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Sunday, May 19, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
I want to start with this quote which is so relevant to today:
“There is no greater threat to tyranny than armed men, no greater cause than freedom and no greater pulpit than the Internet”….Thomas Jefferson, 1801.
Breaking News: Blacksburg to get IMAX Theater. Roanoke to get 3 new Super Wal-Marts and 4 more Golden Corrals.
George Huguely’s family amazes me. If he were my son, the last thing I’d be doing is yapping to the press. He reminds me exactly of the Matthew McConnaghay (sp) movie where he’s defending Ryan Phillippe from one crime when he becomes aware that he’s guilty of another murder. The mother’s first reaction? “Get my son out of jail!”
Rand Paul For President!
Well, at this point, I like his politics. And I especially like his line of questioning directed to billary this a.m.
This might give government officials a taste of how gun control legislation might cause more problems than help..
http://blogs.roanoke.com/wildlife/2013/01/exhibitors-bailing-en-masse-from-harrisburg-outdoor-show/
#3 Well now I know Rand Paul is way out there. With folks that think like you do I hope the GOP picks someone like him next time. Keep it going your doing fine you’ll keep the GOP out of the White House for the next 8 years.
In terms determining who lied to the American people regarding the post Benghazi narative, the simplist approach is who would have been motivation to fabricate the story. The answer: Barack Obama and David Axlerod…not Hillary Clinton. At the time, Obama was in a very close Presidetial race and Romney was trending ahead. One of Obama’s perceived strenghts was his war on Al Queda. So, he had the motivation and the power to contol the storyline which deflected Al Queda’s involvement…at least in the short term Susan Rice sacraficed her career for Obama. In most cases like this, the most obvious explanation is the correct one, although I doubt we will ever expose the truth. Too many people willing to fall on the sword like Hillary did today.
Hillary Clinton is very immpresive in a multitude of ways. I thought she was very open in regards to her responsibilies while still covering Obama’s rear end. I imagine she would have able to work with Congress and actually solve some of the problems we face today if the Dem powers that be had to good sense to nominate her over our current Class Warfare Warrior-In-Cheif.
I read your link pete, please tell me who the heck these two people are. “celebrities such as Lee and Tiffany Lakosky”
They must be D-grade celebrities, I’ve never heard of either one of them.
obama, Mugabe, Castro Chavez …All ruled by stolen elections. Sometimes in our earthly impatience it seems like God allows those with ill-gotten gain to prosper longer than we like. But evil always fails in the end. And each of these four regimes will ultimately fall in shame, and all four will be remembered as a blight on civilization.
Unfortunately, America has a lot of misery to endure yet. So many have turned their backs on God and supported this ungodly regime, I believe the worst is yet to come. The Russians endured pure evil for 70 years. Why should it be better for us?
My bad…”In terms OF determining” would have been the proper first line to my post.
I Googled them, they’re only “celebrities” to people who watch their hunting show.
I meant to post it here, but posted it on a different open thread by mistake:
Just watched an NBC News video report stating that, contrary to a slew of news reporting that has gone on, an AR-15 was not used in Newtown…Lanza used 4 handguns. The AR-15 was in his car. He also tried to buy a rifle in Danbury, CT back on December 11th before the shooting, and was denied.
Carry on.
Interesting Pistol Pete. It is funny to see the hunters and sportsmen bleed for the NRA because I cannot count the times the gun advocates have specifically pointed out that there is no right to hunt and sports shoot in the Constitution when they are on a tear. They are more than willing to throw hunters and sportsmen under the bus when it suits them. I am sure they appreciate YOUR solidarity though.
Perhaps this has been discussed here, but did every note the mass shootings yesterday in Texas were on a campus where guns are banned? Reminds us of the Newtown shootings that occurred in a state with among the strictest gun laws in the country.
Debbie, I’ll give you one guess why Tiffany would be a “celebrity” with the mostly male hunting crowd.
Your search “There is no greater threat to tyranny than armed men, no greater cause than freedom and no greater pulpit than the Internet”….Thomas Jefferson, 1801. – did not match any documents.
But I’m guessing you already knew that Henry.
I agree with Bill Hudson. I hope the Republicans nominate Rand Paul in 2016 with Michelle Bachmann as his running mate.
Now tell me again that there is no “gun culture”?
“To Believers, guns have become fetish objects in American popular culture, having magical potency. Witness Bushmaster Firearms’ advertising its .223 caliber AR-15—Newtown killer Adam Lanza’s weapon—with the slogan: “Consider your Man Card reissued.”
http://www.nationalmemo.com/newtown-truthers-follow-the-nras-playbook/
Or that your armchair instincts will be sufficient?
“…the research on actual gunfights, the kind that happen not in a politician’s head but in fluorescent-lit stairwells and strip-mall restaurants around America, reveals something surprising. Winning a gunfight without shooting innocent people typically requires realistic, expensive training and a special kind of person, a fact that has been strangely absent in all the back-and-forth about assault-weapon bans and the Second Amendment.”
http://swampland.time.com/2013/01/16/your-brain-in-a-shootout-guns-fear-and-flawed-instincts/
Well now I know Rand Paul is way out there. With folks that think like you do I hope the GOP picks someone like him next time. Keep it going your doing fine you’ll keep the GOP out of the White House for the next 8 years.
I look for Rand Paul to get thoroughly destroyed by the CPUSA/MSM in the next few years. Paul is the most attractive candidate out there. He would make a GREAT president.
I am hopeful God will see fit thwart the evil people who smear and destroy good men, and deliver us a great president to turn this giant mess around and restore America. Unfortunately, we may not deserve it yet.
Hey bill hudson.
Good post. I think your post shows that you’ve got more than your fair share of smarts. I suggest you share some with your fellow libbers…you know, bring’em up to your level.
I agree with Bill Hudson. I hope the Republicans nominate Rand Paul in 2016 with Michelle Bachmann as his running mate.
It’s hard to imagine why the president of a Catholic university would support an administration that undermines Catholicism and which causes charitable donations to decline. Unless it’s the “infiltrate religions and educational institutions from within” agenda that the Communist Party outlined more than 50 years ago.
“In terms determining who lied to the American people regarding the post Benghazi narative, the simplist approach is who would have been motivation to fabricate the story. The answer: Barack Obama and David Axlerod . . .In most cases like this, the most obvious explanation is the correct one, although I doubt we will ever expose the truth. Too many people willing to fall on the sword like Hillary did today.”
–Comment by Another Chuck
As long as we’re doing some mind-reading (examining motivations), let’s examine the ones Hillary had for her statements today in which Another Chuck alleges she fell on her sword by telling lies. What would her motives be for that?
1. She’s afraid if she doesn’t lie for the president, he’ll fire her. Ooops, no, that one is no good because she already has resigned.
2. She believes that lying to Congress is the best way to further her own political ambitions for the White House. Oops, no, that one doesn’t work too well, either. There is an investigation underway, and if that public report later materially “exposes her lies,” her political enemies will use it against her.
3. She has a deep and abiding admiration for Barack Obama and would never say anything that could harm him poltically. Uh, no, that doesn’t wash either. Hell, it was Hillary’s campaign that first broached the birth certificate conspiracy.
Hmmmm.
pp, looked at your link. Who cares? How are “problems” being caused? And considering the gun show bloodbath last weekend, I’d say there are bigger problems than vendors pulling out.
Henry, I see your Thomas Jefferson quote and raise you an Abe Lincoln quote:
“Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet just because there is a picture with a quote next to it.” ~ Abraham Lincoln
My favorite Lincoln quote actually. Wasn’t it part of the Gettysburg address?
Gun bans don’t disarm criminals, gun bans attract them. – Walter Mondale
It may be that the video I watched is dated though, I coudln’t find a timestamp and watching from my phone, made it a bit tricky to find more about it. Sometimes, I hate the internet.
Perhaps this has been discussed here, but did every note the mass shootings yesterday in Texas were on a campus where guns are banned?
There wasn’t a mass shooting in Texas yesterday.
What would her motives be for that?
#2 fits. I think the vain old hag still thinks she can be president. She knows it doesn’t matter if she lies because the CPUSA/MSM won’t make her pay a price for it. Also, there is little the DNC cheating machine can’t overcome.
Regarding the IMAX coming to Blacksburg…now that’s something that will be welcomed, hopefully. The First & Main site has been sorely underutilized since it was opened…with it staying perpetually half-empty. The adversarial nature of the Council toward the project and outparcel development tanked several proposals, and the hold-ups in development time meant that when it opened, the market was tanking.
Hopefully, the IMAX theater becomes reality and gains approval from the Town so it can proceed. But given how the Town is, I’ll believe it’s coming when they have permits in hand and ground is broken…
40 years and 55 million+ dead babies since Roe V Wade and no outrage.
The same people who want to take away the right to bear arms (supposedly to prevent further tragedies like Sandy Hook), seem to care nothing about the approx 3,288 innocent babies that will be killed today in American abortion mills.
180movie.com It just might change your mind.
Suzie,
I agree, it’s puzzling. Maybe it’s because he’s feeling guilty about once being a moderate republican, …and that he’s rich.
Other John, did they say why that directly disputes what the state police released?
http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?A=4226&Q=517284
Suzie, you ever noticed how many people get arrested for cocaine possession even though it is banned… on every square inch of this country! So since people are going to use cocaine, we should just let Jimmy Swaggart and his gang of prostitutes continue its use…?
Where is your logic? The only thing I can gather is you are saying people are going to do it anyway so why make it illegal. If that is your line of BS, then why is your people still fighting Gay marriage? If people are going to have gay sex,and ruin your muddled definition of family, why not make it legal in the eyes of our secular union and in the eyes of your imaginary friend?
If people are going to have abortions, why try to make it illegal?
Next time you are at mass, see what you can do about getting an 11th commandment pushed through for me since you want to be all pious, “Thou Shalt Not Rape any living thing”. I think its a great revision… You think?
Go back to sleep Will R, no one is trying to “take away the right to bear arms”, but your obsession with taking away the right to choose what happens in your own womb is frightening.
Dan,Hillary will likely make Presidential run in 2016. I doubt she would want to burn the Obama bridge of influence. If not for that, I wouldn’t have been surprised if she blew up the story. But, as I indicated earlier, Hillary is a very bright woman. I maintain my common sense explantion of what most likely occured.
Re: Other John @ 12:28 pm
Also see: http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495
Re: my last.
Hit send too soon. If that is the one, it was “Aired on December 15, 2012.”
So if state Senate Repubs have their way, Roanoke voters will now be in a district with Craig, Pulaski, Bland and Wytheville counties? Well, the Rpeubs know they can’t win fairly, so they resort to underhanded tricks. Call the governor’s office and express your disgust.
So is your contention that the new efforts to ban these AR-15 type guns was solely based on Newtown Connecticut killer’s use of one? If this is all only about banning the guns he used, it would have included a lot more than just the military styled assault rifles in the first place, wouldn’t it? You are claiming a causation that does not exist IMO.
In other words, absent any facts, Another Chuck will cling to what he thinks and that is really all that matters. Who knew?
AC,
The “Obama bridge of influence,” such as it is, is limited to when he’s on the ballot. Consider the difference in 2008 and 2012, when Democrats made gains in Congress in each of those years, compared to 2010, when they lost seats.
Newsflash: He’s not running in 2016.
funny, billary lies just as easily as slick willy!
All the Newtown Truthers are spamming that old video everywhere. Even FreeRepublic has started removing threads with it.
Oh and you’ll notice the police have the same “dangerous assault weapon” which they planned to use to defend the school.
“So is your contention that the new efforts to ban these AR-15 type guns was solely based on Newtown Connecticut killer’s use of one? If this is all only about banning the guns he used, it would have included a lot more than just the military styled assault rifles in the first place, wouldn’t it?”
What are the efforts based on?
AR-15s are used in a very low percentage of crimes compared to other guns (guns which are not on any list to potentially ban). They just don’t get the same media treatment.
Rand Paul’s comment to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton this am:
“I think that ultimately with your leaving you accept culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11. And I really mean that. Had I been President at the time, and I found that you did not read the cables from Benghazi, you did not read the cables from Ambassador Stevens, I would have relieved you of your post.”
I wonder if Rand Paul would have said the same of the Bush Administration’s handling of the August 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing – entitled “Bin Laden determined to strike in US” – five weeks before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001? On August 7, 2001, George Bush went to Crawford, Texas, on a one-month holiday. According to Condoleeza Rice’s testimony in front of the 9/11 commission: “Had we thought there was an attack coming in Washington or New York, we would have moved heaven and earth to stop it.” I guess the memo was just too darn ambiguous…
Seems a little disingenuous of the republicans trying to demonized Hillary Clinton over Benghazi, being the same ones who never did the same hand wringing with C.Rice’s failure – guys like John McCain and Lindsey Graham. Whatever happened to – “what’s good for the goose [Rice] is good for the gander [Clinton]“? Answer: hypocrisy and politics.
Back to another one of my continuing rants — the CSI effect on justice.
http://tinyurl.com/afukamx
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Second Massachusetts state chemist accused of tampering
By Laura Ly, CNN
updated 7:29 PM EST, Sun January 20, 2013
(CNN) — A second Massachusetts state chemist in just a few months has been accused of mishandling drug evidence, the attorney general’s office said Sunday.
Sonja Farak, 35, who worked at the Massachusetts State Crime Laboratory in Amherst, was arrested at her Northampton home Saturday night by Massachusetts State Police and is facing two counts of tampering with evidence, one count of possession of a Class A substance, and one count of possession of a Class B Substance, according to Attorney General Martha Coakley. Farak remained in jail Sunday, the attorney general’s office said.
“We allege that this chemist tampered with evidence, placing the integrity of that evidence in question,” Coakley said in a statement.
SNIP
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My assumption, and no one has proved it wrong yet, is that the reason the ban is under consideration is that such guns are weapons of terror, have been implicated in several mass shootings and they are the least justifiable firearm in our society. If this was only about guns used in crime then we would naturally seek to ban handguns wouldn’t we?
Newsflash: He’s not running in 2016.
Comment by Dan Casey — January 23, 2013 @ 2:07 pm
Are you sure? A well placed speech by Obama could help Hillary, just like Bill Clinton helped Obama this election. Sandi, you are correct, I have no facts because the White House will not give us any. They aren’t even able to tell us where the marching orders originated from to perpetuate the false story about rioters run amok which went on for at least 10 days. So, we are left to form our own conclusions. Obama had motive and the means to carry out this lie. 4 people died. I do get the feeling this will be materially tied back to Obama and,or Axelrod.
And yet Dave Hicks, you have never mentioned lobbying for better law enforcement procedures, fighting “Homeland Security” authority, the Patriot Act or the total erosion of the rest of the Bill of Rights.
I repeat myself I know, but THIS is pet rant of mine. Let’s once and for all, put this lying sack of BS about “liberty” and “freedom” in the sink hole where it belongs? I am past sick of you, John Wilburn, Jack and P. Van Cleave pretending that your “lobby” efforts are about “rights” and “liberty” and “freedom”. That is pure BS and backed by nothing. You brag about going to Richmond or DC or calling your Congress critter over GUNS. Nothing else, nothing more, nothing. Nothing.
The time to go to Richmond, DC or a Congress critter was fighting “The Patriot Act”. Fighting the TSA, fighting “Homeland Security” FGS! Name the times you have urged “lobby day” on the ever intrusive acts of “law enforcement” and those “fighting terrorists” from 2001 thru 2008. Sure it is easy to beat up on Obama for the same things you previously ignored, but let’s get real. The boat has sailed.
Your claims to be fighting for rights, liberty and freedom are just plain BS. You are fighting for your guns because in small little minds they compensate for all else that has been lost. Lost to the bad guys and to the good guys, but lost nonetheless. As Bill Maher said so eloquently, “You see, the Redcoats — they never wanted your gun. They wanted your liberty. And that’s why the Founding Fathers said you could have the gun, dumbass! And now the only right we have left is the guns, and nothing left to use the guns to protect! We’re like a strip club with a million bouncers and no strippers!”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/19/maher-its-not-your-second-amendment-rights-that-are-under-attack-its-all-the-other-ones/
#20 I really don’t have the foggiest idea what you mean there. Just being a liberal does not mean you are misinformed. I just take what a person says and where he or she is coming from. Be they right, left or whatever.
My feeling is the GOP keeping digging themselves a deeper hole and then wonders how they got there. Or as Tom Waits would say and I am paraphrasing here, They are like driving hell bent for the cliff and looking in the rear-view.
Looks like Dan’s Blog is not the only site having civility problems.
http://www.scross.co.za/2013/01/scorched-earth-catholics/
Wow. So no assault weapon were used at Sandy Hook? I did not know that. I have been out of town so much I haven’t kept up with the news.
Well now it looks like 0bama and all the liberals owe the NRA and the American people a giant apology.
“We apologize. We are removing all legislative attempts at assault weapon because we were WRONG.”
My assumption, and no one has proved it wrong yet, is that the reason the ban is under consideration is that such guns are weapons of terror, have been implicated in several mass shootings and they are the least justifiable firearm in our society.
Your side LIED about assault weapons at Sandy Hook, Sandi. Your only honorable path now is to apologize and slink away.
Sandi – so it’s ok to kill a baby as long as it is still “in your own womb”?
And BTW my “obsession” is protecting innocent life. Is that not why you are “obsessed” with banning so called assault weapons?
ahhhh hillary what a liar, almost as good as her old man but she should practice more, lets see what other catastrophe can she ignore so more people will die ?
Taking cues from you on what is an “honorable path” is just laughable Suzie. If you have yet to “slink away”, no one on the planet should.
Wow – Does Bill Maher ever say anything “eloquently”?
Wow – as always there is always one who is most ill-informed.
@ #52 and #53 Comment by Suzie — January 23, 2013 @ 2:35 and 2:36 pm
NEWTOWN, Conn. – The weapon “utilized most of the time” during Friday’s Connecticut school shooting was a Bushmaster AR-15 “assault-type weapon,” Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance said Sunday afternoon.
Adam Lanza fired “hundreds of bullets” from “multiple magazines” from the Bushmaster during the massacre, Vance said. Lanza killed himself with a handgun.” http://tinyurl.com/a4vjxya
I guess the CT state police are conspiring with “0bama and all the liberals”…
Most accurate statement in the above numbered posts, ” I have been out of town so much I haven’t kept up with the news.”
Doesn’t your mothership get a newspaper?
Will R, I do not think that “ok” is the correct word for what “it” is. Abortion is legal and allowable under our laws. Until that changes, it is none of your business unless it is your womb. It is none of my business unless it is my womb. I fight abortion by working to have a society that helps make a woman want to choose life. That is all I can, in good conscience, do.
If we are going to “force” people to behave, think, or believe as we want, I do not think you will like what happens.
For any gun rights advocate to rail against abortion rights is just an odd, odd thing to me.
Not often Will R, but in that case, he did.
Go Rand Frank–er Rand Paul.!!!~
4.Rand Paul For President!
Well, at this point, I like his politics. And I especially like his line of questioning directed to billary this a.m.
Comment by Frank — January 23, 2013 @ 11:19 am
This is every Democrats wet dream. Rand Paul as the Republican nominee for President in 2016! That 33% of the vote that he will get and the millions of Republicans who will stay home will finish off the Tea Party
for good and give Democrats control of the White House and likely the Senate and the House for the next 8 years after that. Meaning at last we can get something positive done for a change. So I’m with you Frank. Please nominate Rand Paul. Please!
Wasn’t Rand Paul’s son just arrested for getting drunk (underage) and attacking a flight attendant? Maybe Rand needs to direct more attention to raising his family…certainly makes you wonder about that family.
Comment by Will R — January 23, 2013 @ 2:44 pm
“And BTW my “obsession” is protecting innocent life. Is that not why you are “obsessed” with banning so called assault weapons?”
Will, you seem very selective in the protection of “innocent life”.
Aren’t you at all concerned with US children who are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and 9 times more likely to die in a firearm accident compared to children in other countries , according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
RWers – pro life, right up to the point of being born.
My contention Sandi is that when you devalue life at any stage it leads to situations like Sandy Hook. I do not believe that gun legislation is the answer to our nation’s ills. When a society fails to protect its most innocent and vulnerable members how can it expect tragic events like Sandy Hook not to happen?
And just because something is legal does not make it right. The very weapons you seek to ban are “legal” but you obviously do not believe they should be. Maybe in your opinion the SCOTUS should rule the legality of such weapons unconstitutional. That way folks that agree with you can get their way without actually having to go through the legislative process .
“For any gun rights advocate to rail against abortion rights is just an odd, odd thing to me.”
Personally, I don’t.
I have also gone to Richmond to lobby for women’s reproductive rights. My mother does it even more (easier for her, since she lives in Richmond).
And BTW Sandi – for any abortion rights advocate to rail against gun rights is just an odd, odd thing to me. Killing is killing, no?
To quote the great John Prine, “and Jesus don’t like killin’, no matter what the reason for”.
And I find it interesting that anyone who thinks guys like Rush Limbaugh are sexist would defend anything Bill Maher says.
The juxtaposition between “Obama is taking advantage of the dead children in Newtown to drive through his anti-gun agenda” and the “4 DEAD AMERICANS” (4 months ago) is interesting. Since Libya we had hundreds and probably thousands dead at the hands of violence right here at home. But some display spectacular lack of interest in that. I guess it’s only important to worry about violence against Americans when it’s possible to slander Hillary Clinton.
Meaning at last we can get something positive done for a change
More and more debt, Greece style. But that doesn’t faze you. It’s not your money.
Taking cues from you on what is an “honorable path” is just laughable Suzie. If you have yet to “slink away”, no one on the planet should.
Don’t try to turn it around on me with a personal attack. You people LIED when you said an assault-style weapon killed those kids. LIED. How should you NOT apologize for that?
“My assumption, and no one has proved it wrong yet, is that the reason the ban is under consideration is that such guns are weapons of terror, have been implicated in several mass shootings and they are the least justifiable firearm in our society. If this was only about guns used in crime then we would naturally seek to ban handguns wouldn’t we?”
If I had a gun pointed at me, I’m am certain I would be terrified regardless of the type of gun. A lethal weapon is a lethal weapon, and dead is dead. Any weapon in the hand of a murderer is a weapon of terror. I’d be just as terrified of someone wielding a bow and arrow, if their objective was to kill me with it.
There are a lot of things people in our society can own that are not justifiable, if by justifiable we mean widely useful or necessary. However, before we collectively decide that no one should be able to own something, we should have a justifiable reason. The fact that handguns are used in far more violent crimes than AR-15s, yet the plan is to ban AR-15s and not handguns, doesn’t make sense to me.
I thought the goal was to implement a plan that actually reduced gun deaths. Why are we then targeting guns that historically have been implicated in relatively few gun deaths, and leaving the most commonly used ones alone?
I’m not advocating for a ban on handguns, just trying to make sense of this particular effort.
Snarky spiel regarding the second amendment aside, I love Bill Maher.
Bishop Apologizes For Role in Hiding Priest Abuse
“Thousands of pages from the internal disciplinary files of 14 priests made public Monday show retired Los Angeles Archdiocese Cardinal Roger Mahony and other top aides maneuvered behind the scenes to shield molester priests and provide damage control for the church.
Some of the documents provide the strongest evidence to date that Mahony and another key official worked to protect a priest who revealed in therapy sessions that he had raped an 11-year-old boy and abused up to 17 boys.
[...]
The files of dozens more accused priests are expected to be released in the coming weeks as part of a 2007 settlement agreement with more than 500 alleged victims. A judge recently ruled that the church must turn the files over to attorneys for those people without the names and titles of members of the church hierarchy blacked out after The Associated Press and the Los Angeles Times intervened.”
http://tinyurl.com/anlqb6a
I came here to post the clip from Real Time with Bill Maher and the fact that Sandi Saunders of all the groundlings posted it before I did gives me hope.
Carry on.
hey wayne,
speaking of wet dreams, i know you folks are also looking forward to a tandom of billary and ol’ vpjoe. who gets on top of that ticket, eh?
Below is a statement issued by the Connecticut State Police on January 18, 2013 about the weapons used during the Newtown Elementary School shootings. The Pete Williams video linked earlier on this thread was shown on December 15, 2012. This statement clearly states that one of the weapons used and found inside the school was a Bushmaster 223 semi automatic weapon.
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/31221-update-state-police-confirm-weapons-used-in-newtown-shootings/
Given all the hullabaloo about natural gas, I thought the article linked below was interesting.
http://www.businessinsider.com/2012-ferc-report-green-power-growth-2013-1
So on Monday Va. Republicans wait until one Democrat Senator is missing for a day to attend a historic event to ram through their new redistricting plan designed to cut out at least one and maybe two Democrats from the Senate. Now today they jam out of committee a bill to allot electoral votes by Congressional district which would have given Romney, who lost the state by over 200000 votes, 9 of the 13 electoral votes. It’s time to throw these bums out and replace them with people who believe in the principles of democracy.
“Wasn’t Rand Paul’s son just arrested for getting drunk (underage) and attacking a flight attendant? Maybe Rand needs to direct more attention to raising his family…certainly makes you wonder about that family.”
I heard the silly flight attendant and him were arguing over Atlas Shrugged. The flight attendant shrugged off the book, so to speak, did not pay it the fealty Paul’s son believed it deserves. Outrageous! Many would say that flight attendant deserved a beatdown.
(No such thing as “underage” in a libertarian utopia).
“You people LIED when you said an assault-style weapon killed those kids. LIED. How should you NOT apologize for that?”
Suze, Lanza used an Ar-15. Your silly attempts to argue otherwise, based on a comment OJ posted that he almost immediately took back, just make you look bad. The only lie is coming from you, by perpetuating OJ’s error.
“…certainly makes you wonder about that family.”
The whole lot of them are nucking futz.
#73 It is no surprize there. When I was behind those walls I can tell you at least in my circles they knew from the top down on down.They just moved them around.
Suze, Lanza used an Ar-15. Your silly attempts to argue otherwise, based on a comment OJ posted that he almost immediately took back, just make you look bad.
You mean the MSM got it wrong, and you’re trying to blame me? That sounds familiar. That’s what Gdad tried to do.
Glad to see fatima is back to his old self, he had me worried. Not.
“Wasn’t Rand Paul’s son just arrested for getting drunk (underage) and attacking a flight attendant?
Oh, so the attack points have already been distributed about Rand?
How about the one where obama drove drunk and smoked weed all through high school and college, and was raised and mentored by communists all through life? Oh, that’s right, he CPUSA/MSM didn’t care about far worse offenses if it’s a commie lib.
Bishop Apologizes For Role in Hiding Priest Abuse
Wow. The bad actions of a few caused Hillary to stop believing in God.
“To quote the great John Prine, “and Jesus don’t like killin’, no matter what the reason for”.”
Maybe not, but God sure doesn’t seem to mind it. There’s plenty of examples of murdering children in the Bible. Sometimes God does it himself, sometimes he tells someone else to do it.
bush2, Mugabe, Castro Chavez …All ruled by stolen elections.
There, fixed.
Sandi Saunders — January 23, 2013 @ 2:31 pm
Just because there are no rallies, or just because I have not mentioned it doesn’t mean that I have not discussed various freedoms with my elected representatives — in person and/or by email. Your assumptions are unfounded.
It is clear that I keep bring up a number of issues other that the RKBA on this blog.
Tell you what. You organize a “lobby day” in Richmond, DC or with a Congressional critter who was fighting the CSI effect or facing a vote on it and I’ll join you.
Your claims that it is mandatory to be fighting for all rights, liberty and freedom equally and simultaneously is just plain BS. I want the goverment out of the bedroom and boardroom. Do you support both those agenda equally? If not why not?
Will R, if indeed your “contention” is that the problem is “when you devalue life at any stage it leads to situations like Sandy Hook”. Then your gripe goes back to Biblical time and has little to do with modern liberals supporting a woman’s right to determine her own reproductive choice.
I happen not to believe that “gun legislation” or any other “is the answer to our nation’s ills”. A society will have ills. That is the nature of a society. Always has been, always will be. That is neither here nor there.
Until a fetus is born it is not a member of “society”, its host is. That is where the disconnect is. You choose to support the fetus, I choose to support the host. Our society does much “to protect its most innocent and vulnerable members” but nowhere near enough or mothers would not still be choosing abortion as their choice. You rail against the very programs that might make a difference so you have no standing IMO. When a society makes war on innocent women and children, it has no grounds to rail against abortion. “Killing is killing…”
There is nothing that makes an unwanted pregnancy “right”. It is a bad situation for all involved and again, like it or loath it, the choice of abortion is legal, allowed and not your business.
If you are going to argue about what is “right” in every instance, you will need to stop blogging, your insults, and misinformation about others is surely not right.
I am free to fight to ban weapons I think should not be in society and you are free to fight to ban abortion. I believe the SC will have to rule on both issues but that will hardly end the debate any more than it did before.
When the fetus starts being responsible for mass shootings, i.e. affecting society the way guns do, you will at least have a leg to stand on in denying a personal freedom while defending a purchase.
Re: Sandi Saunders @ 2:57 pm
Per my last, have ever see a comment from me railing against abortion rights or any other individual rights?
Dave Hicks, you completely misunderstand. I make no “claims that it is mandatory to be fighting for all rights, liberty and freedom equally and simultaneously”. YOU and several of the gun advocates have given the impression that is what you are fighting for not just guns. Even to the point of mocking people who do not “join” you.
Absolutely, I want the government “out of the bedroom”, it cannot however get out of the boardroom or the marketplace for obvious reasons. It is imperative for a society to have laws and regulations and policy and oversight and control in areas where people appear to have little regard for how their actions affect others.
The right to own and bear guns is a Constitutional right. The right to purchase any gun you like, when you like, how you like for what you like, is not. How that shakes out in new legislation, I do not know, but I will not consider the control of the gun marketplace an infringement of the constitution. Nor will I consider gun advocates to be the people fighting for or supporting our freedom, liberty or rights as a whole.
Sandi, re: 6:04
I understand your position.
Would you therefore support legislation that replaces the term “fetus” with “a member of society”?
I am sure you will have the support of every potential dead beat dad who wants to beat his pregnant mate to abortion so that he has no, long term, financial responsibility (only a misdemeanor to be gone in a couple of years). I could go on but it only gets more disgusting…?
Your “enlightened” thoughts???
What kind if blithering moron is Rand Paul? Benghazi was the worst disaster since “9-11″? It wasn’t even the worst disaster of 2012. It probably wasn’t the worst disaster in September. Sad to see politicians jumping up and down on the back of Chris Stevens in a failed attempt to smear Hillary Clinton.
2002 – US consulate in Karachi attacked. 10 dead
2004 – US embassy in Uzbekistan attacked 2 killed
2004 – US embassy in Saudi Arabia attacked 8 dead
2006 – US embassy in Syria attacked. 1 dead
2008 – US embassy in Serbia set on fire
2008 – US embassy in Yemen attacked. 10 dead
Fail. Our embassies were kill zones under Bush. And I’m sure in 4 years President Clinton will be acutely aware of the security challenges our people oversea face and will give them appropriate attention.
Bill Maher can be as vile as a human being can be, that does not make what he said in this instance not the truth. It was not him I was defending, it is the sentiment.
I define “justifiable” as not harming society or having a negative effect on society. I do not think that you can claim “widely useful or necessary” in relation to owning an AR-15 style gun or 30 round magazine, but that alone is not enough to ban them. Considering the prices on the things, they have already been priced out of many owners hands. IMO they should have always been under the auspices of the Class III dealers like machine guns and other weapons are.
Since this blog is not a legislature and the NRA owns many a pol, I have no doubt that “before we collectively decide” anything, there will be a huge national dialog and a vote taken. That too is how a society of laws operates. We do not wait for unanimous consent. People like me, who think these guns and ammo need to at least be reclassified or banned, may well lose, we certainly appear to be out numbered and funded.
Yes, “handguns are used in far more violent crimes than AR-15s” for obvious reasons, but handguns are also far more prevalent and have far less machismo and terror attached and they remain anyone’s idea of “arms” under the Constitution, which I still believe matters. I do not know that anything has to make sense to us all for it to be made law.
Banning these guns and ammo clips cannot be guaranteed to reduce gun deaths, but there are showing up too often at mass shootings and with those angry citizen tyranny fighters to ignore. Why not target the scary guns that not so many people even have, none need and will not upset the whole self-defense theme? I have no doubt that at some point in the future the gun deaths will have another plan forming for guns that historically have been implicated most commonly.
Rand Paul said today that the death of a U.S. Ambassador and three paid security specialists who knowingly put themselves in harm’s way is the greatest tragedy suffered by America since 9/11.. Greater than Va.Tech?
Greater than Katrina? Greater than Joplin Mo.? Greater than Tucson Ariz.?
Greater than Aurora Colo.? Greater than Hurricane Sandy? Greater than
Newtown?. Rand Paul is nuts.
Gun threads; suz was against ‘em before she was for ‘em.
Or something.
Aurora and Newtwon were worse disasters than Benghazi, too. I don’t think we’ll be hearing from Rand Paul about those, however. They raise other questions he would rather avoid.
“Doesn’t your mothership get a newspaper?
Comment by Hillary”
Maybe not, but God sure doesn’t seem to mind it. There’s plenty of examples of murdering children in the Bible. Sometimes God does it himself, sometimes he tells someone else to do it.
Yawn. Like I said, the atheists can only bring up the OT. Firing anything else but blanks, people?
Since when is a Bushmaster .223 NOT an assault rifle? Someone’s lying about the weapons used at Sandy Hook, but it isn’t gun control proponents.
Someone’s lying about the weapons used at Sandy Hook,
Apparently it’s MSNBC that lied. On which side do they fall? lol.
Rand Paul doesn’t give a rats butt about the people who died in Benghazi. None of them do. It’s just about ganging up on Hillary.
Glad to see Suzie is back to his old self, she had me worried. Not
Like Jesus did, I still tell people off when they need it. As I did you last week.
Dan R.
There was some initial confusion in the media about the type of gun used. The coroner later confirmed that all the deaths except for the shooter were caused by “the long weapon.”
Mike O, your semantic games are as boring as your support for women. Get over yourself and leave women in desperate situations alone.
I think Rand Paul’s fantasy presidency was worse than his ignorant accusations.
Art,
The police confirmed it also. Some people apparently haven’t gotten the news – or are willfully spreading misinformation to further their cause.
Whatever you hear from fringe lunatics or liars, though, a Bushmaster AR-15 WAS used at Sandy Hook.
Louisiana Senator Wants to Know if E. Coli Could Evolve Into a Human
They were debating a Senate bill aimed at repealing the Louisiana Science Education Act, which requires the teaching of creationism along with evolution in public schools. It failed in committee, big surprise.
I can’t believe suzie q just neckpuked 4 times that an assault rifle wasn’t used at Sandy Hook to murder children. The ol’ gal’s really outdone herself this time. Just when you think she’s hit rock bottom she dives even deeper into the sewer.
The only honorable path for her now is to apologize and slink away.
How can somebody be wrong 4 times in same thread?
“Glad to see Suzie is back to his old self…”
Freudian slip.
I can think of a few people who might be the descendants of e.coli.
Christmas comes two months in a row!
From the VA-ALERT:
“Today, in the Courts of Justice committee, anti-gun Senator Marsh’s SB 1001, a bill to close the non-existent “gun show loophole” (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSE), was KILLED by a vote of 8 to 7!… There are still some pro-gun Senate bills alive, but all the anti-gun Senate bills are now dead.”
I can’t believe suzie q just neckpuked 4 times that an assault rifle wasn’t used at Sandy Hook to murder children.
Here is the link
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495
You’re saying MSNBC is wrong? LOL.
I’m loving this. I’m getting leftwingers to admit MSNBC, their flagship network, is a lying worthless piece of crap.
Jesus has come back ..
His name is Susie.
Hooda thunk.
Ms. Suzie,
The comment I posted at 4:08 today was in response to the comment by Dave Hicks linked below.
Re: Other John @ 12:28 pm
Also see: http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495
Comment by Dave Hicks — January 23, 2013 @ 1:53 pm
The video in the link from Dave H. was originally posted on December 15, 2012. That was less than 24 hours after the event occurred. There were many errors in reporting by a whole host of media sources on the day of the shootings as well as several days afterword.
The article I linked to was a statement from the Connecticut State Police issued on January 18, 2013. Dan’s link, posted at 4:54 this afternoon, was a statement from a conservative website that also indicated that Mr. Lanza had used an assault rifle in the shootings.
NBC News got it wrong on 12/15/12 as did nearly every other network news service in those early days. So what.
It appears that, for you, news networks getting their story wrong is more important the deaths of 20 six & seven year old children, six teachers, the shooter and his mother. That’s nothing but sad.
Excuse me. Dave Hicks link of the NBC News report was broadcast on December 15 not posted on December 15. Sorry for the error.
The MSNBC clip that some more fanatical anti-gunners are seizing on as flimsy evidence aired on Dec. 15. Police later confirmed that an AR-15 was used.
So, the question is, would someone INTENTIONALLY use outdated information to further their cause, or would they do so out of sheer ignorance?
Suzie…
You say “You are hopeful God will see fit”
Do you think he just screws off sometimes..letting
football games and such get in the way of important
decisions.
Dont you think he-d at least have an enlisted man or
a low ranking officer take care of America’s right wing candidates?
Is it only because of the vile democrats that he-s lost interest?
What happened to the last batch of right wing candidates..
What was God up to during that critical hour.
Was He in a private jet heading to some important conference
regarding the neglected 2 percenters.
It might be a good idea to leave him alone.
Im sure if he doesn’t have time for Rand Paul he wont
be coming to your Roanoke Tea Party.
You can still pray though.
Yup!
I posted @ 1:59 pm, “If that is the one, it was ‘Aired on December 15, 2012.’”
Suggesting that the “info” was OBE.
Thanks Dave Hicks. My post about the link was not meant to be critical of you.
It appears that, for you, news networks getting their story wrong is more important the deaths of 20 six & seven year old children, six teachers, the shooter and his mother. That’s nothing but sad.
That’s a pretty insane deduction on your part, Ron considering our respective stances on the sanctity of human life.
But I do enjoy setting up MSNBC for ridicule.
So, the question is, would someone INTENTIONALLY use outdated information to further their cause, or would they do so out of sheer ignorance?
“Outdated information”. I love that. Just like a lib. Blame everybody else because your flagship network was WRONG.
That was just brilliant, suz, brilliant. You real got me. I was such a rube to fall for that.
Say, I got a question for you. Take your time with this; using the same stunning logic you did to “gotcha” me, does the fact that I don’t watch MSNBC change your calculus at all? Can you find one single solitary post I linked to over the past two years to MSNBC? No? Because that might be an important detail to make your flimsy cockamamie little argument work.
Also, if Fox, the Drudge Report and the NRA’s websites didn’t neckpuke the same dopey story as MSNBC did, does it make them just as wrong as MSNBC was right?
Seriously feeble, suz, even for you. You’re just getting starved for attention again.
Yep, suzie is back to spouting lies and BS and trolling.
OMG, suzie, look at this MSM headline attacking conservative Catholic Coach K!!!!!!!!!
“No. 25 Miami mashes on No. 1 Duke”
Can you believe the nerve of those MSM commie libs? Writing a headline like that just because Duke lost by 27 points. I KNOW it’s because Coach K is such a clean conservative Catholic.
Rand Paul backtracks on his “worst tragedy since 9-11″ comment.
OK kids. Time for another trip to warmer climates. It’s just too danged cold up here. I probably won’t have much time to post, but if I do, Dan will be able to verify our location, just like he did (by his silence at my claim) for my postings from out west.
Ta ta.
Seems to me I remember right wingers claiming that Hillary was faking a concussion and that she would never testify. Hmmm.
What I find is hilarious here is that Suzie has had to stick up for MSNBC to make her silly point. That must have been a bitter pill to swallow, ho ho ho.
Suzie: #1 fan of MSNBC on this blog.
Dan, if somebody posts from pigeon forge this weedend, it’ll probably be suz.
Enjoy your absence. We will.
Is there somewhere we can contribute to a fund that lengthens your trip??
FOX News,
…that dastardly scourge and bane of libs, gets usurped by MSNBC.
Go figure.
…and, the beat goes on…, …the beat goes on…
hey dgag,
Hillary didn’t testify yesterday. She stone-walled. And, then she shrieked.
She sounded just as honest and vociferous as ol’ bill did when he looked directly at the American people, and said, “i did not have sex with that…women”.
The clintons are liars.
Frankie, Hillary tore people like Rand Paul a new one. It was great.
Anyway, my point was that folks like you were claiming she would never even appear; that she was faking everything.
Now suzie, please come chastise Frankie for using the wrong name. You get on me every time I do it and Frankie does even more than I do.
“Time for another trip to warmer climates.”
IF (a big if) you truly are going, please take Frankie and addledwood with you.
that was my point entirely, gdad.
bill said the same thing. “she…was faking…everything….”
“Time for another trip to warmer climates.”
We’ve always understood that-by their own criteria-the poster is destined for a warmer climate.
I see Suzie is up to her usual…continue to spread information that’s been proven false, then blame everyone else when she is clearly proven wrong. Somethings never change!
“Time for another trip to warmer climates.” = moving the space heater closer to the computer in the basement
Octavia will be back from Western Kentucky..
and when she gets back everyone WILL pay.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jun/03/octavia-daughter-of-god-review
If God is in a good mood (right mindset)
This should clear up any confusion about what weapon was used during the Newtown shooting.
It should, but it won’t, because much of the ignorance on this issue is willful.
Sandi @ #90- “Our society does much “to protect its most innocent and vulnerable members” but nowhere near enough or mothers would not still be choosing abortion as their choice. You rail against the very programs that might make a difference so you have no standing IMO. When a society makes war on innocent women and children, it has no grounds to rail against abortion. “Killing is killing…””
WHAT!! There are more programs and there is more money being spent than any time in history. Yet incidents like Sandy Hook are on the rise. Specifically which programs have you heard me rail against? Are you talking about tax payer support of abortion mills like Planned Parenthood? PP’s web sight and other “literature” promote immoral life styles and the very behavior that leads to unwanted pregnancy. Imagine that; promoting behavior that results in millions of dollars in profit for PP while collecting tax payer dollars for “family services”. I would call THAT a “war on innocent women and children”. What “war on innocent women and children” are you talking about?
Sandi #90 “When the fetus starts being responsible for mass shootings, i.e. affecting society the way guns do, you will at least have a leg to stand on in denying a personal freedom while defending a purchase.”
The fact that we do not protect “the fetus” (innocent unborn babies) has a tremendously negative affect our society and that makes us all share in the responsibility for mass shootings. Over 3,000 will die today in the US under the guise of “personal freedom”.