dream act doesn’t pass? that’s okay, just install puppet leader at ICE and order him to pretend like it has! get schools to start teaching kids that the 2nd amendment does not give them the constitutional right to bear arms, allow the saudi royal family to pay for textbooks (especially the ones in stubborn old texas) and have those history/social studies books filled with lies and omissions, institute some computer lesson plan that no one is allowed to view and that teachers are forced to sign a nondisclosure agreement stating they won’t tell anyone what is in those plans – in those plans have students call muslim terrorists freedom fighters and boston tea party members ‘terrorists’, TRY (and blessedly fail) to stop kids living on farms from working on the family farm and to remove govt accreditation of the 4-H and other teaching organizations for farm kids that give YEARS of training and replace it with a government mandated 80 hour ‘instruction class’ (make sure kids neither learn how to grow food or care for animals, all that pesky SURVIVAL type knowledge), put drones over the U.S., give the government the right to arrest & detain anybody for anything and hold them forever without just cause, right to counsel or trial AND also the right to KILL them —- REMOVE U.S. CITIZEN LEGAL GUNS – while allowing hundreds of thousands of illegal hispanic gang members to control 95% of the illegal weapons trafficking into the United States-not mentioning that gang members are responsible for up to 80% of ALL violent crime in the U.S. AND giving free citizenship to a bunch of slags who don’t deserve it, make presidential mandates allowing 80,000 Somalian muslims to enter the united states without any interview or background check required, 97% of whom are illiterate and 100% of whom believe all Christians should be killed, beating women is okay, and raping ‘western whores’ is allowed by god THEN distribute them heavily into the area of the ‘southern bible belt’, cry about some illegal getting the death penalty for viciously raping & murdering a teenager, always praise muslims but be SURE to disingenuously refer to ‘white christians’ as ‘fearful of change, clinging to their religion like the cling to their guns, and who need a focus their anger on something, blah blah so they hate immigrants because they’re horrible white racist christian blah blah blah – but that american muslim army guy that shot a bunch of unarmed american soldiers THAT WAS JUST ‘REGULAR WORKPLACE VIOLENCE’.

I don’t know why my eyes haven’t burst out of my head from the pressure caused by the intense level of frustration, betrayal, anger, and disgust I feel at both the government and the STUPID people who have never and will never take the time to figure out what is real and where the threat is coming from, because it certain wouldn’t be me with a legal gun.

I have never held so little hope for the survival of a peaceful, freedom oriented, clean, hard working society against the filth of the world in my entire life.

Tom values his guns over life itself. Wow. There sure are a lot of nuts out there, and too many of them are armed.

Comment by Leon — January 20, 2013 @ 9:52 pm

Leon, does this paragraph indicate that you support a restriction on liberal progressives having a CCP?

You’re welcome, friend. You cannot shoot to kill because someone punched you.”
–Comment by Jack

And Zimmerman’s excuse is what, Jack?

You’re welcome, friend. You cannot shoot to kill because someone punched you.

Leon, tell that to the Va concealed carry permit holder who massacred those innocent people in Appomattox, or the the Virginia CCP holder who massacred those people in Fort Hood, or to the other Va. CCP holder who killed his girlfriend and her kids in Tidewater before blowing his own brains out.

Or, tell it to the beer-drinking nuke physicist CCP holder who shot himself in the foot in a Lynchburg bar.

I mean, Jeesh.

Comment by Dan Casey — January 20, 2013 @ 8:45 pm

Believe those you reference are best described as liberal progressives as opposed to responsible CCP holders. CCP holders, much more often than not, make us safer. Your attempt to denigrate them is not supported by the statistical evidence of postive interventions or of any crime statistics involving CCP holders. IMO, we need liberal progressive control; they are a bad lot.

There are a lot of laws that indicate we’re not allowed to murder people. I’m not sure there are any that make shootings acceptable.

Comment by Kristen — January 20, 2013 @ 7:32 pm

Sorry, should have provided a link with pictures for you.

Leon, tell that to the Va concealed carry permit holder who massacred those innocent people in Appomattox, or the the Virginia CCP holder who massacred those people in Fort Hood, or to the other Va. CCP holder who killed his girlfriend and her kids in Tidewater before blowing his own brains out.

Or, tell it to the beer-drinking nuke physicist CCP holder who shot himself in the foot in a Lynchburg bar.

I mean, Jeesh.

“In criminal law, an affirmative defense (e.g., to a murder charge) alleging that the defendant used serious force necessarily for self-protection. The claim of self-defense must normally rely on a reasonable belief that the other party intended to inflict great bodily harm or death and that avoidance by retreating was impossible. See also homicide.”

This is the general definition I am familiar with. The stand your ground law cited by Jack above does not contain language about ” great bodily harm or death” or language about “avoidance by retreating was impossible.” I think that is a problem.

Leon, we libs understand very well that “The Google” is a good source of information but not always a reliable source of knowledge.

Comment by Jason Perdue — January 20, 2013 @ 8:06 pm

Liberals and a reliable source of knowledge? Who’d of thunk it? It’s obvious liberals prefer, and believe, propoganda publications like the RT, Huff-Post, etc.

It is a crime to shoot someone. Self-defense is a valid defense in many cases. Gunowners, particularly those with CCPs, are aware of the circumstances and actions which constitute self-defense and, alternatively, those circumstances and actions which do not.

Also note that the law governing self-defense may differ or stray away from a dictionary definition. This is like the Affordable Health Care act which has nothing really to do with affordable or health care.

When one considers that life threatening situations often occur at a surprisingly rapid pace allowing but seconds to act we should be thankful and respectful of those whose assume such risk of being able to act and the potential aftermath. Thank you CCP holders, you make us all safer.

If your life or that or your family were threatened would you really rather not have someone with the ability and inclination to act do so?

That said, most CCP holders never encounter such an incident and never fire a shot other than at the range.