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		<title>By: Robert Doyle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/rep-morgan-griffith-is-still-sending-around-that-ersatz-survey/#comment-278667</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vdot link @ 760 vehicle related  deaths in 2011 in va
FBI Link @ 208 gun related deaths 2011 in va

Found on actual repuable websites, not huffington post!

Pretty amazing numbers huh and actually over 370 of those deaths were alcohol related, lets ban cars!!!  Those deaths are very preventable. I would like to know how many are (were) repeat offenders and how our system has turn them loose time and time again..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vdot link @ 760 vehicle related  deaths in 2011 in va<br />
FBI Link @ 208 gun related deaths 2011 in va</p>
<p>Found on actual repuable websites, not huffington post!</p>
<p>Pretty amazing numbers huh and actually over 370 of those deaths were alcohol related, lets ban cars!!!  Those deaths are very preventable. I would like to know how many are (were) repeat offenders and how our system has turn them loose time and time again..</p>
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		<title>By: gdad</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Please tell me something have any of the 3 of you ever lost a child in your family because of tragic circumstance (chances are probably not) ...&quot;

Chances are probably so. Definitely so in my family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Please tell me something have any of the 3 of you ever lost a child in your family because of tragic circumstance (chances are probably not) &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Chances are probably so. Definitely so in my family.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hay sandi, 

I see you found the link.  However, that link is not the one to the article which appeared in the RTs.  For some reason, that link seems to be unavailble via the Roanoke.com website. 

If your objective is to reduce gun deaths, the data in the article offers clear evidence that putting more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will do the trick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hay sandi, </p>
<p>I see you found the link.  However, that link is not the one to the article which appeared in the RTs.  For some reason, that link seems to be unavailble via the Roanoke.com website. </p>
<p>If your objective is to reduce gun deaths, the data in the article offers clear evidence that putting more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens will do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/rep-morgan-griffith-is-still-sending-around-that-ersatz-survey/#comment-277876</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;em&gt;Alaska: 104 gun deaths, 84 motor vehicle deaths
Arizona: 856 gun deaths, 809 motor vehicle deaths
Colorado: 583 gun deaths, 565 motor vehicle deaths
Indiana: 735 gun deaths, 715 motor vehicle deaths
Michigan: 1,095 gun deaths, 977 motor vehicle deaths
Nevada: 406 gun deaths, 255 motor vehicle deaths
Oregon: 417 gun deaths, 394 motor vehicle deaths
Utah: 260 gun deaths, 256 motor vehicle deaths
Virginia: 836 gun deaths, 827 motor vehicle deaths
Washington: 623 gun deaths, 580 motor vehicle deaths&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/gun-deaths-exceed-motor-v_b_1536793.html

It may be documented that the huge increase in gun sales has not caused an increase in crime (which is great), but it is not true that the huge increase in gun sales has not caused an increase in gun deaths.

Gun crimes and gun deaths are two different things.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/their-opinion/gun-deaths-still-too-high/article_5cca12b9-aee4-587d-b357-2882150c55c3.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Alaska: 104 gun deaths, 84 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Arizona: 856 gun deaths, 809 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Colorado: 583 gun deaths, 565 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Indiana: 735 gun deaths, 715 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Michigan: 1,095 gun deaths, 977 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Nevada: 406 gun deaths, 255 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Oregon: 417 gun deaths, 394 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Utah: 260 gun deaths, 256 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Virginia: 836 gun deaths, 827 motor vehicle deaths<br />
Washington: 623 gun deaths, 580 motor vehicle deaths</em>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/gun-deaths-exceed-motor-v_b_1536793.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/gun-deaths-exceed-motor-v_b_1536793.html</a></p>
<p>It may be documented that the huge increase in gun sales has not caused an increase in crime (which is great), but it is not true that the huge increase in gun sales has not caused an increase in gun deaths.</p>
<p>Gun crimes and gun deaths are two different things.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/their-opinion/gun-deaths-still-too-high/article_5cca12b9-aee4-587d-b357-2882150c55c3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/their-opinion/gun-deaths-still-too-high/article_5cca12b9-aee4-587d-b357-2882150c55c3.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandi, 

yes I&#039;ll track it down for you.  It was on the front page of Monday&#039;s RTs, ...looks like it originated with a Richmond Times-Dispatch reporter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandi, </p>
<p>yes I&#8217;ll track it down for you.  It was on the front page of Monday&#8217;s RTs, &#8230;looks like it originated with a Richmond Times-Dispatch reporter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/rep-morgan-griffith-is-still-sending-around-that-ersatz-survey/#comment-277867</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW Hey Frank, I did miss that article on &quot;gun deaths have dropped in Virginia since 2006&quot;.  Do you have a link?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Hey Frank, I did miss that article on &#8220;gun deaths have dropped in Virginia since 2006&#8243;.  Do you have a link?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/rep-morgan-griffith-is-still-sending-around-that-ersatz-survey/#comment-277853</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I see what &quot;maybe confused&quot; me.  Robert said &quot;I have a dead brother from a drunk driver&quot; January 29, 2013 @ 10:14 pm and then asked &quot;have any of the 3 of you ever lost a child in your family because of tragic circumstance (chances are probably not) well i have&quot; January 30, 2013 @ 7:05 pm  

I get it now, your brother was a child in your family.

I think many of us have lost a family member due to &quot;tragic circumstances&quot;.  I have. And believe it or not, we can empathize with folks even if not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I see what &#8220;maybe confused&#8221; me.  Robert said &#8220;I have a dead brother from a drunk driver&#8221; January 29, 2013 @ 10:14 pm and then asked &#8220;have any of the 3 of you ever lost a child in your family because of tragic circumstance (chances are probably not) well i have&#8221; January 30, 2013 @ 7:05 pm  </p>
<p>I get it now, your brother was a child in your family.</p>
<p>I think many of us have lost a family member due to &#8220;tragic circumstances&#8221;.  I have. And believe it or not, we can empathize with folks even if not.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/rep-morgan-griffith-is-still-sending-around-that-ersatz-survey/#comment-277846</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Frank, don&#039;t hurt yourself.  I offered the link to what I said.  Here is another:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/18/gun_deaths_in_america_gun_deaths_outpace_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_at_least.html

http://dlglawfirm.com/auto-accidents/gun-deaths-outnumber-traffic-deaths/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Frank, don&#8217;t hurt yourself.  I offered the link to what I said.  Here is another:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/18/gun_deaths_in_america_gun_deaths_outpace_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_at_least.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/18/gun_deaths_in_america_gun_deaths_outpace_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_at_least.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://dlglawfirm.com/auto-accidents/gun-deaths-outnumber-traffic-deaths/" rel="nofollow">http://dlglawfirm.com/auto-accidents/gun-deaths-outnumber-traffic-deaths/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2013/01/rep-morgan-griffith-is-still-sending-around-that-ersatz-survey/#comment-277841</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert, I did say you came in sounding angry and challenging, because you did. I also said your posts are very hard to follow, because they are.  If you want &quot;respectful debate&quot; you also have to offer it.  That is just how it works.

As to your points:

1. The United States of America is not a business.  It cannot be run like a business, it does not do the same thing as a business and it is not a business.

The Constitution was written to codify the structure of our government.  The Bill of Rights (the first 10 Amendments) was added to codify the rights the Founders believed were needed to gain ratification and to clarify the importance of the rights of the people.

2. After seeing the damage and the loss to fishing, tourism and the ecosystem in the Gulf, and the damage from Hurricane Sandy, I do not support drilling off the Virginia coast. The potential for jobs is not worth the potential for the spoilage and tax dollars to fix the mess.  (Same with Uranium mining while we are on the subject.)

And Robert, you are truly dreaming if you believe anything will &quot;lower our taxes&quot; or &quot;increase our economy 10 foold&quot;.  We do not have the refinery capacity for the oil we process now BTW.  

There is no boon without a bust and no opportunity without risk.  I hope never to see oil rigs off our coast.  

3 We all &quot;support prosals for the longterm stabilization of social security and medicare&quot; but I disagree completely that such is what has been offered from the GOTP.  The &quot;Obamacare&quot; &quot;taxes and fines&quot; are not going to have any impact on &quot;the healthcare industry as a whole&quot;. They are to force people to make the needed insurance coverage a reality or join the exchanges to help pay for what they get.  The health care industry does not care WHO pays, insurance, government or patients, as long as they are paid.  The insurance rules, the exchange rules, the Medicare and Medicaid rules are where the savings and changes for the good will come from as it will no longer be just us against them.  

As to the point about smokers, they are already paying more for insurance and in 2014 that can be up to 50 percent higher premiums according to my research so yes, back that &quot;double&quot; up with some sources.  Smokers cost more in health care, especially end of life, it is not just because people don&#039;t like them. I hope this helps many people quit smoking.  Most insurance companies and even some businesses offer free help in quitting already.

If there is any &quot;penalty&quot; it is self-inflicted.  

4. I support the current Immigration Reform as I understand it. I know that immigrants pay payroll taxes and Social Security and Medicare they will never be able to draw on.  I do not know if you have all of your facts correct, but I am not interested in arguing about what immigrants are &quot;given&quot;.
http://www.neighborhood-centers.org/page.aspx?PageID=330#taxes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I did say you came in sounding angry and challenging, because you did. I also said your posts are very hard to follow, because they are.  If you want &#8220;respectful debate&#8221; you also have to offer it.  That is just how it works.</p>
<p>As to your points:</p>
<p>1. The United States of America is not a business.  It cannot be run like a business, it does not do the same thing as a business and it is not a business.</p>
<p>The Constitution was written to codify the structure of our government.  The Bill of Rights (the first 10 Amendments) was added to codify the rights the Founders believed were needed to gain ratification and to clarify the importance of the rights of the people.</p>
<p>2. After seeing the damage and the loss to fishing, tourism and the ecosystem in the Gulf, and the damage from Hurricane Sandy, I do not support drilling off the Virginia coast. The potential for jobs is not worth the potential for the spoilage and tax dollars to fix the mess.  (Same with Uranium mining while we are on the subject.)</p>
<p>And Robert, you are truly dreaming if you believe anything will &#8220;lower our taxes&#8221; or &#8220;increase our economy 10 foold&#8221;.  We do not have the refinery capacity for the oil we process now BTW.  </p>
<p>There is no boon without a bust and no opportunity without risk.  I hope never to see oil rigs off our coast.  </p>
<p>3 We all &#8220;support prosals for the longterm stabilization of social security and medicare&#8221; but I disagree completely that such is what has been offered from the GOTP.  The &#8220;Obamacare&#8221; &#8220;taxes and fines&#8221; are not going to have any impact on &#8220;the healthcare industry as a whole&#8221;. They are to force people to make the needed insurance coverage a reality or join the exchanges to help pay for what they get.  The health care industry does not care WHO pays, insurance, government or patients, as long as they are paid.  The insurance rules, the exchange rules, the Medicare and Medicaid rules are where the savings and changes for the good will come from as it will no longer be just us against them.  </p>
<p>As to the point about smokers, they are already paying more for insurance and in 2014 that can be up to 50 percent higher premiums according to my research so yes, back that &#8220;double&#8221; up with some sources.  Smokers cost more in health care, especially end of life, it is not just because people don&#8217;t like them. I hope this helps many people quit smoking.  Most insurance companies and even some businesses offer free help in quitting already.</p>
<p>If there is any &#8220;penalty&#8221; it is self-inflicted.  </p>
<p>4. I support the current Immigration Reform as I understand it. I know that immigrants pay payroll taxes and Social Security and Medicare they will never be able to draw on.  I do not know if you have all of your facts correct, but I am not interested in arguing about what immigrants are &#8220;given&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://www.neighborhood-centers.org/page.aspx?PageID=330#taxes" rel="nofollow">http://www.neighborhood-centers.org/page.aspx?PageID=330#taxes</a></p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW Robert, commenting on this blog is a form of public debate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Robert, commenting on this blog is a form of public debate.</p>
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