according to a new report from a consumer group.
People are using the fee-heavy cards instead of getting their payments deposited directly to their bank accounts. That’s because states issue bank cards automatically, require complicated paperwork or phone calls to set up direct deposit and fail to explain the card fees, according to a report issued Tuesday by the National Consumer Law Center, a nonprofit group that seeks to protect low-income Americans from unfair financial-services products. An early copy of the report was obtained by The Associated Press.
SNIP
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@56 Eddie Izzard is sooo frickin’ funny. If you can take a few minutes please watch Eddie on religion, Science, the bible and Atheism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5KvGS_wT_4
Seems to fit the discussion on today’s blog quite nicely I think.
Dave Hicks at 9:25 p.m. That is unfortunate. I suspect that the banks issuing the cards are reaping a nice profit.
Speaking of words, check out this: http://tinyurl.com/bdq6oqy
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Science in Ten Hundred Words: The `Up-Goer Five’ challenge.
By Chris Rowan | Scientific American – Sun, Jan 27, 2013
A central question of communicating science to a wider audience often boils down to this: can you take a complex scientific topic and explain it in a way that someone unfamiliar with the field can understand? The commonly-cited techniques for meeting this challenge, such as cutting out jargon and using relatable analogies, sound easy in principle but are often quite tough in practice.
SNIP
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“The only “church” is the church of true believers, it is a never ending walk and stumbling, but the goal is complete.”
Well that sure clears things up.
NU Scott, being so desperate for insults that you create fantasies really detracts from the impact. Just sayin’.
There might be someone on earth who could “shut me up”, it just does not happen to be you.
Enjoy the effort though.
“Either grow a vagina – or be quiet on issues you will never personally experience. I won’t instruct you on your “manhood” if you will stop your incessant lecturing women about rape and abuse.”
Beauty.
Re: my last:
For an example see: http://xkcd.com/1133/
John Wilburn, LOL. (But for the sake of accuracy, he’s an ex-priest).
Another case of Standing one’s ground I guess.
http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/29/georgia-man-shoots-and-kills-young-latino-who-accidentally-pulled-into-his-driveway-police-say/
Comment by Ron May — January 29, 2013 @ 5:59 pm
I fear, Ron, that this will get worse before it gets better. Emboldened by possession of a gun, this man made a tragic error in judgment that resulted in the death of an innocent young man.
The voice of reason: http://tinyurl.com/bjzzo4d
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Sandy Hook hearing reveals sharp divide on gun control
By David Ariosto, CNN
updated 8:09 PM EST, Tue January 29, 2013
(CNN) — His voice wavering, Mark Mattioli wiped away tears as he recalled the day his 6-year-old son died when a man wielding an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle broke into Sandy Hook Elementary School and began shooting.
His son, James, was among the 20 children and seven adults killed by Adam Lanza on December 14 in Newtown, Connecticut — an event so horrific that it has since spawned a federal task force and kick-started a national conversation about gun control.
But unlike the handful of other parents who testified Monday at the emotionally charged hearing in Hartford, Connecticut, Mattioli said there are more than enough gun laws on the books. He called instead for a closer look at mental health policies.
“I don’t care if you named it ‘James’ law,’ I don’t want (another law),” he said during the first of a series of meetings set up by a legislative task force assigned to review the state’s gun laws.
“I think there’s much more promise for a solution in identifying, researching and creating solutions along the lines of mental health.”
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When a muslim father kills his daughter for dating a non muslim, I hear no outrage from this group.
No comments on the rapes in India?
How about judging all atheists for pol pot’s actions?
Is there some sick satisfaction gained, by some, in disparaging Christianity? or is there such fear of this religion, that it must be criticized at all costs?
Comment by mike o — January 29, 2013 @ 4:41 pm
mike o, first off let me say that as an Atheist I could care less how you judge me or anyone else from my worldview. You can compare me to someone who lived outside of my lifetime and did not state an Atheistic ideology for his reasons for committing his atrocities. Most likely the only comparison that you have against an Atheist to Pol Pot would be his communism… but you are in luck, Suzie, has you covered on every turn on that one.
As far as Muslims murdering anyone for any religious reason is to easy to attack. Its a given really that most fundamental Muslims take their fanaticism a little far when it comes to their superstition. Their instances of having absolutely no morals and no compassion are fairly easy to point out and attack from our intellectual prospective… right? Are we done with this one? Why beat a dead horse? Is there a mosque every one-hundred yards here in Virginia? No. Moving along.
Atheists don’t single Christians out. Christians single Christians out. We really don’t need to! Christians single each other out and mess with each other because Christianity has thousands and thousands of different variations. Your own people can’t even figure out what you believe and how you should believe it. Then you want to take your faith that no single group of Christians can understand and dictate to me and other secularists and folks of other religious beliefs, how OUR laws should govern OUR society, and how those laws should play out because of your superstition… Like I have said before, I do NOT need your religion to be moral. Morality is a product of our society’s evolution. If our morality was innate and given to us by your god and governed by your translation of your religious book, we would all be stoning each other for carrying sticks on a SATURDAY– you know… the Sabbath you are supposed to keep holy.
As far as pointing out Indians for rapes… last time I checked your people couldn’t stop raping people either so stop being a hypocrite! From deacons to boy scout leaders to priests to preachers to the dirty old man that sits in the back row… So what I am saying is, as soon as the folks over in India start raping each other because one of their holy books tell them to, and they bring that crap over here to my country and try to shove that insane BS in mine and my family’s face… you may have an argument. Until then… you know what to do, and its not calling the ghost busters.
Jeez, is mikeO STILL on his rape groove?
mike o, the only sick and disparaging thing is that you think that you can go through your life spreading your religion around like it is a force for good. You think you can hold that polished turd in the air and say, “Wow! look at this beautiful thing I have”… then someone like me comes along and says, “No… that is a turd with Febreeze and aluminium foil on it, and why does Adam and Eve have a bellybutton if they were the first man and woman?” You get pissed and tell me to shut up… you try to censor me and my fellow citizens for thinking differently than you. You censoring others who think differently and voicing that opinion is sad, pathetic, and just outright pitiful. Who is acting like Pol Pot? Your attitude is disparaging, Mr. mike o.
ohn Wilburn, LOL. (But for the sake of accuracy, he’s an ex-priest).
Comment by Dan Casey — January 29, 2013 @ 9:46 pm
John Wilburn, I guess what, Dan, is insinuating is perhaps you should ask Warren how long he has been sober… LOL! Good one! I am stealing that one!
“I fear, Ron, that this will get worse before it gets better. Emboldened by possession of a gun, this man made a tragic error in judgment that resulted in the death of an innocent young man.”
–Comment by Jason Perdue
It already is getting worse, Jason. Trayvon Martin was just an innocent young man, minding his own business, happily walking through a place he had every right to be, when he was accosted by a vigilante emboldened by his firearm, who “knew” Martin was guilty of something. Now Martin’s dead, too.
But hey, guns are a great “equalizer”. Anyone can kill anyone with one, size and strength don’t matter.
Comment by Dan at 10:12 p.m. And the statistics about reductions in gun deaths thrown around on this blog are cold comfort to the families of these young victims.
Dave Hicks before you comment on a subject it would help if you knew all the facts… The ar at sandy hook was not used in the attack it was found in the trunk of the car of the shooter found at hte scene. The ar found at the theater out west jammed after 1 round and all the damage was done with pistols, as was the damage at Sandy Hook. Also at Va Tech the worst mass shooting in US history: The carnage was caused by handguns and handguns only… The guns at Sandy hook were legal guns registered to the sickos mother that he stole from her once he killed her. If you want to call for something then call for our system to be revamped so that all law enforcement agencies can communicate with each other so the medical industry can open up and warn law enfocement about whackos. Work toward a system in which stat police checks will include mental evaluations of people that have failed mental checks. Lets quit giving these people buys and clasifying them politically correctly. They are whackos lets call them whackos. A person that gets behind the wheel of a car drunk and does it time after time is a whacko and i dont here you liberals calling for cars to be outlawed. I could go on and on lets have a public debate i will shoot down every ilconceived idea you have about guns and back it up with facts,facts and more facts. It is my constitutional rite to own and keep and bear arms. Im not trying to take away your rite to own a weapon. and your car is a devastating weapon if you choose to use it that way… If you drive your car into a crowd and kill many people is it your cars fault. PLEASE answer my question and back up your answer with real proven facts…. Again you need to know the facts before you comment on something… Typical liberal CRAP
Justin True and Dan, I know a guy who owns a store that sells porn, pipes, intimate devices, and the like. I was chatting with him at a gun show last year about business. He said it is so funny the broad cross-section of society that comes into his shop. He once sold something to a woman that she said she would be embarred for her pastor to know she had bought. He said he could barely contain his laughter until the door closed behind her, turning to an employee and said “Her pastor was just in here an hour ago!”. His shop is in a garden variety hypocritical bible-belt community that has been trying to shut him down for years. If only those same people knew how many of their own were actually keeping him in business.
A follow-up case, which we might follow, on an issue we talked about last year
http://tinyurl.com/am9yd9b
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Jan 29, 9:29 PM EST
Christian school’s lawsuit may test court ruling
By LINDA DEUTSCH
AP Special Correspondent
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A lawsuit by a Southern California Christian school against two former teachers who refused to provide proof of their faith could pose one of the first court tests of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on religious freedom.
A legal expert said last year’s ruling that religious workers can’t sue for job discrimination never specified whether that includes teachers at religious schools.
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James A. Sonne, director of the Religious Liberty Clinic and a lecturer in law at Stanford University Law School, noted that the dispute comes just a year after the high court’s ruling in the case of the Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School of Redford, Mich., which holds that religious workers can’t sue for job discrimination.
The court refused to specify in that ruling what constituted a religious worker, leaving teachers uncertain of their status under the law.
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Dave Hicks — January 29, 2013 @ 9:53 pm #94, did anyone heckle Mark Mattioli for expressing his opinion?
Robert, you need to check your facts about Sandy Hook. An AR-15 was used in it.
“By LINDA DEUTSCH
AP Special Correspondent
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A lawsuit by a Southern California Christian school against two former teachers who refused to provide proof of their faith could pose one of the first court tests of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on religious freedom.”
–Posted by Dave Hicks
I love Linda Deutsch stories. She’s one of the best AP correspondents of my lifetime. But “who refused to provide proof of their faith?”
How the hell do you do THAT?
Roberts just spewing the remodeled Birthers new line.
Robert? He did not steal the guns “once he’d killed her”. He shot her WITH one of them so pretty clearly he was in possession of them BEFORE SHE DIED. And he didn’t “steal” anything. They were lawfully in his residence. Get your on facts straight.
NU SCOTT — January 29, 2013 @ 8:14 pm #73, stick as sock in it, I do not make things up like you right wingers do.
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-01-21/news/mn-881_1_military-assault-weapons
“The head of one of the largest gun stores in Orange County announced Friday that he will stop selling military assault weapons like the AK-47 rifle that was used to kill five elementary school pupils in Stockton.
Randy Garell, president of The Grant Boys store in Costa Mesa, said retail gun dealers must “wake up and face facts.”
“It’s about time someone takes a stand,” said Garell, who also sells camping and outdoor gear. “The handwriting is on the wall that these types of weapons have little true purpose.”
Oddly enough this was after a school shooting in Stockton California in 1989.
But you can tell Suzie about that right wing fantasy “believed by Republicans who just couldn’t accept that their candidate lost”.
Gotta love the clueless Robert taking Dave Hicks to task on gun control! It would only have been funnier if he had chosen John Wilburn or Jack!
Goodnight John-boy!
Re: Robert @ 10:43 pm
LOL.
What comment of mine are you referring to? The article @ 9:53 pm proposing “there’s much more promise for a solution in identifying, researching and creating solutions along the lines of mental health” and opposing more prohibition and unreasonable restrictions on firearms.
You don’t list a thing that I haven’t read.
Some, of which, I discount as being questionable accuracy.
Some, of which, I believe are irrelevant to the current discussion.
Some, of which, have been beat to death on this blog and I do not want to waste effort reviving them — as I know minds are set in concrete.
If you think I am one of “you liberals”, you might want to check out some of the last few years of my comment fighting against firearm prohibition unreasonable restrictions fighting for the RKBA.
FWIIW, there is a Casey quote that I like, “…sort of like the people who repeat foolish slogans like “guns kill” – as though guns sprout little feet when no one is looking and run around shooting people all by themselves.” — D, Casey, financial columnist
Re: Dan Casey @ 11:17 pm
I assume that you don’t read my links — and I snip them to conform with the fair-use doctrine.
However, here is another snippet,
“Calvary Chapel of Thousand Oaks purchased Little Oaks School in 2009, and leaders told employees last year that they would need to provide a statement of faith and a reference from a pastor to renew their contracts.”
““Calvary Chapel of Thousand Oaks purchased Little Oaks School in 2009, and leaders told employees last year that they would need to provide a statement of faith and a reference from a pastor to renew their contracts.”
–Posted by Dave Hicks
I don’t read all your links, Dave. But that explanation hardly solves the problem here. I have faith in the notion that faith is a damn hard thing to prove — there’s my statement of faith. As for the reference, John Wilburn apparently has heard of a pastor that will probably hand’em out at the dildo store, quickly and furtively, so he can beat a hasty retreat before anyone else recognizes him.
Re: Sandi Saunders @ 11:08 pm
Beats me.
I don’t play on emotions and I try to avoid irrelevant side-issues. Ad Hominem attacks (introducing irrelevant personal premisses about an opponent is a red herrings intended to distract the opponent or the audience from the topic of the debate); nor do I use Guilt-by-Association attacks (the attempt to discredit an idea based upon disfavored people or groups associated with it); nor do I like other semantic tricks to forestall opposition in debate of the issues.
I could go on and on
Robert@10:43
Please don’t. It’s actually painful to watch an apparently grown man embarrass himself so openly in a public forum.
Dan Casey @ 11:50 pm
Don’t I remember you having commented that you are / were an ordained or licensed clergyman?
Maybe you can set up shop to hand them out.
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John Wilburn, that’s hilarious! I have noticed its far more easier just putting yourself out there and just be you. I am not saying that the old lady walk down the street juggling dildos while singing Fat Bottom Girls, although that would be funny, we shouldn’t do that. Some things should be kept private as possible. But I refuse to be embarrassed or hide anything about myself. Well except that I am Susie and Franks bastard son that was raised by a Wiccan and an Abortion Clinic doc… but its ok, I had a great child hood stacking bottles of lube and supporting my parents porn addiction selling tickets to Girls Gone Wild on tour. I would rather go through my life as a knowingly moral man, than a fake one.
Check out: http://tinyurl.com/bb4swe7
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Senators, guns sharing center stage at hearing
By GINGER GIBSON and JOHN BRESNAHAN | 1/29/13 11:35 PM EST
Gun control will take center stage on Wednesday at what is expected to be an incendiary hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
But witnesses like Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, won’t necessarily be the only source of sparks. The 18 members of the panel are some of the most partisan, staunchly divided lawmakers in the Senate on the key issues facing them: gun control and immigration.
The panel features dyed-in-the-wool liberals like Democratic Sens. Dianne Feinstein of California and Chuck Schumer of New York — both of whom are pushing an assault weapons ban — and red meat conservatives like Republican Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn of Texas and Jeff Sessions of Alabama.
So even with the country clamoring for compromise, the lines in the committee have already been mostly drawn in the sand.
The committee not only includes some of the most senior and partisan members of the Senate, but the potential fault lines are numerous: GOP versus Democrat; rural versus urban; Northeast and West Coast liberal Democrats versus the South and Western conservative Republican; with a touch of intraparty splits thrown in for good measure.
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Abortion’s legal. Rape isn’t. Hope that clears things up.
Cue Moronic Argument #2.
Umm. We know abortion is legal. The whole reason for the debate is we don’t think it should be.
“Abortion should be legal because it’s legal.”
I get so tired of debating Hallmark Channel groupies.
Indeed I am, with the Universal Life Church. I had forgotten about that. I believe my ordination certificate is still on the newsroom wall somewhere.
Please address me as Rev. Dan!
Senate Republican’s walk of shame on Hurricane Sandy relief. Hypocrites.
In your feverish pursuit to infringe on the 2nd Amendment, it looks like government officials are now taking liberties to trample on your 4th Amendment rights now too.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038872_NYPD_naked_body_scanners_gun_control.html
This is why people like me fight so hard to protect ALL of our constitutional rights. But I guess you’ll say “the founding fathers didn’t have thermal imaging naked x-rays in the 1700s, so the 4th Amendment doesn’t apply to this.”
It’s like I’ve been trying to tell you (with some creative liberties taken from a quote by Martin Niemoller regarding Nazi Germany):
First they came for my right to bear arms, and I didn’t speak up because I had no arms.
Then they came for my right to unlawful search and seizure, and I didn’t speak up because I had nothing to hide.
Then they came for my right to religion, and I didn’t speak up because I didn’t have a religion.
Then they came for my right to free speech, and I wasn’t allowed to speak.
Nice bit of media spin earlier today. Here’s the part of the story the liberal media left out.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/29/Media-Lies-About-Sandy-Hook-Victim-Being-Heckled
If you look at the full, unedited tape (which was first obtained by Twitchy), you’ll see that after 15 minutes of the audience remaining respectfully silent as Mr. Heslin spoke out against assault weapons, he then turns to ask the audience a direct question:
I ask if there’s anybody in this room that can give me one reason or challenge this question … why anybody in this room needs to have one of these assault-style weapons or military weapons or high-capacity clips.
Mr. Heslin then pauses waiting for someone in the audience to answer. His question is respectfully asked but no one says a word.
Then Mr. Heslin says:
Not one person can answer that question.
And it’s only then that a few people do answer the question, and do so respectfully.
The full, unedited video proves the media is lying. This is not heckling, this is someone respectfully asking a question and receiving a respectful answer.
Justin True:
“I am not saying that the old lady walk down the street juggling dildos while singing Fat Bottom Girls, although that would be funny, we shouldn’t do that.”
ROFL. I can juggle; if you can carry a tune….
Whenever we meet, remind me to tell you the other, more interesting story he told me. He knows a pioneer in the sex toy business who built his business from the ground up into a multi-million dollar success.
Indeed I am, with the Universal Life Church. I had forgotten about that. I believe my ordination certificate is still on the newsroom wall somewhere.
Please address me as Rev. Dan!
Comment by Dan Casey — January 30, 2013 @ 1:00 am
Dan! We have something in common… well sort of. I am an Ordained Minister with The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! I have the authority to wed folks here in Virginia. So for all of my Atheist and non-theist friends out there in TV land that would like to be wed by someone without a religious tone, let me know!
http://www.venganza.org/2011/05/certificates-of-ordination/
Rev Dan…I like it
Rev. Dan, perhaps we should fix you up with some ministerial tax benefits to go with that certificate. Parsonage allowance, tax free contributions to your ministry, business deductions.
already is getting worse, Jason. Trayvon Martin was just an innocent young man, minding his own business, happily walking through a place he had every right to be, when he was accosted by a vigilante emboldened by his firearm, who “knew” Martin was guilty of something. Now Martin’s dead, too.
That vigilante beat himself senseless and broke his own nose before he accosting the little boy, Trayvon. Crazy, I tell you.
Rev. Dan, perhaps we should fix you up with some ministerial tax benefits to go with that certificate.
Yeah. Richard can do the job for you. He’s got some free time coming up.
please remove my last comment. Thanks.
Dan@120
So now the next step is to go down to the courthouse and register your pastoral credentials with the locality so you can legally perform marriages. One of my band members took his newly minted Universal Church certificate down to Roanoke City and the clerk told him, “we don’t recognize that church”. No problem, Roanoke County thought it was a fine church and hooked him right up. Book the preacher, and get a band. We get invited to a lot of parties that way.
I your case, you can go even further. Since you passed your concealed carry quiz, you could do the marriage and offer security. It’s a marketable two fer. Marriage vows and glock protection.
It turns out Justin’s True’s article wasn’t true. News sources are pulling the stories as fast as they can. The Democrat media wants so desperately for the story to be true that they didn’t verify it before they posted it. Heslin asked a question and someone gave a response. MSNBC edited the video to get their desired story.
http://twitchy.com/2013/01/29/outrageous-how-the-left-wing-media-lied-about-newtown-hecklers/
Democrat media: Oh please be true. Please, please, please.
FAIL!
Suzie, we are heartily sorry for having taxed you so, we are even sorrier that you claim your version of posting is actually debate. Please feel free to go your own way and leave us all alone with our “Hallmark Channel” selves. We will be fine without you. We promise.
Let me try again to explain this whole debate thingy to you. When something is the law of the land, it is up to those who want to change that to convince the rest of us and our legislative representatives (or the Supreme Court) why that should be changed. Roe v Wade was 40 years ago and if you believe you can overturn it, go for it.
Just as we are trying to change the law of the land on these military styled assault rifles and large magazines, the burden is on those who want the change, not those who do not. You can argue from either side, but do not mistake the fact that something is the law of the land with being merely a technicality. It is not. It makes any change harder. Not impossible, just harder.
Abortion should stay legal because it is legal and it is supported.
John Wilburn, I am willing to give it a shot if you are! LOL! And I am sure we will have much to talk and laugh about.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — January 30, 2013 @ 9:28 am
Hell yes! Couldn’t have ever said it better myself!
“Rev. Dan, perhaps we should fix you up with some ministerial tax benefits to go with that certificate. Parsonage allowance, tax free contributions to your ministry, business deductions.”
–Commnet by Richard Beason
“I your case, you can go even further. Since you passed your concealed carry quiz, you could do the marriage and offer security. It’s a marketable two fer. Marriage vows and glock protection.”
–Comment by Mike Scott
You guys are giving me ideas. I reckon I could incorporate a church, Our Lady of the the Peyote Pistol, and declare our chief sacramental rites to be gun sales and going gaga on mescaline.
If I understand the laws correctly, that would mean not only could I write off lots of stuff, but I could sell hallucinogens and handguns unfettered by taxes, background checks, etc.
The staunchly nonreligious John Wilburn might become my first convert!
@136
If you throw in snake handling, I’m in.
Comment by Henry — January 30, 2013 @ 8:32 am
Transcript–
I ask if there’s anybody in this room that can give me one reason or challenge this question: Why anybody in this room needs to have an, one of these assault-style weapons or military weapons or high-capacity clips…..Not one person can answer that question.”
Crowd/Alleged Hecklers: “Second Amendment shall not be infringed”
Public official: “Please no comments while Mr. Heslin is speaking. Or we’ll clear the room. Mr. Heslin, please continue.”
So… where is the question mark in his STATEMENT, Henry?<— That squiggly thingy implies someone is asking a question and is requesting a response. NO where in this transcript is he asking the gun nuts behind him anything. He is giving a testimony, not debating with the audience. It was a hypothetical question within his statement to make a point… but I am sure you already knew that.
Conservative jumping the gun(pun intended)- "take that liberal commies with your facts and evidence!"
“please remove my last comment. Thanks.”
Doesn’t work that way, suzie. As Dan has told me when I’ve asked him to remove or not post a comment of mine.
#128 You mean that vigilante bent on saving the community form a Skittles-carrying teen. The watch “leader” who ignored the advice of the dispatcher and ended up killing the guy?
Right Henry, the moderator merely said, “Please, please, no comments while people are speaking, or we will clear the room” for the fun of quashing a Q&A! Wow, the desperation is palpable, and sad.
So, “twitchy.com” wasn’t breaking the big story?
It turns out Justin’s True’s article wasn’t true. News sources are pulling the stories as fast as they can. The Democrat media wants so desperately for the story to be true that they didn’t verify it before they posted it. Heslin asked a question and someone gave a response. MSNBC edited the video to get their desired story.
Good get, Henry. Yes, one of the big goals of communists is to confiscate all firearms. So it’s logical the CPUSA-MSM would create a lie like this heckling story and peddle it.
Abortion should stay legal because it is legal and it is supported.
Abortion is an evil far worse than slavery. It should be abolished because it is immoral.
The man speaks for 15 minutes with stone silence in the room. Then poses a question, a “challenge” to anyone in the room and there is still silence. Then he uses that silence to draw a conclusion. Then his question is answered. That’s not heckling. Watch the video.
Semi-automatic weapons are legal, therefore they should remain legal.
They’ve been legal for over 100 years ( far longer than abortion) if time of legality is your yardstick.
Lets propose not banning abortion, but having reasonable abortion control. You have to have a background check and apply for a permit. Then, you can have ONE if certain circumstances apply ( health, rape, etc). Then you have to register as an abortion haver to ensure you only have one. I mean, nobody NEEDS to have all those abortions. Anyone can make a mistake, but time after time? I guess you want access to unfettered uncontrolled murder with no limits. And you call us nuts.
If the gunners want to score points on bereaved parents, have at it.
Symbols, the “challenge” was to the panel, whom he clearly looks to, not the audience. You know it, I know it, the media knows it. It was not a Q&A or a pep rally.
Precisely Symbols, because guns are legal and Constitutionally guaranteed, we are working on legal ways to regulate them, not ban them altogether. That is how it works in a civilized society of laws.
There are already “reasonable” as well as unreasonable controls on abortion, with more coming down the pike. That is not a hill to die on for either side.
Semi-automatic weapons are legal, therefore they should remain legal.
They’ve been legal for over 100 years ( far longer than abortion) if time of legality is your yardstick.
Lets propose not banning abortion, but having reasonable abortion control. You have to have a background check and apply for a permit. Then, you can have ONE if certain circumstances apply ( health, rape, etc). Then you have to register as an abortion haver to ensure you only have one. I mean, nobody NEEDS to have all those abortions. Anyone can make a mistake, but time after time? I guess you want access to unfettered uncontrolled murder with no limits. And you call us nuts.
Good one, (o\ ! /o)
The irrationality and hypocrisy of the pro-death movement needs to be thrown back at them.
@148. Watch the video starting at the 15 minute point. He asks the question and challenge and them looks around and behind him. Keep watching. He says “they have a right to their opinion…”
Dan,
I have noticed that when you have no intelligent response, you quickly resort to offensive and untrue insults… is that a tactic of avoidance?
It is sad that atheists like justin get so irate at Christians who ask questions. I guess their “live and let live” or “first do no harm” mantra is not a closely held conviction.
136 – Recv Dan – sounds like a great place to attend. Leave Mike’s snakes out though.
mikeO,
I have noticed that recently you asked me to imagine a scenario in which you suggested my daughter might be raped and murdered. That’s sick.
Symbols, are you whining that all semi-automatic weapons are being considered for a ban or do you just like to mislead and confuse the issue?
Seriously Mike O, you have no place calling anyone else’s post “no intelligent response”, or “offensive and untrue insults” IMO. Your veiled insults and sophistry is pretty well known.
I consider the audience answering rhetorical questions during a hearing to be “heckling”. You call it what you want.
He was much more respectful of them than they were of him IMO.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/50644034#50644034
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It’s called Incrementalism Sandi. First you say ban “Assault Rifles” when realistically they are just semi-auto rifles of a mid-caliber nature with non-functional appearance features that you think make them somehow deadlier. Then tack on limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds (arbitrary number).
This is really a back door assault on pistol magazine capacity since ALL rifles make up less than 1% of all gun related crime. Most modern pistols have standard magazines up to 15 rounds.
As we have seen in New York, the next incremental push is a new arbitrary magazine limit of 7 rounds, which has nothing to do with rifles or military-ish appearance. This in effect makes 95% of the semi-auto pistols illegal.
With as many public declarations by the extreme left wing liberal representatives that have confessed their desire is to ban all semi-auto firearms and eventually all firearms, you can’t deny that this is simply an incremental means to that end.
This is the never ending battle. Slick Willie tried to warn his party members. Regardless of his lack of judgement, he’s not stupid. He is very intelligent. This extreme anti-gun push for the stars has ignited a passion in many people who have otherwise supported and voted to the left because the 2A has politically been a non-issue in the recent past. That has now changed. All this did was push them from slightly left of center to well right of it. 51% wasn’t a landslide.
It is sad that atheists like justin get so irate at Christians who ask questions. I guess their “live and let live” or “first do no harm” mantra is not a closely held conviction.
Comment by mike o — January 30, 2013 @ 4:45 pm
That is the truest thing you have ever said, mike o. You are right, I do “live and let live”. Then you came along and started spitting your ignorant short-man-attitude crap trying to twist things around on others with different views and opinions other than yourself. You insult others and their ideals to make yourself feel better because you have absolutely no thoughts of your own.
I welcome your ideas and your opinions, and I never feel irate or even a little mad. Matter of fact, most of the regurgitated crap you put on this blog is so funny it makes my dookie sparkle! I would never in my natural life say some of the crazy, ignorant, xenophobic, bigoted bull shizzle that you obviously believe. I feel sorry for you, and when I say that I don’t mean in the ways of “sit and let us reason together” and then end it with a handshake. I mean it in the ways of “Please for the love of Zeus! PLEASE don’t reproduce!” <—not saying this as an Atheist as much as I am just being an effin asshole…
I answered all of your questions in your post without being irate. If you aren't ready for the answers, don't ask the questions! Its that simple! And if you are going to ask the questions in a rhetorical fashion, don't include anything in my demographic. What is so hard about that? Christian, Atheist, Muslim, or Pastafarian, if you don't want the debate, don't engage it.
So I do "live and let live", but don't take my responses to your idiocy as an "irate" response because its not. You will never hold a special enough place in my black-heart for you to get me angry.
Something else, mike o, it would be better off for the rest of us if you didn’t use examples of other’s children having something horrible done to them. Some of us may have children away from home in college trying to make something of themselves and the parent isn’t there to protect them as they may want to be. So in the future just use yourself and your family as an example for your sadistic dreams, or hypothetical situations. Thanks for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Proud Parents of growing children
When you look around the room at the people behind you and ask if “anyone” can answer that, then pause, then say “not one person could” to use the silence to prove a point, then it has moved beyond a rhetorical question.
Personally, I would not have said anything and I think it was in poor taste for anyone to do so. I also think it is in poor taste for the media to spin it using the headline “heckling” and showing an edited clip (which excluded him asking the question of anyone in the room) in an effort to portray it as something that it wasn’t.
Incrementalism … That’s how communism occurred, right?
Oh, no, nevermind. There was a revolution. I forgot.
Screaming “Second Amendment” isn’t an answer to anything.
It’s called Misleading, Symbols.
First you say the proposed ban on “Assault Rifles” is not realistic because that implies something they are not. And you think the ban is about “non-functional appearance features that you think make them somehow deadlier” when that is not the truth. Then you “tack on limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds” being an “(arbitrary number)” as if any number would not be.
There is no “back door assault on pistol magazine capacity” in any manner. Nor is this about which guns make up all or most gun related crime. Certainly, a law would consider the “standard magazines” of any guns on the market. Again, misleading.
This country has had their guns, in ever growing quantity and variety, for over 234 years Symbols, get a grip. Whatever we ban it would still leave hundreds of guns to choose from for the “tyranny fighters” and gun nuts to collect.
What states do is supposed to be OK with you people…go figure.
People confess a lot of their desires, it has no power until enough of us agree. Not that you people do much to make that not happen.
I can and I do deny that the majority in this Congress or this nation wants to ban guns (or that they will do so). I will deny it all day long. You are USING this as your argument for persecution, nothing more.
This is not an “extreme anti-gun push” and the passion is ginned up hooey from people like you.
If fighting to end the carnage and the weapon we see too often in mass shootings, drug cartels and street shootouts causes the left to lose votes, you should be applauding that. OBVIOUSLY that is not the truth either.
Yeah it is awful when people portray something as something that it isn’t. Wow!
Do you actually watch the national news or read anything that happends outside of Roanoke???
If you bother to read any of the bills and media coverage of Diane Feinstein, Andrew Cuomo, Michael Bloomberg, and what they are pushing you would quickly realize that rather than publishing stories about the mentally ill getting guns, CNN should be doing stories on the mentally ill getting elected.
This letter is from one of YOUR people. You’ve got yourself a real sharp one here:
http://www.carolinacoastonline.com/news_times/opinions/letters_to_editor/article_8065cdfa-6a1c-11e2-a753-001a4bcf887a.html
Kristen, those guns were legally registered to his mother, so in order to steal them he had to kill her… Check the facts.. Dont believe the crap you hear on cnn or msnbc or cnbc or for that matter some of the reporting on fox. However if you recall all the news medias have reported that those were legally registered to his mother. Now if she had locked them up in a safe he would have had to go somewhere else for his guns… Do you really beleive that if we have stricter gun laws that it will keep guns out of criminal hands? I have friends and family in law enforcement and they take illegally bought guns from criminals all the time.. In reality the shhoter in ct broke 41 laws. Do you think that law 42 (stricter gun control) would have really stopped him? I live in a awsome neighborhood in roanoke high middle class and i can leave my house and have an illegal gun in a matter of an hour. In fact good citizens deserve the right to defend themselves read your history books. I am a hunter and a sportsman and own several ar’s that i use for hunting. In all reality i enjoy carrying them as i am in my 40s and a heavy gun in the woods is a thing of the past. Respectfully thanks for your opinion…
“the 2A has politically been a non-issue in the recent past. That has now changed. All this did was push them from slightly left of center to well right of it. 51% wasn’t a landslide”.
Speculation by (o\ ! /o)
Bugeyed, since you brought up the politics of the massacre control movement, I’ll elaborate on it for you.
First, understand that the 2A isn’t at issue for any balanced observer; that’s misleading scaremonging that’s being used by one element, and to cover themsleves it usually includes a warning of incrementalism to give their argument indefinite parameters, knowing that indefinite parameters can’t be easily refuted precisely because they lack anything substantive.
Then understand that while massacre control measures haven’t had much traction in the U.S. during the past two decades, that was a function of the perception that only one side, pro-gun absolutists, were passionate enough for it to motivate them politically. Indeed we still see that many pro-gun absolutists are virtually single issue constituents. But like gay rights, that has turned around, and now the nation is seeing a new passion among supporters of massacre control measures, who overwhelmingly reject paranoid fears of a government conspiracy to seize all guns (much less any feasible way that could happen). With the abysmal showing of NRA endorsements in the 2012 elections, their supposed political power is increasingly diminished. Coupled with the energized anti-violence efforts, those election results have shown NRA invincibility to be a myth.
But, ties between the NRA and the GOTP have been and remain extremely close. As much as they were a GOTP strength in the past, those ties are increasingly going to become a drowning anchor for the GOTP, since the NRA is unable to hide its’ commitment to the gun industries that have captured the NRA’s leadership. As those gun interests continue their radical departure from the common sense mainstream of American thought, it will become less and less of an asset to the GOTP to be so closely tied to the NRA.
Not unlike it’s problematic relationship with the intolerant Falwell/Dobson fundamentalist wing, the GOTP will have only three choices in its’ NRA relationship. One, they can keep the status quo and share the NRA leadership’s radicalism, but that is a long term demographic loser. Two, they can renounce the NRA leadership’s radicalism, but that presents the problem of alienating their own base and risks turning the spurned NRA’s fury against them. The third, most likely possibility is that the GOTP will follow the finesse model they’ve used with groups like fundamentalist Christians. That is, they’ll try to mollify gun radicals with their rhetoric and platform stances, while striving to project an image of moderation to the broader electorate, but when given governing opportunities will do little to actually enact radical pro-gun positions. String ‘em along and use ‘em, in other words, as they do with fundamentalists, small business, some tea partiers and other groups.
But bugeyed, feel free to believe that millions of people have been turned into pro-gun radicals by gun massacres if you wish. In fact, encourage your fellow gun apologists to do so too, and tell them that they should go all in for the GOTP. Please, do that.
scaremongering/themselves
“Do you actually watch the national news or read anything that happends outside of Roanoke???”
–Comment by (o\ ! /o)
Frank, Leon, Suzie, pammala, (and some others), his question was addressed to you.
That letter is from a Republican half-wit, Bugeyed.
Well certainly trivializing mental illness will help the situation.
And you think OUR problem is that we do not get news from outside Roanoke? Wow!
“Kristen, those guns were legally registered to his mother, so in order to steal them he had to kill her… Check the facts.. Dont believe the crap you hear on cnn or msnbc or cnbc or for that matter some of the reporting on fox. However if you recall all the news medias have reported that those were legally registered to his mother. Now if she had locked them up in a safe he would have had to go somewhere else for his guns…”
–Comment by Robert Doyle
Hold your horses there, Robert. Are you saying he stole someone else’s gun, or bought one at a gun show, then killed his mom BEFORE he stole her guns?
Because all Kristen was contending was, he killed his mom with her own gun, that he got his hands on before he killed his pro-gun mother, which means that arguably, she was a bit remiss in not securing her weapons, especially given that she was so scared of him she was about to have him institutionalized.
I mean, I know sh*t happens and all (which is the typical pro-gun-nut shrug off when a rights-raver screws up and innocent people die) but . . . hey, 22 elementary kids do not die every day.
And btw, you can’t back up your argument that Adam Lanza could have easily gotten his gun from somewhere else if he hadn’t stolen those unsecure ones from his mom. That is pure conjecture on your part. There are no guns in Cracker-Jack boxes, buddy.
Robert, a mother with a mentally ill son did not secure her legally owned guns. That cost her life and that of those children and teachers. Could gun laws or mental health laws have “prevented” that? No, maybe not, but that is not a reason not to take some of these guns out of public circulation for similar future use.
Having been the victim of two drunk drivers, do you think that no further drunk driving laws or efforts should be tried?
The same light weight, easy to fire, large magazine, folding stock, bad ass military style that many gun lovers enjoy seems to hold some allure for mass shooters too. The sad part is that there are plenty of other guns for either to use, even if we manage to ban these.
Some interesting historical tidbits in a strongly worded posting on JPFO web site:
http://tinyurl.com/abxkhb6
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The argument though, sometimes used by those anti-rights bigots, is that the framers of the Constitution, did not envision semi-automatic and fully automatic weaponry, and that therefore new restrictions are needed to combat modern technology. To that, I wish to present the erudite and refined argument: hog wash! The idea that the founders of this country were not aware of technological changes in weaponry, is too specious to believe.
First, look at the text of the Constitution itself. In Article 1, Section 8, clause 7. Congress is granted the authority, Quote, “To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.
If the founders did not know that technology would improve weapons and weapons systems, why did they build a promotion of the effusion of knowledge and technology, into our founding document?
Further study reveals that breech loading and multiple shot weapons existed in the time of the drafting of the constitution, and certainly by the time of the adoption of the Bill of Rights, four years later. The Puckle Gun was invented in 1718 by James Puckle (1667-1724) a British inventor, lawyer and writer. And who says lawyers are useless, anyway, but I digress.
The Puckle Gun is a tripod-mounted, single-barreled flintlock weapon fitted with a multishot revolving cylinder. It was intended for shipboard use to prevent boarding. The barrel was 3 feet (0.91 m) long with a bore of 1.25 inches (32 mm). It had a pre-loaded cylinder which held 11 charges and could fire 63 shots in seven minutes?this at a time when the standard soldier’s musket could at best be loaded and fired three times per minute.
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The idea that General Washington, or Alexander Hamilton who served as a Colonel under him did not know of these weapons and others like it, stretches credulity well beyond even anti-rights biggoted standards of reason. The founders knew damned good and well about the technologically developing state of weaponry – so much so that they planned for it in the Constitution.
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BTW Robert, have you caught on yet that Dave Hicks is a bigger 2A guy than you can dream of being?
Joe Biden himself admitted that the Federal Government doesn’t have time to prosecute people who lie on current background check documents. The Federal Government also makes NO attempt to enforce the current law requiring the States to report “adjudicated mentally defective” persons to the NICS database. If you want to plae blame on someone or something other than the individual, then there’s your smoking gun. If they have neither the time nor motivation to enforce the current laws that would keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill, what makes you think more laws are the answer?
“Are you saying he stole someone else’s gun, or bought one at a gun show, then killed his mom BEFORE he stole her guns?”
Thank you. Why is this such a difficult concept for them to grasp. You hardly have to work hard to “steal” from your own home with your mother sleeping in bed. This ” He had to kill her then steal the guns ” nonsense is the dumbest thing ever.
“Kristen, those guns were legally registered to his mother, so in order to steal them he had to kill her…”
Seriously Robert? People steal all the time with killing somebody to do it. You really probably should go back into hibernation.
Dan dont turn this into name calling. I wont and have not. Dan and Sandi I have one big question for you on this subject… DO you really think if we outlaw semi auto guns that criminals couldnt get them at will. Should we out law semi auto hunting rifles as well, how about, …. semi auto shotguns. AND for all of you think back to drivers education… the first couple of days your instructor made several references that driveing a 2 ton car like playing with a loaded weapon if it is not respected you can kill with it… I am checking on several va websites on true gun deaths in the state last year compared to traffic deaths all traffic deaths.
yes he killed his mother with one of her guns that he stole from her not a gun show…..
Robert Doyle,
Since you brought up driver’s ed, I’m all for hands-on classroom instruction to get your concealed carry permit. Right now you need NONE in Virginia. I got my concealed carry permit before I had ever TOUCHED a handgun.
But I had to take driving lessons in a real car, not just by watching a dumb, 1-hour video online. The outrage!
Concealed carry permit — Yo! No problemo! No experience necessaryo!
Driver’s permit — Some trained driver’s ed person needs to observe you drive, you dippy-wippy.
UNFAIR! UNFAIR! UNFAIR!
Warren, as much as you would like to blame the Republican party and NRA for gun violence, the numbers simply do not reflect it.
http://seachants.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/2011-fbi-gun-violence-vs-2012-voting-pattern/
You, like many of your politicians, may believe that the Constitution and Bill of Rights is an outdated piece of interesting history with no relevance in our modern culture. You may believe that gun ownership and 2A support is some sort of ancient hokey belief that is dwindling like bell bottoms in the 80s, but the statistics don’t reflect that either. Gun ownership has been steadily rising over the last two decades. And as the number of gun owners and carry permit holders has risen, violent crime has declined. There may be approximately 100 Million gun owners in the US out of a population of 300 Million, but you can’t assume that the other 200 Million are anti-gun. More than 50% of the households have a gun. Take me and my neighbor as a micro sample. Two households, 8 people, 1 gun owner (12.5%), 50% of the households own a gun, but only 1 person of the total is anti-gun (12.5%).
You can argue your point with Bill Clinton. If you didn’t see his recent speech at a Democratic event, he was trying to warn them. He’s a fairly smart guy, and one of your people. Perhaps you should look it up. I spend a great deal of time reading and studying the issue, and much more time on my opponents’ position than those who support my own.
Symbols, we can always tell when you are losing because you start making stuff up. NO ONE is saying “the Constitution and Bill of Rights is an outdated piece of interesting history with no relevance in our modern culture”! YOU are trying to pretend we are doing something that is against the Constitution or the laws of our society, that is simply not true.
NO ONE is working to eradicate all guns, or even most guns. Again, you are pretending we are out to get hunters and sport shooters and prevent Bubba from protecting his love sponge and it is just a lie.
Stop it! You owe it to the Beetle to be a better representative or surrender the emblem!
Bugeyed, when you miss the point, you miss by a mile, even finding sources to help you miss.
I wasn’t “blaming” the Republicans for gun violence, I was describing how their tight connection to the NRA is reaching the stage wherein it becomes more of a political liability than a benefit for them, and the problems that presents them.
The voting pattern/gun violence link you gave, in trying to match gun violence with voting patterns, mistakenly ignores that long evidence shows the biggest factors in violence rates are demographic ones, and the 2012 elections showed overall Democratic strength across a much broader demographic spectrum than the link tries to imply, despite GOTP delusions that it was mostly inner city minority voters who elected Obama.
It’s also necessary to consider a wide array of factors, many of them demographic, before concluding that a decline in violent crime is primarily attributable to increasing gun ownership rates. So far, that connection has not been shown to be independent of other, more durable factors.
And really, as I said in my post and Sandi reiterated, 2A isn’t at issue for any balanced observer; that’s misleading scaremongering that’s being used by one party, the NRA, to cloud the debate about massacre control measures.
You’d sound a little more balanced on the topic if you’d drop the black and white rhetoric, e.g. “your politicians”, “our side”, “anti-gun”, etc.
But feel free to work at strengthening the public’s identification of the GOTP with the NRA leadership. Really, please do that, we beg of you.
Sandi, there’s not winning or losing here. I’m simply presenting what exists. YOU may not be saying those things but certainly if you follow what is being said by many of the people pushing the current agenda you would know that these are indeed things that are being said and proposed. To say Nobody is saying it is simply false. You may not be aware of it, but I’m pointing out the fact that there are influential people out there pushing these very things. I’ll be glad to post links to the publications, but some simple google searches of your own will easily produce them.
The other info on gun ownership, households, etc. is simply informational.
The reference to what Bill Clinton said is actually a strategic mistake on my part. He’s on your side, and he’s advising his own party. I’m better off not telling you these things if you wish not to take his advice. It really makes no difference to me. The reality is the issue doesn’t have full democratic support in the senate, much less the house. So in the end a whole lot of nothing will come from it. Which truly is a shame, because I will be the first to admit that something meaningful could have come out of all of this if everyone didn’t reach for the stars. When you reach for a mile, the other side will refuse to give an inch. That’s just human nature.
I learned divisive rhetoric when I started coming to this blog. You guys are the master of it…I’m just learning.
Dipy Wipy? did you really just say that, that is so funny, I am so sorry, at one point I thought you might be respectable. You are a sorry pathetic excuse for a journalist let alone a human being. I will not stoop down to your level using childish name calling tactics. That is what is wrong with the liberal media today. I am sure that the rest of the people on here wouldnt stoop down to your level too. I really do feel sorry for you, and you are a superb example of why the roanoke times is slowly dying a fools death and losing subscribers…… Bugeye warren this guy is a lost cause leave him to his self subscribed alienating meanderful uniformed opinions. DAN I REALLY UNDERESTIMATED YOU. you are not a decent human being. you will never go anywhere other than the hidden pages of some rundown country backwoods wannabe struggling paper. Next youll be cussing and calling more kindergarten names cmon lets hear them show us how so immature you are. I have a 13 year old with more self respect than you will ever have.
But you notice i dont call you any babyish names thats what makes the conservative party the grand ol party we have morals and respect for every one.
According to public record FBI statistics
2011 208 gun related murders in va
2011 vdot reports 764 deaths from vehicle crashes
Staggering when you now how to look in the right place huh? I didnt rely on either liberal or conservative media. Cmon BIG DAN comment on this
Suzie you want a good laugh look at the tuesday blog sandis been trying to beat me up over there to no avail. Kind of funny really>>>….
Yep…no one is saying anything like that….
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57566014/professor-take-our-country-back-from-the-constitution/
“The reference to what Bill Clinton said is actually a strategic mistake on my part. He’s on your side, and he’s advising his own party. I’m better off not telling you these things if you wish not to take his advice.”
–Comment by (o\ ! /o)
Translation: Yes, it’s factual that Clinton said that, but I should not have told you that, because my goal here has a hell of lot less to do with facts that it does to score points in favor of my beliefs.
Robert Doyle, I did not call you any names.
Now why don’t you stop pretending I did, and address the point I made:
No hands-on training is necessary in Virginia, WHATSOEVER, to get a concealed carry permit.
Hands on training is necessary in Virginia to get a driver’s permit.
Or do you feel uncomfortable debating the propriety of that?
Dan, the difference legally would be that driving is a privilege and gun ownership is a right. That said, I would welcome a requirement for a hands-on training requirement for firearms.
Now, as long as we are passing regs on Constitutional rights, maybe you can tell me why the gun lobby feels that a $200 fee and multiple hoops for gun ownership are fair and justified, but the $15 it would cost every four or five years for an ID to vote is too onerous of a burden to put on people? I mean in both cases we are talking about exercising a constitutional right. Kristen argues that felons should be able to exercise the right to gun ownership. How about the poor? Surely if $15 would adversely impact the poor where voter ID is concerned, surely $200 would adversely impact the poor for gun ownership, right?
Robert Doyle,
Ever considered just going decaf?
hay dano,
Serious question time…how many folks with concealed carry permits have been convicted of a gun crime?
hay dano,
….in Virginia?
“Dan, the difference legally would be that driving is a privilege and gun ownership is a right. That said, I would welcome a requirement for a hands-on training requirement for firearms.”
–Chuck
Chuck,
Nice try. That argument would fly if I was talking about a handgun ownership permit. But I’m not. I’m talking about a concealed carry permit. Concealed carry is not a right, under recent Supreme Court rulings on the 2nd Amendment.
And if you’ll notice Dan, I agreed with you. Take the political blinders off for a minute and move on to the next part of my post . . . or do you have no answer for that part?
Dan, in Virginia what is required is handgun SAFETY training and testing, not PROFICIENCY training and testing. I took the class in Virginia when it was only available in person, two nights, for 4 hours each night. It was essentially the anatomy of a gun, don’t point it at anything, and keep your finger off of the trigger. Given the required content (same then as now), it made no difference if it was in person or not. We did not touch guns even in the in-person class (which was taught at a Community College). When I left the class I contacted our local Commonwealth’s Attorney and he e-mailed me links to Virginia laws and case laws to study. As for proficiency requirements, Virginia is an open carry state. There’s no requirement to prove safety traiing or proficiency in order to open carry. I guess proficiency is only important to you if a person conceals?
Dan @ 10:42 – Translation – Why should I help you by telling you what your own people are saying and doing.
It’s obvious I’ve spent a lot more time reading the opposing side’s proposals, quotes, articles, etc. than the people that are supporting them.
Nope…nobody out there talking about this stuff…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process#
“Dan, in Virginia what is required is handgun SAFETY training and testing, not PROFICIENCY training and testing. I took the class in Virginia when it was only available in person, two nights, for 4 hours each night. It was essentially the anatomy of a gun, don’t point it at anything, and keep your finger off of the trigger. Given the required content (same then as now), it made no difference if it was in person or not. We did not touch guns even in the in-person class (which was taught at a Community College). When I left the class I contacted our local Commonwealth’s Attorney and he e-mailed me links to Virginia laws and case laws to study. As for proficiency requirements, Virginia is an open carry state. There’s no requirement to prove safety traiing or proficiency in order to open carry. I guess proficiency is only important to you if a person conceals?”
(o\ ! /o),
I don’t know what the word “competence” means to you, but to me it means “proficiency.”
18.2-308(G):
“The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence, nor shall any proof of demonstrated competence expire:”
And THEN, it its wisdom, the General Assembly has a list of things that fulfill HOW an applicant can demonstrate that COMPETENCE, one of which is an online video SAFETY course.
The only conclusion I can draw here is that they are trying to fool people with this law, by claiming they care about COMPETENCE but then redefining the word not to require it. It’s legislative cynicism to the max.
(o\ ! /o), please let me know when Florida similarly redefines competence for the licensing of brain surgeons. Because that day, I’m gonna quit this scribe gig and move to Flagler Beach with a new set of shiny scalpels. With any luck, one of my patients might be Gov. Rick Scott!
Nope…nobody out there talking about this stuff…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process#
–Comment by (o\ ! /o)
Bugman, somebody, somewhere is talking about it (a la the anonymous “spork” on DailyKos). Big deal. In the vast plain of the USA, with 300 million people, someone, somewhere is always talking about something bad. I’d bet you that some idiot out there is talking right now about outlawing all churches. So what?
Does that scare you? Does it seem like a serious threat? Anyway, how do we know you aren’t “spork,” and that you wrote that little ditty just to support your claim that someone’s out there talking about banning guns?
(I don’t believe that, btw, but I don’t think you can prove to me that you’re NOT “spork.”)
There are millions of people who never read Daily Kos. I’m one of them.
Robert Doyle, what is “kinda funny” is you thinking you are making progress with your stooping to our level as you whine you won’t. I can only wonder what you call “name calling” if what you have done here is not it.
You claim we are not “respectable”, and you are?
You claim Dan is “a sorry pathetic excuse for a journalist let alone a human being” but you “will not stoop down to your level using childish name calling tactics”? Are you on medication?
We appreciate that you “really do feel sorry for” us, but you are the one who deserves sympathy for that bubble you live in seems low on oxygen.
Any facts to back up your claim that “the roanoke times is slowly dying a fools death and losing subscribers”? Do you seriously think media runs on subscribers? That your $12.95 (or whatever) a month will see them in hell? Really?
No one has forced you to come here and read a word, post or give the Roanoke Times the “hits”. (Which makes them money, Robert!) That was voluntary. No doubt, like Suzie, you believe your pitiful efforts have amounted to giving it to us good. That only makes it sadder, but feel free to gloat, she does.
What is “meanderful”? I am sure it is not an insult you would “stoop to” and still not us.
What? Because Dan (or the rest of us) won’t allow your uniformed opinions to go unchallenged means he (or we) is “not a decent human being”? You have GOT to be kidding.
Roanoke is a lovely City in a beautiful area of Virginia and the Roanoke Times is not “some rundown country backwoods wannabe struggling paper”. Your opinion being next to Godliness notwithstanding.
You have been more than happy to show us how immature you are, so decrying anyone else’s replies as such is really more childish than any 13-year-old we know either.
Self respect is not a team sport Robert. Get some and you will know.
Do not be so fast to pat yourself on the back for not using “babyish names” you have done quite enough childish, immature and uninformed posting to last a while. And you have not in the least shown “morals and respect for every one”. Hope that doesn’t get you kicked out of the GOTP. Oh who am I kidding, as if!
People like Robert Doyle often come on this blog to cheer what they believe to be the pending death of the newspaper. They love to hate us so much that I fear there will be a great big empty place in their lives when and if what they’re predicting ever happens.
Anyway, their page views help the newspaper earn money, so thank you!
Symbols, there are all kinds of movements in this world. Ever been on Facebook? You can find someone espousing something for just about every idea known to man. That is not what drives this nation. We are a nation of laws and Sesame Street can help you will how a bill becomes a law if you need a refresher. People thinking that aliens are among us, does not make it so. Though a few people do make me wonder.
The reality is that there is no serious, legislative movement to ban guns or take guns, hell even Feinstein’s bogey man grandfathers the guns already in millions of homes. And no one seriously believes her bill has a snowball’s chance last I heard. Of course you are obviously so much better informed by keeping up with the Daily Kos.
Get a grip man, you sound like a whiny teenager.
And for the record, since I like my lectures to also be teachable moments Robert,
Dan was showing the difference in responses to requests for a concealed carry gun permit and a drivers license, not calling you a name! You truly have a comprehension problem.
Ask for a “Concealed carry permit” and you are told “ — Yo! No problemo! No experience necessaryo!”
Ask for a “Driver’s permit” and you are told “ — Some trained driver’s ed person needs to observe you drive, you dippy-wippy.”
I sure hope that helps for those who cannot understand anything without subtitles!
So, let’s see, bug, you’re suggesting that a poorly written blog or discussion list post by an anonymous person is some sort of serious and threatening discussion of banning all guns? Are you really that daft?
BTW, the poll at the bottom asking folks whether they favor banning all guns? One percent in favor. Man, I can just see them coming for your guns any time now.
Sandy, Robert D has an extremely serious problem with comprehension. I think it was obvious to every single person reading this blog EXCEPT Robert that Dan was not calling him names.
Dan, you make such a big deal about it being an ONLINE course and you never touched a gun. What I’m trying to tell you is I took it in person before the online stuff started and it was still safety in which no one touched a gun. There was no statutory requirement that you score a 80 out of 100 shooting a gun from x feet. The fact that it was offered online didn’t change the content of what had been in place for years. Proficiency testing requirements are a whole different issue…those didn’t change with the online aspect. I’m just conveying to you how it was and is, not espousing e virtues.
For what it is worth, I personally like the idea of in person class and actual firing range time as part of the class. That’s how it is done in Florida. A buddy of mine here took the class, spent time on the range, and got free range time as part of the class. The instructor spent one on one time with him on the range. There was no range scoring requirement, just as much time as the person needed to feel comfortable and the instructor to feel comfortable. I had been taking him to the range with me and teaching him safe handling, shooting, and different types of firearms. I helped him choose 2 firearms he purchased and used in his class. H now has his permit and goes to the range on a regular basis.
Sandi, no, I have never been on Facebook. I do not plan to either. You say no one is talking about these things when in fact many people are talking about these things and they are filtering their way up to the legislative discussions. That’s how politics works. Influential people are talking about these things, CBS mainstream media are talking about these things. Gov Cuomo has actually talked about confiscation. One of the sheriffs involved in the presidential discussions talked about it taking one generation to ban all guns. People, including legislators, are talking about it. I think that Diane Feinstein and others have shot so ridiculously high no one reasonably expects them to fly, including me. It’s ridiculous. NY just effectively banned MOST guns by semi-autos with more than 7 rounds. That’s 90% of the most commonly used firearms in current use. That’s most. That’s like banning automatic transmissions in cars because most drunk drivers are driving cars with automatic transmissions. Well, most cars have automatic transmissions.
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Did that classroom course you took afford you the opportunity to ask questions? Can you recall if any of the students may have asked a question, about something they didn’t understand?
That is another drawback to the online gun course necessary to (according to the wording of the law) “demonstrate competence” with a handgun.
We took a class taught by an NRA-certified instructor named Dallas Jones. Full day on a Saturday…handgun safety. Loads and loads of safety, videos, demonstrations, reading. Everyone got to ask questions, and get some hands-on experience with different types of handguns to see the different parts and safeties, and to learn how to properly handle them.
After the initial classroom portion, we drove in a caravan to a range, and did some shooting to demonstrate our knowledge of the information from the class to that point, though, I do not believe that factored into the final grading. But, it did give him a chance to point out flaws people had in stance, grip, trigger pull, aiming, etc. After that, we returned to the classroom and took a fairly comprehensive quiz. Upon passing, we got certificates that we could take to the locality we lived in to apply for a CHP.
I would personally like to see such classes become the standard requirement for obtaining a CHP.
We never considered an online-only class for firearms safety, and won’t.
But, there is a pretty sweet gunsmithing class offered via distance learning that we’re looking to take.
Dan, yes we got to ask all of the questions we cared to ask, and were encouraged to stay after and discuss more.
I fully support in-person classes and range time. But if Virginia does not change the content of the class it won’t mean much. I left the class in VA wanting more, which I took upon myself to seek and find.
Florida actually has some very good processes for the classes and concealed carry permit application. I had to have background checks, fingerprints, and complete a long questionairre to obtain my FL permit. I was not required to take a class in Florida since I had a certificate of completion from an approved certified source.