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		<title>By: (o\ ! /o)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/no-fun-on-the-tuesday-open-thread/#comment-278765</link>
		<dc:creator>(o\ ! /o)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 03:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan, yes we got to ask all of the questions we cared to ask, and were encouraged to stay after and discuss more.  

I fully support in-person classes and range time.  But if Virginia does not change the content of the class it won&#039;t mean much.  I left the class in VA wanting more, which I took upon myself to seek and find.

Florida actually has some very good processes for the classes and concealed carry permit application.  I had to have background checks, fingerprints, and complete a long questionairre to obtain my FL permit.  I was not required to take a class in Florida since I had a certificate of completion from an approved certified source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, yes we got to ask all of the questions we cared to ask, and were encouraged to stay after and discuss more.  </p>
<p>I fully support in-person classes and range time.  But if Virginia does not change the content of the class it won&#8217;t mean much.  I left the class in VA wanting more, which I took upon myself to seek and find.</p>
<p>Florida actually has some very good processes for the classes and concealed carry permit application.  I had to have background checks, fingerprints, and complete a long questionairre to obtain my FL permit.  I was not required to take a class in Florida since I had a certificate of completion from an approved certified source.</p>
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		<title>By: Other John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/no-fun-on-the-tuesday-open-thread/#comment-278529</link>
		<dc:creator>Other John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We took a class taught by an NRA-certified instructor named Dallas Jones.  Full day on a Saturday...handgun safety.  Loads and loads of safety, videos, demonstrations, reading.  Everyone got to ask questions, and get some hands-on experience with different types of handguns to see the different parts and safeties, and to learn how to properly handle them.

After the initial classroom portion, we drove in a caravan to a range, and did some shooting to demonstrate our knowledge of the information from the class to that point, though, I do not believe that factored into the final grading.  But, it did give him a chance to point out flaws people had in stance, grip, trigger pull, aiming, etc.  After that, we returned to the classroom and took a fairly comprehensive quiz.  Upon passing, we got certificates that we could take to the locality we lived in to apply for a CHP.

I would personally like to see such classes become the standard requirement for obtaining a CHP.

We never considered an online-only class for firearms safety, and won&#039;t.

But, there is a pretty sweet gunsmithing class offered via distance learning that we&#039;re looking to take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We took a class taught by an NRA-certified instructor named Dallas Jones.  Full day on a Saturday&#8230;handgun safety.  Loads and loads of safety, videos, demonstrations, reading.  Everyone got to ask questions, and get some hands-on experience with different types of handguns to see the different parts and safeties, and to learn how to properly handle them.</p>
<p>After the initial classroom portion, we drove in a caravan to a range, and did some shooting to demonstrate our knowledge of the information from the class to that point, though, I do not believe that factored into the final grading.  But, it did give him a chance to point out flaws people had in stance, grip, trigger pull, aiming, etc.  After that, we returned to the classroom and took a fairly comprehensive quiz.  Upon passing, we got certificates that we could take to the locality we lived in to apply for a CHP.</p>
<p>I would personally like to see such classes become the standard requirement for obtaining a CHP.</p>
<p>We never considered an online-only class for firearms safety, and won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But, there is a pretty sweet gunsmithing class offered via distance learning that we&#8217;re looking to take.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Casey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/no-fun-on-the-tuesday-open-thread/#comment-278518</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(o\ ! /o),

Did that classroom course you took afford you the opportunity to ask questions? Can you recall if any of the students may have asked a question, about something they didn&#039;t understand?

That is another drawback to the online gun course necessary to (according to the wording of the law) &quot;demonstrate competence&quot; with a handgun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(o\ ! /o),</p>
<p>Did that classroom course you took afford you the opportunity to ask questions? Can you recall if any of the students may have asked a question, about something they didn&#8217;t understand?</p>
<p>That is another drawback to the online gun course necessary to (according to the wording of the law) &#8220;demonstrate competence&#8221; with a handgun.</p>
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		<title>By: (o\ ! /o)</title>
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		<dc:creator>(o\ ! /o)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandi, no, I have never been on Facebook.  I do not plan to either.  You say no one is talking about these things when in fact many people are talking about these things and they are filtering their way up to the legislative discussions.  That&#039;s how politics works.  Influential people are talking about these things, CBS mainstream media are talking about these things.  Gov Cuomo has actually talked about confiscation.  One of the sheriffs involved in the presidential discussions talked about it taking one generation to ban all guns.  People, including legislators, are talking about it.  I think that Diane Feinstein and others have shot so ridiculously high no one reasonably expects them to fly, including me.  It&#039;s ridiculous.  NY just effectively banned MOST guns by  semi-autos with more than 7 rounds.  That&#039;s 90% of the most commonly used firearms in current use.  That&#039;s most.  That&#039;s like banning automatic transmissions in cars because most drunk drivers are driving cars with automatic transmissions.  Well, most cars have automatic transmissions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandi, no, I have never been on Facebook.  I do not plan to either.  You say no one is talking about these things when in fact many people are talking about these things and they are filtering their way up to the legislative discussions.  That&#8217;s how politics works.  Influential people are talking about these things, CBS mainstream media are talking about these things.  Gov Cuomo has actually talked about confiscation.  One of the sheriffs involved in the presidential discussions talked about it taking one generation to ban all guns.  People, including legislators, are talking about it.  I think that Diane Feinstein and others have shot so ridiculously high no one reasonably expects them to fly, including me.  It&#8217;s ridiculous.  NY just effectively banned MOST guns by  semi-autos with more than 7 rounds.  That&#8217;s 90% of the most commonly used firearms in current use.  That&#8217;s most.  That&#8217;s like banning automatic transmissions in cars because most drunk drivers are driving cars with automatic transmissions.  Well, most cars have automatic transmissions.</p>
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		<title>By: (o\ ! /o)</title>
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		<dc:creator>(o\ ! /o)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan, you make such a big deal about it being an ONLINE course and you never touched a gun.  What I&#039;m trying to tell you is I took it in person before the online stuff started and it was still safety in which no one touched a gun.  There was no statutory requirement that you score a 80 out of 100 shooting a gun from x feet.  The fact that it was offered online didn&#039;t change the content of what had been in place for years.  Proficiency testing requirements are a whole different issue...those didn&#039;t change with the online aspect.  I&#039;m just conveying to you how it was and is, not espousing e virtues. 

For what it is worth,  I personally like the idea of in person class and actual firing range time as part of the class.  That&#039;s how it is done in Florida. A buddy of mine here took the class, spent time on the range, and got free range time as part of the class.  The instructor spent one on one time with him on the range.  There was no range scoring requirement, just as much time as the person needed to feel comfortable and the instructor to feel comfortable.  I had been taking him to the range with me and teaching him safe handling, shooting, and different types of firearms.  I helped him choose 2 firearms he purchased and used in his class.  H now has his permit and goes to the range on a regular basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you make such a big deal about it being an ONLINE course and you never touched a gun.  What I&#8217;m trying to tell you is I took it in person before the online stuff started and it was still safety in which no one touched a gun.  There was no statutory requirement that you score a 80 out of 100 shooting a gun from x feet.  The fact that it was offered online didn&#8217;t change the content of what had been in place for years.  Proficiency testing requirements are a whole different issue&#8230;those didn&#8217;t change with the online aspect.  I&#8217;m just conveying to you how it was and is, not espousing e virtues. </p>
<p>For what it is worth,  I personally like the idea of in person class and actual firing range time as part of the class.  That&#8217;s how it is done in Florida. A buddy of mine here took the class, spent time on the range, and got free range time as part of the class.  The instructor spent one on one time with him on the range.  There was no range scoring requirement, just as much time as the person needed to feel comfortable and the instructor to feel comfortable.  I had been taking him to the range with me and teaching him safe handling, shooting, and different types of firearms.  I helped him choose 2 firearms he purchased and used in his class.  H now has his permit and goes to the range on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: gdad</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandy, Robert D has an extremely serious problem with comprehension. I think it was obvious to every single person reading this blog EXCEPT Robert that Dan was not calling him names.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, Robert D has an extremely serious problem with comprehension. I think it was obvious to every single person reading this blog EXCEPT Robert that Dan was not calling him names.</p>
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		<title>By: gdad</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, let&#039;s see, bug, you&#039;re suggesting that a poorly written blog or discussion list post by an anonymous person is some sort of serious and threatening discussion of banning all guns? Are you really that daft?

BTW, the poll at the bottom asking folks whether they favor banning all guns? One percent in favor. Man, I can just see them coming for your guns any time now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let&#8217;s see, bug, you&#8217;re suggesting that a poorly written blog or discussion list post by an anonymous person is some sort of serious and threatening discussion of banning all guns? Are you really that daft?</p>
<p>BTW, the poll at the bottom asking folks whether they favor banning all guns? One percent in favor. Man, I can just see them coming for your guns any time now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And for the record, since I like my lectures to also be teachable moments Robert,

Dan was showing the difference in responses to requests for a concealed carry gun permit and a drivers license, not calling you a name!  You truly have a comprehension problem.

&lt;b&gt;Ask for a&lt;/b&gt; &quot;&lt;em&gt;Concealed carry permit&lt;/em&gt;&quot; &lt;b&gt;and you are told&lt;/b&gt; &quot;&lt;em&gt; — Yo! No problemo! No experience necessaryo!&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

&lt;b&gt;Ask for a&lt;/b&gt; &quot;&lt;em&gt;Driver’s permit&lt;em&gt;&quot; &lt;b&gt;and you are told&lt;/b&gt; &quot;&lt;em&gt; — Some trained driver’s ed person needs to observe you drive, you dippy-wippy.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

I sure hope that helps for those who cannot understand anything without subtitles!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the record, since I like my lectures to also be teachable moments Robert,</p>
<p>Dan was showing the difference in responses to requests for a concealed carry gun permit and a drivers license, not calling you a name!  You truly have a comprehension problem.</p>
<p><b>Ask for a</b> &#8220;<em>Concealed carry permit</em>&#8221; <b>and you are told</b> &#8220;<em> — Yo! No problemo! No experience necessaryo!</em>&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Ask for a</b> &#8220;<em>Driver’s permit</em><em>&#8221; <b>and you are told</b> &#8220;</em><em> — Some trained driver’s ed person needs to observe you drive, you dippy-wippy.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>I sure hope that helps for those who cannot understand anything without subtitles!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Symbols, there are all kinds of movements in this world. Ever been on Facebook?  You can find someone espousing something for just about every idea known to man.  That is not what drives this nation.  We are a nation of laws and Sesame Street can help you will how a bill becomes a law if you need a refresher.  People thinking that aliens are among us, does not make it so.  Though a few people do make me wonder.

The reality is that there is no serious, legislative movement to ban guns or take guns, hell even Feinstein&#039;s bogey man grandfathers the guns already in millions of homes.  And no one seriously believes her bill has a snowball&#039;s chance last I heard.  Of course you are obviously so much better informed by keeping up with the Daily Kos.

Get a grip man, you sound like a whiny teenager.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Symbols, there are all kinds of movements in this world. Ever been on Facebook?  You can find someone espousing something for just about every idea known to man.  That is not what drives this nation.  We are a nation of laws and Sesame Street can help you will how a bill becomes a law if you need a refresher.  People thinking that aliens are among us, does not make it so.  Though a few people do make me wonder.</p>
<p>The reality is that there is no serious, legislative movement to ban guns or take guns, hell even Feinstein&#8217;s bogey man grandfathers the guns already in millions of homes.  And no one seriously believes her bill has a snowball&#8217;s chance last I heard.  Of course you are obviously so much better informed by keeping up with the Daily Kos.</p>
<p>Get a grip man, you sound like a whiny teenager.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People like Robert Doyle often come on this blog to cheer what they believe to be the pending death of the newspaper. They love to hate us so much that I fear there will be a great big empty place in their lives when and if what they&#039;re predicting ever happens.

Anyway, their page views help the newspaper earn money, so thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like Robert Doyle often come on this blog to cheer what they believe to be the pending death of the newspaper. They love to hate us so much that I fear there will be a great big empty place in their lives when and if what they&#8217;re predicting ever happens.</p>
<p>Anyway, their page views help the newspaper earn money, so thank you!</p>
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