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Sunday, May 19, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
Should people like this be tolerated and appreciated?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/cpac-panel-on-race_n_2886132.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Scott Terry, 30, rose from his seat to question the discussion leader, K. Carl Smith, from the Frederick Douglass Republicans, over the role of race in the Republican Party. Terry said that the growth of diversity in the party and outreach to black conservatives has been “at the expense of young, white, Southern males like myself.”
“I think my demographic is being systematically disenfranchised,” Terry said.
Smith responded by telling a story about a letter that abolitionist leader Frederick Douglass wrote to his former slaveowner forgiving him for holding him in servitude.
“For giving him shelter and food?” asked Terry, as some members of the audience gasped and others laughed.
Think Progress reported that Terry later said he supports segregation.
Terry told Think Progress following the panel discussion that he believed that whites have been “systematically disenfranchised” by the federal government. He also told Think Progress he’d “be fine” with a society with blacks subservient to whites. African Americans, he said, should vote in Africa. He claimed the tea party agrees with him.
Terry is not the first Southern Republican in recent months to make comments supporting slavery. Last year, several Republican state legislators in Arkansas endorsed slavery in new books, including one who suggested that the practice “may have been a blessing” for slaves by bringing them to the United States. State GOP leaders pulled support for the candidates.
O the lament of the mediocre white male. Poor Mr Terry was raised to believe that being in that “demographic” alone would suffice to ensure success.
The republican party will eventually become a southern regional party, They have spent the last two presidential elections fighting against “ideas” that most Americans believe in: gays are not bogeymen/women; black Americans are not inferior [see the President of the USA]; women can make their own reproduction decisions, religion does not belong in politics, and insane people really do belong in mental health facilities.
http://tinyurl.com/apy7cd3
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Drones, a violation of Pak. sovereignty: U.N.
Narayan Lakshman
After extensive discussions with officials in Pakistan, a U.N. special envoy has concluded that the U.S.’ drone strikes in the country’s tribal belt constitute a violation of sovereignty.
Though Pakistan has repeatedly denounced these strikes and linked them to rampant anti-U.S. sentiment, some sources, including leaked U.S. State Department cables, have suggested that Pakistani leaders may be tacitly permitting Washington to go after al-Qaeda and Taliban suspects in the border region.However, ambiguity on Pakistani sentiment surrounding U.S. drones appeared to diminish this week when Ben Emmerson, a British lawyer and U.N. Special Rapporteur on Counter-Terrorism and Human Rights, said: “The position of the government of Pakistan is quite clear. It does not consent to the use of drones by the United States on its territory and it considers this to be a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty.”
Citing specific remarks he heard in Pakistan, Mr. Emmerson’s statement noted that Pakistan’s Foreign Affairs Ministry had confirmed “that since mid-2010 [and to date] it has regularly sent notes verbale to the U.S. embassy in Islamabad protesting the use of drones on the territory of Pakistan… requiring the U.S. to cease these strikes immediately.”
High civilian casualties
Mr. Emmerson was said to be investigating whether drone attacks caused disproportionate civilian casualties and in his statement he also argued that “Adult males carrying out ordinary daily tasks were frequently the victims of such strikes.”
Officials reportedly told him that there had been a minimum of 330 drone strikes on Pakistani soil since 2004 and that “Islamabad’s records showed that about 2,200 deaths had been caused by drone strikes and a further 600 people had suffered serious injuries”.
SNIP
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hillary shows her ignorance and knows nothing about conservatives…race card babe- we loved Herman Cain and we adore Ben Carson-wrong again….women do not need to murder unborn children to begin with, why dont they take care of them or refrain, no one said gays are bogeymen, they just don’t deserve special laws or attention. you are so out of touch with what Americans want and clouded by the propaganda that your commie resident speaks….so sad, so pathetic
oh but then I know libbiecoms cant accept responsibility for any of their own actions…waste of my time
“he supports segregation.”
uh dear so did the democratic party..who did you think voted for civil rights, more libbiecom garbage
Debbie I’ll read your link but what you wrote says so much about the GOP and the rise of the TP which is comprised heavily of conservative,white males. Being 2 of 3 of those myself, I can attest to their feeling of estrangement at no longer being the primary voting bloc and thus no longer dictating elections. In that regard their time has come and gone (though Citizens United will continue to alter the voting landscape), thus the whining from whence, in part, the TP evolved. Unfortunately the racism persists and is a very big part of the American white male ethos. To deny it is to deny reality. Any fly on the wall, or any progressive white male mistaken for “one of us”, as has happened with me many, many times, will attest that when a group of solidly conservative white males convene socially the racist humor, the casual off hand racial slurs will soon begin. Oh yeah, and then there’s the misogyny. It is in my opinion a cesspool of ethnocentrism and shortsightedness and it is very real.
Hilary I hope you are right and that the GOP can return to it’s former state.Right now it’s looneyville…
Scott Whitaker, I didn’t write that, it was a copy and paste from the link. I have no doubt that your opinion is real.
Hillary,
What does Wisconsin say about republicans?
Just to try and lighten the discussion on a Saturday evening, below I posted a link to a short video of a two year dancing to the Jailhouse Rock. I don’t have the moves he does, but I hope you watch it and it gets your evening off to a good start. Boogie down fellow bloggers!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wt824D1Bqg
Frank don’t waste my time…
It says they, the Republicans, are going to be a minority, meaningless party from now on Frank!
Just saw John Wilburn on WSLS – interviewed I guess at the Gun Show today.
“Personally I oppose universal background checks because I feel that once the line is drawn, the line can be moved and will exclude everybody eventually,” said John Wilburn.”
http://www.wsls.com/story/21660825/roanoke-valley-gun-show-draws-protestors
O.M.G.
And to the republicans on this blog…you might want to hear the scathing insight on your party, from one of your own…
“”It is virtually impossible to get people in Washington, D.C., to actually learn how to think about a new world,” he said. “It is sobering to me to be standing here, as a senior member of this [republican] party, telling you from 1976 to 2013 we have the dominant wing of this party, which has learned nothing and is as mired in the past and mired in stupidity as it was in 1976.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57574704/newt-gingrich-gop-establishment-mired-in-stupidity/
pammala shows her ignorance by claiming “we loved Herman Cain and we adore Ben Carson”. You people would agree with Satan if he said bad things about liberals and Democrats. If you had “loved” Herman Cain, he would have been your candidate “babe”. I think the election of 2012 showed “you are so out of touch with what Americans want and clouded by the propaganda” that your plutocrats speak, “….so sad, so pathetic”.
Jeb Bush said the Republican party must stop being anti-everything. I guess he doesn’t know what he’s talking about either.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/jeb-bush-cpac-speech-2013_n_2857496.html
“All too often we’re associated with being ‘anti’ everything,” Bush said. “Way too many people believe Republicans are anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-science, anti-gay, anti-worker, and the list goes on and on and on. Many voters are simply unwilling to choose our candidates even though they share our core beliefs, because those voters feel unloved, unwanted and unwelcome in our party.”
“And Bush also threw cold water in the face of conservatives who espouse a strict up-by-the-bootstraps doctrine of individual responsibility, and who ascribe failure only to personal failure. Life, he said, is increasingly more difficult for those who aren’t born with built-in advantages.”
“It is not a validation of our conservative principles if we can only point to the increasingly rare individual who overcomes adversity and succeeds in America,” Bush said. “Here’s reality: if you’re fortunate enough to count yourself among the privileged, much of the rest of the nation is drowning.
How does Wisconsin say what you said it says, Ron?
Herman Cain was on a [last] Sunday political show complaining that Romney put him on his advisory board, and never once called him…..hahahahahah
Hillary…how funny you are to try and use Newt Gingrich as a leader of the GOP. He has been out cast for a long time. He is more democrat that GOP.
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GOP is not anti-everything, but are pro-law. We have laws. Lets follow them.
“Hillary…how funny you are to try and use Newt Gingrich as a leader of the GOP. He has been out cast for a long time. He is more democrat that GOP.”
–Al
Al, buddy, in case you missed it, Newt ran for the GOP nomination in 2012.
In today’s RTs, a front page article titled, “Spending cuts start to hit home in S.W.VA.”, the federal employee in charge of the Booker T. Washington National Monument said “Eighty-seven percent of our budget goes toward fixed costs, like salaries and utilities and just keeping the lights on”.
Do any of you business people, accountants, or smart folks who know everything, …consider “salaries” to be a “fixed” expense? Of course not.
But, our quotable federal park superintendant does, which kinda sums up federal government thinking about operating expenses.
Sheesh.
It’s amusing to watch the circular firing squad that is today’s Republican Party.
Lost without anyone able to resonate with the electorate they continue to legislate morality, manufacture crises and ignore the 99%. Instead of learning from their drubbing last November they triple-down on the stupid while their approval ratings plummet. Gerrymandering, voter suppression and disenfranchisement will only work for so long, the GOP’s days are numbered.
Figure it out on your own Frank. I’m sure you can do it.
Al | March 16, 2013 at 7:51 pm [Gingrich]” is more democrat that GOP.”
Don’t kid yourself…and how sad that you republicans deny your own on a regular basis – Portman, Chris Christy ….
and just to remind you of his “authentic” republican creds…
[Gingrich] “represented Georgia’s 6th congressional district as a Republican from 1979 until his resignation in 1999, and served as the 58th Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. Gingrich was a candidate for the 2012 Republican Party presidential nomination.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich
hey scott whitaker, are you saying that you want the republican party to get more to your liking, and thus make it harder for democrats to win elections?
I would have thought you’d prefer that the GOP stays right were you say it is now.
Nope, Ron, can’t do it, I have no idea how you think!
Ron May | March 16, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Figure it out on your own Frank. I’m sure you can do it.
That’s what we like about you Ron. You’re a reaql optimist!
Gingrich was invited to CPAC. Guess who wasn’t. Ole Cooch. Or Bob McDonnell. They must not be ideologically pure enough.
Fun to watch the GOP hosting its own wake.
Al, what are your thoughts on the guys comments below, taken from the first post on this thread? Do you thnk he’s right in stating that the tea party agrees with his beliefs, and those of the Republican state legislators in Arkansas?
“Terry told Think Progress following the panel discussion that he believed that whites have been “systematically disenfranchised” by the federal government. He also told Think Progress he’d “be fine” with a society with blacks subservient to whites. African Americans, he said, should vote in Africa. He claimed the tea party agrees with him.”
“Terry is not the first Southern Republican in recent months to make comments supporting slavery. Last year, several Republican state legislators in Arkansas endorsed slavery in new books, including one who suggested that the practice “may have been a blessing” for slaves by bringing them to the United States. State GOP leaders pulled support for the candidates.”
Kristen | March 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Gingrich was invited to CPAC. Guess who wasn’t. Ole Cooch. Or Bob McDonnell. They must not be ideologically pure enough.
Fun to watch the GOP hosting its own wake
Actually Kristen, the illustrious AG of Va. was there and made a speech on the first day. It endorsed nullification theory and said the Civil War and Supreme Court decisions really didn’t settle that matter.. He knid of set the tone for that wacko Terry.
I wonder what the TPs will make of this…a new conspiracy perpetrated by the UN?
Historic UN declaration Adopted To Combat Violence Against Women
“Muslim and Western nations overcame deep divisions to agree on a landmark United Nations code to combat violence against women and girls”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/16/historic-un-declaration-adopted-to-combat-violence-against-women/
“Terry told Think Progress following the panel discussion that he believed that whites have been “systematically disenfranchised” by the federal government. He also told Think Progress he’d “be fine” with a society with blacks subservient to whites. African Americans, he said, should vote in Africa. He claimed the tea party agrees with him.”
–Posted by Debbie
Jesus, Hitler didn’t think Jews should be able to vote in Germany either. This guy is sickening.
I wonder if “Terry” makes any exceptions for black Americans who might vote the way “Terry” likes, such as Bishop E.W. Jackson, former Rep. Allen West, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, columnist and Prof. Walter Williams, former candidate-for-everything Alan Keyes, etc., etc., etc.
Does he believe they should vote in Africa, too? Or are they OK to vote in the USA? In other words, would he screen voters on some factor other than race, such as ideological purity?
For the record, I am perfectly comfortable with all of the folks named above voting in the USA, and with Jesse Jackson, Ron Dellums, and other more liberal black Americans, too.
i think it is very telling that anyone like Terry would speak this racist and hateful way – knowing that no one in the republican party would boo him out of the building or repudiate his statement.
Republicans have become the party of hate. And who are those most hated?
the poor people, the brown people, the black people, the gay people, the female people, the non-religious people…and last but not least, the Democratic people.
“uh dear so did the democratic party..who did you think voted for civil rights…”
Oh, oh, I know pammala. 7 percent of Southern House Dems voted for the original version versus 0 percent of Southern Reps. 94 percent of Northern Dems in favor versus 85 percent of Northern Reps. Same thing in the Senate (5 percent versus zero and 98 versus 84). Thanks for playing.
hey folks. since we have entered the realm of race relations, below is a link to an article titled, “Being white in Philly”,recently published by the Philadelphia Magazine in the City of Brotherly Love, and home of my beloved Phillies….which has caused quite the stir among the city’s rulers, namely Mayor Nutter. His take on the article is…”the tone is disgusting”.
It’s interesting that the mayor would immediately take the position he has, which is to order an investigation of the article, for “fact-checking” purposes.
Its a pretty long article, which involves a number of interviews, which are evidently offensive to Philly’s leader. I wonder… why?
Maybe Nutter thinks he’s got a white Janet Cooke or a white Jaysen Blair lying about the things the author wrote that white Philly residents said to him during interviews? Anyhow, I found it an interesting and not to surprising read.
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/white-philly/
Whose turn is it to clean up pammalalala’s word-turds out of the litter box? (finger on my nose) Not it!
Frank | March 16, 2013 at 8:19 pm
“hey scott whitaker, are you saying that you want the republican party to get more to your liking, and thus make it harder for democrats to win elections?
I would have thought you’d prefer that the GOP stays right were you say it is now.”
Frank, indeed, a stronger Republican Party would push Democrats to field better candidates, and over the long haul, we would all benefit. But then, you knew full well what Scott Whitaker meant. Posts like this one and your “Wisconson says” series of posts are not useful.
oh, c’mon, Jason Perdue.
Are you the determiner of what’s useful, and what’s not? Lets have a discussion on that, eh?
#8 Scott, I can attest to your statement “Any fly on the wall, or any progressive white male mistaken for “one of us”, as has happened with me many, many times, will attest that when a group of solidly conservative white males convene socially the racist humor, the casual off hand racial slurs will soon begin. Oh yeah, and then there’s the misogyny.”
I fit the angry white guy Demography and as a small business owner who is the face, in other words the guy up front with the customer, I constantly hear the whining of the Cons moan about all you mention and more that is not printable here. I do not discuss politics or show support for any candidate in my business and end up just letting the racist, misogynistic, woe is us soliloquy ramble on to its inevitable end. “Obama is destroying America.” It’s Real hard to bite my tongue, but it does show me just how pathetic the Cons have become.
Don’t every assume just because someone looks like you they share your views. Maybe that’s why I never hear a progressive rant on the Cons? Are they are assuming I’m not progressive so they don’t offer up discussion, or maybe they are just are a more mature bunch that don’t live to push their views on anybody with an ear.
Al, and Awood have been completely silent on Terry’s comments. Either they agree with him and won’t admit it, or they disagree with him but won’t admit that either because he’s a tea party member.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
obama wont eat ANYTHING unless his ‘food tester’ doesn’t die….that is hilarious, proves 2 things, he is a kittycat (or insert whatever is similiar) and he is afraid…good , he should be
I think the only aspect of what is or is not useful Jason Perdue would like to discuss is the “useful idiot” water carriers on this blog…
#43….Didn`t see `Terrys` comments, but thanks for remembering me. And Mr. Cold N P(real cute name) just who do you blame for the downward spiral of our economic system ? Face it…obama doesn`t know the first thing about running a business….his worthless background proves that…and, in case you didn`t know it, this Country IS a business. You say that you are a small business owner ???? Do YOU spend more than your business makes ? If I were you, I would follow the principles(?) of obama and do exactly as he does….spend more than you bring in..you know, just defy mathematics…come back when you`re out-o-beeswax and I`ll explain how it works. But, if you are still in business, then you must know that you can`t spend more than you bring in, yet, you back the principles of an idiot that does…..What ??????????
“he is a kittycat (or insert whatever is similiar) and he is afraid…good , he should be…”
More proof pammala is a third grader.
“But, if you are still in business, then you must know that you can`t spend more than you bring in, yet, you back the principles of an idiot that does….”
–Awood
That statement above is pure nonsense. Many, many, many businesses spend more than they take in as they’re getting off the ground. This is a fact. It’s not an opinion, Awood. They borrow money to get up and running.
Many, many, many ESTABLISHED businesses spend more than they take in over discrete time periods. They well realize cash-flow cycles, and they tough it out on the lows so they can keep going for when the highs hit. Did you know that a large percentage of large corporations borrow to make their payroll?
Do you know that a huge percentage of retailers borrow so they can have inventory? Did you know that many retailers spend more than they take in for MOST of each year they’re in business? These are all facts, and apparently you didn’t know them.
Awood evidently does not know anything about the farming industry where huge sums are borrowed for the seeds, fertilizers, and pesticides – hopefully to be paid off with a great crop. However, damaging weather during the season, and/or drought, usually cannot be predicted and the farm will start the next season in debt.
Often broad sweeping statements immediately become false as there is usually only a partial speck of fact within.
So, Dan….you can sit there and tell me that it is o.k. to continually spend more than you bring in and the profits will happen ? You know yourself that is impossible…or, maybe you don`t. Obviously, you are being taught `business` by the RT.
Let’s do, Frank. I am the determiner of what is useful to me, and your comments rarely advance a discussion or add new insight. An exception to that would be the link you posted 3/16 @ 10:21 p.m. That was a thought-provoking article, and I enjoyed the read. Tells me that you do have the ability, Frank, to participate in conversations in a constructive manner. Aim more for the “thought” content of your posts, Frank, and less for the “provoking” aspect. The occasional zinger attempt is understandable, but overdoing it is boorish – and not useful.
BTW, Frank, I am a lifelong Mets fan, so you and I are doomed to an adversarial existence. My son, however, loves all things Philadelphia, including the Eagles and the Phillies. I choose to believe that such an eventuality was caused by a genetic mutation from his mother’s side.
Awood, you don’t know the first thing about owning a business. That is obvious. You really think all businesses should be against Obama? Why?
Look Awood (Cute name) Obama is trying to level the playing field for all Americans. Not just the mega corporations that pay nothing in taxes, unlike my small business. It’s the traitorous nuts you elected (Or tried to elect) who are making it hard for me to make a decent living by subsidizing the mega Banks, Oil industries and Walmart Not to mention defending taxing the casino player stock market traders at a much lower rate than main st America. For crying out loud, get an education chump. That’s all you are Awood a chump who is keeping the gate for mega billionaires like Romney who wouldn’t even care if you lived or died, just as long as he and his cronies make an extra million today.
Thank god for Scott Prouty:
http://americablog.com/2013/03/47-percent-scott-prouty-video-inteview.html
And Hillary….What the H does a farm have to do with the price of tea ? A farm losing $$ because of weather has NOTHING to do with the practice of good business principles….I feel sure the other leftists on this blog are as embarrased for you, as am I…..Now, Hillary…read this real s-l-o-w…..If little Hillary were runnng a kool-aid stand, and the materials needed for 50 cups of kool-aid cost $10….and little Hillary sold her 50 cups for .10/cup, she would make $5…a net loss of $5 . Now, little Hillary is out of product and must re-stock…she buys enough for another 50 cups, and the losing cycle continues, driving little Hillary deeper in debt…this becomes a world renown loss and sorrow canvasses the landscape in all corners of the world until CHINA steps in to help little hillary…But, little Hillary is stupid, so she continues to spend more than she brings in until CHINA says …`no more`….pay back your debt, only she can`t…..To my RW friends…I know the LW won`t understand.
Cold N P….I am a wealthy, retired at 46, previous business owner. And, I never spent more than I brought in. You obviously sat behind Dan in `business class` . And, I will apologize….Yes, you can spend more than you bring in, you just won`t realize a profit.
The Philadelphia Magazine article was interesting, Frank.
Hey Jason Perdue,
I must admit, I had a hate-love relationship with the ’69 Mets.
My comment about Wisconsin was made in response to Hillary at post #3. It was offered as a rebuttal to her first sentence, and with no thought at all concerning whether or not others would find it “useful”. Your comment about it not being “useful” does take on a different connotation when “to me” is added to it. Thank you for the clarification.
Did you ever borrow money for your business, Awood? Just fyi, if you did, you were spending more than you brought in.
Have you ever had a mortgage? If you did, you were spending more than you brought in.
The fact that debt is manageable does not mean that you are NOT spending more than you’re taking in when you engage in the practice of affordable borrowing.
Just fyi.
I’ll tell you this. Every year at this time I have 2 mega problems to balance.
1. Gathering all the paperwork and getting things in order for the IRS. Yes I’m pissed off that I paid a higher percentage in taxes that GE in 2010. That puts me in a conservative mindset as to what the business plan should be for the upcoming year.
2. I have to plan inventory for sell and analyze employee requirements. My business revenue is not remotely even from month to month and if I screw up, then I’m borrowing money and having a fire sale in December. However, you can’t sell what you don’t have or service product with invisible staff. So in reality I must be aggressive (read progressive) in order to meet perceived demand in the boom months, you just go with your gut and hope for the best.
The only way out of our current economic woes is a balanced approach which includes revenue increases to fund infrastructure, Military, Educational and Social programs. In other words you must BELIEVE in America. The TP program of austerity will put us back into recession and maybe the tipping point of many years of shrinking GDP. The Ayn Randites (Read Paul Ryan, Rand Paul et al) must be stopped or the good ‘ol USA will be doomed.
These glum and doom prophets don’t believe in America, they are betting against America. Just ask Eric Cantor.
“From his 2009 disclosure form, here are the investments Cantor selected for himself,
$1-15,000 ProShares Trust Ultrashort 20+ Year Treasury ETF (TBT)
$1-15,000 iShares Barclays TIPS Bond Fund (TIPS)
$1-15,000 WisdomTree International Basic Materials (DBN)
$1-15,000 SPDR SP Metals Mining (XME)
So yeah, that acronym TIPS ring a bell? It should if you read Paul Krugman..
TIPS, as I read it is basically the interest difference between nominal U.S. Bonds and Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities. Eric Cantor’s bet on the iShares Barclay’s TIPS Bond Fund is ANOTHER bet that U.S. Treasury Bonds will lose value (relative to inflation).
Cantor has a history of betting against America. The difference is that in 2011, he now has the power make sure that his bets pay off.”
http://www.politicususa.com/unamerican-eric-cantor.html
Awood, I’m happy for you. You must have sat behind Eric Cantor in business class.
“.I am a wealthy, retired at 46, previous business owner.”
I’m absolutely astounded by the huge number of “wealthy business owners” posting pure rubbish and just plain factually wrong crap on this blog. Does owning a business and getting rich doing it somehow empty your brain? How do you attract all these tycoons, Dan?
“I’m absolutely astounded by the huge number of “wealthy business owners” posting pure rubbish and just plain factually wrong crap on this blog. Does owning a business and getting rich doing it somehow empty your brain? How do you attract all these tycoons, Dan?”
–gdad
Perhaps we should change the subtitle of this blog from “Your rants and raves are welcome” to “Where wealthy anonymous business owners expose themselves as small-minded idiots!”
Btw, you folks are acting as though Terry is some kind of leader in CPAC, and represents the thinking of a wide swath of republicans. Nothing could be further from the truth. What I heard from the audience in the clip provided by Debbie at post #1 was nervous laughter, at what I took to be the audaciousness of Terry’s remarks.
The overlooked aspect of the CPAC episode was the fact that there was K. Carl Smith, a black American of the Frederick Douglass Republicans, leading the discussion…and the fact that Terry was not supported by the audience.
Further on in Debbie’s link (if you folks would read that far) you will find that the GOP does not support folks like Terry. Furthermore, as evidenced by the link in the first place, CPAC sponsors seminars to engage in active discussion with young people about racial issues in America. I think it’s a healthy process for CPAC, and for young Republicans like Smith, to be actively engaged in. And yet, all you liberals see is “republican racism”.
By the way, Terry is, to me, similar in attitude to the folks in a lunatic fringe group going by the name, “new black panther party”. Look at how the tragic fiasco that Trayvon has evolved…you remember Trayvon, don’t you? If’n obama had a son, he’d “look like Trayvon”, right? Well, below is a link to where you can find some “interesting” comments about what that group thinks of whites.
Enjoy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/new-black-panther-party-a_n_1822132.html
uh you got that wrongbabe
““Where wealthy anonymous business owners expose themselves as small-minded idiots!””
it should be:
anonymous business owners expose themselves as small-minded idiots to help you undertand!””
that’s their battle cry, Frank, they don’t know anything else or have anything else to yell, except we want your money..lol
I didn’t see the word nervous, preceeding the word laughter, in the article about Terry, Frank. Do I think he represents all republicans? No, but I think he represents more conservatives than you’re willing to believe.
As for “new black panther party” I fear them about as much as I do the UN. I don’t fear Republicans either, they continue to drive themselves off the cliff.
Aren’t you an anonymous (on this blog) business owner, Pammala? You’re not helping your cause.
Ah, the internet… where everyone is wealthy and owns/owned their own business.
I find it amazing that there seem to be so many people out there who can’t build a basic sentence in coherent English or demonstrate the slightest bit of common sense or critical thinking skills, yet almost every single one of them claim to have built successful businesses. If all of the people on the internet who claim to have run/built successful businesses were telling the truth, the U.S. economy would be rolling like a downhill locomotive and coincidentally, those same people would have nothing about which to complain.
The 69 Mets! Tommy Agee, Cleon Jones, Al Weis, Ron Swoboda, Bud Harrelson, Art Shamsky, Jerry Kooseman, Tom Seaver, Gary Gentry . . . and others. They are my all-time favorite baseball team.
In the winter of 69-70, when I was very ill and in the hospital, my dad brought me a book, “The Year The Mets Lost Last Place.” It was a narrative (both on the field and off) of that amazing season. It’s one of many amazing books about baseball.
Aw, c’mon, J.M.
Having proper command of the English language is not the definition of a successful business person. And, it’s not rocket science to run a successful business. All it takes is the ability to produce a product or service which the market will buy, and the willingness to assume risk. That last little thingy is what separates, figuratively speaking, the men from the boys.
Hey Debbie @#66,
I think you may be looking at the Terry episode from an already biased point of view. I didn’t hear anyone else in the audience make any attempt to augment what Terry was saying. I didn’t see Carl Smith get flustered by the groundswell of support Terry got….’cause there wasn’t any. In fact, the audience was laughing.
Another way the article COULD have been reflected would be to show how professionally a black republican handled a jerk. And, it could have further informed the public to what IS going on in the GOP as evidenced by those candidates in Arkansas who lost the GOP’s support.
In fact, the title could have been, “GOP purges racists.”
Bud Harrelson — pretty good baseball player, great guy.
I have an ’81 Topps card autographed by him. He was with the Rangers then. He waited at the front of the restaurant for me to run back to my mom’s car to get my album so he could sign that card. He’s one of the reasons I still like baseball.
I knew there was a reason I like reading your column, Dan! The 69 Miracle Mets! Add Jerry Grote (catcher),Ed Kranepool (first base) and a young,wild Nolan Ryan!
JM, Harrelson probably weighed 150 pouns soaking wet, but he could play shortstop as well as anyone of his era. Problem was, he could barely hit it out of the infield!
I saw them play the previous year in Philadelphia, and the Phils thumped’em 19-1. I cried (I cried – I was 8 y.o.), and I’ve been a Met since. Sadly, I could only name a handful of the current Mets. Baseball ain’t quite what it used to be!
Hey you guys,
Do remember who brought you to this long-lost ’69 Mets love fest. A conservative from Philly.
Awood | March 17, 2013 at 10:36 am
I am starting to see clearly what the “A” before “wood” stands for.
Farming is a BUSINESS. If you have no realization of this you are an absolute fool.
Farmers are in the milk production, crop production or meat industry. What do you think farmers do farming for, the fun of it? Are you that unintelligent.
Where in heaven’s name do you think they go to get financing for equipment that they pay monthly on? Goodwill? One piece of equipment can cost $100,000, do you think they walk in with cash? Do you think farmers have such deep pockets they pay for feed with bonus points? No they usually borrow against their projected sale of whatever they are growing. That is why disaster or drought relief is provided by the government…without product farmers have no means to pay off their bills. The USDA etc provide low interest loans to farmers for a reason.
Your little narrow minded world needs expanding – I suggest you talk to a dairy farmer milking 800 Holsteins, and ask him how much he owes to the bank…or, for his combine, or his milking station equipment…
Before you post I suggest you put some “thought” into it, otherwise you sound asinine
And, not only do we run a productive business in farming, we ran and actual brick and mortar business – we owned the building, but you know what, every year at the beginning of the season we had to pay for the inventory before we made one sale. Sometimes on borrowed money sometimes on the “profit” from the previous year. in order to expand and grow a business, your business plan better indicate to what degree you have to expand your offerings to continue to be profitable. That usually meant not paying cash for that expansion, but getting a loan. You must never have expanded your “business” and I have no doubt it didn’t last long, nor was very successful.
And BTW, A**wood, the kindergarten called — they want their taunts back. Grow up and try to hold an adult discussion or go quietly and leave it to the adults on Dan’s blog.
J.M. White @ 2:06,
“Ah, the internet… where everyone is wealthy and owns/owned their own business”
You forgot to mention that those making these boastful claims are or are married to a Victories Secret Model, graduated at the top of their class at an Ivy league school on a full ride, kids are the starting QB/Head Cheer Leader at NC or RC, family dog won West Minster and then caught and dragged the Loch Ness monster from the depths, jetted up to NYC for the day, etc, etc, yada, yada…
At least pammala (1:13 post) doesn’t deny the “small-minded idiots” part. Glad she “undertands.”
Frank, the article stated that the candidates in Arkansas lost the state GOP’s support after making their opinions known. That in and of itself, showed that not everyone shares their beliefs. I don’t think anymore needed to be said.
Jason, good catch on Grote and Ryan. I thought I had mentioned Kranepool. I also forget Ken Boswell, Don Clendenon and Tug McGraw!
My fav player of that whole bunch was Shamsky. Not only was he probably the hairiest outfielder in all the major leagues he was a GREAT pinch hitter. In 69 he hit .385 from the pinch, and .388 when the game was close. In the 69 national league championship series against Atlanta he hit .538. He and Swoboda used to swap staring, depending on whether the opposing team was starting a righty or a lefty. Swoboda, meanwhile, made the catch of the year in the World Series, and one of the greatest catches of all time, too.
Frank, I read and posted the article about Mr. Terry after I had read this comment from Al, on the Crooked Road thread. “I am glad to see all you liberals and dems practice tolerance…NOT! Your name calling and degrading comments about the Tea Party are insulting.”
Mr. Terry is a TP member whose comments I found degrading and insulting. Am I looking at it from an already biased point of view? Maybe so, Do you not think your POV of liberals is biased?
“in case you didn`t know it, this Country IS a business”
Utterly wrong but typically money fixated “conservative” comment by Awood
No it isn’t. The U.S. is founded on a Constitution, not on articles of incorporation. A business’s goal is simply to generate monetary profits, while a nation is a framework of social organization for the common good. One utilizes people on behalf of money building goals, while the other uses money on behalf of people building goals.
When do businesses ever ignore profits in order to inspect food, rescue sinking ships or conduct epidemiological monitoring? When does government insist on projecting a certain profit margin before educating children, building bridges or administering courts?
Awood is wrong, pure and simple. He’s wrong. he’s wrong in a typical GOTP way. Business and American government are not the same. Awood’s wrong assertion that business and American government are the same makes it seem like Awood sees the whole world as nothing but money. If so, Awood’s money is A whole world.
Dan, a few years ago, I watched a replay of the 1969 World Series on ESPN Classics. Loved the way Tommy Agee chased down balls in the outfield, and that catch by Swoboda was magnificent. One thing struck me, though, and that was the size, or lack thereof, of the players. Boog Powell was the Orioles 1st baseman, he was conisdered to by a giant of a man in 1969. He looked flat out ordinary, if not small, by today’s standards.
How could I forget Donn Clendenon and Tug McGraw. Clendenon twirled his bat like a windmill before every pitch. I thought that was cool. The 69 Series was a true David felling Goliath story. With players like Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Powell, Brooks Robinson, Davey Johnson (Manager for the Victorious Mets in the 1986 World Series), Mark Belanger, and Al Bumbry, they were a dynasty.
I think McGraw was better known for “You Gotta Believe” from the 1973 World Series the Mets lost 4-3 to Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, and the rest of the Oakland A’s. He’s Tim McGraw’s dad. Isn’t the song “Live Like You Were Dying” about Tug?
Spring is just around the corner, We’ve got David Wright at 3rd, Johan Santana is on the mend, Matt Harvey shows promise, and Frank Francisco can be a dominant closer. We need Ike Davis to produce in the clean-up spot to protect Wright, Ruben Tejeda to evolve into a lead-off guy, and Daniel Murphy to hit for average in the 2-hole. Hope springs eternal, and You Just Gotta Believe!
“The U.S. is founded on a Constitution, not on articles of incorporation. A business’s goal is simply to generate monetary profits, while a nation is a framework of social organization for the common good. One utilizes people on behalf of money building goals, while the other uses money on behalf of people building goals.”
Warren | March 17, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Well said, Warren. Many Republicans cannot come to grips with, “One utilizes people on behalf of money building goals, while the other uses money on behalf of people building goals.” They would like the government to be run like JP Morgan Chase or Bear Stearns or the savings and loans that went belly up in the 1980s.
Debbie, I think we all have our biases. And, I think the republican party has been and is attracting more minorities into the party, and into viable candidate and leadership positions in the party. The “Mr. Terry” piece, in my opinion, was slanted in it’s exclusive focus on Mr. Terry in the first place….but he fit the narrative template of the media projection of republicans, doesn’t he?
I suspect that Mr. Carl Smith has an interesting story to offer in that HE was the seminar leader, and as a black American, and a republican, is charged with debating with and refuting jerks like Mr. Terry. Yet, the media sees no story there, because that would not fit the liberal media biased template of the GOP being the party of “Mr. Terrys”. Well, we have LOTS of folks like Mr. Smith, but the libs refuse to see ‘em.
Do you actually know that Mr. Terry is a Tea Party member? Do you think he was credentialled him in any way?
Re: Warren at 7:25 pm
No it isn’t. The U.S. is founded on a Constitution, not on articles of incorporation. A business’s goal is simply to generate monetary profits, while a nation is a framework of social organization for the common good. One utilizes people on behalf of money building goals, while the other uses money on behalf of people building goals.
When do businesses ever ignore profits in order to inspect food, rescue sinking ships or conduct epidemiological monitoring? When does government insist on projecting a certain profit margin before educating children, building bridges or administering courts?
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Warren,
Looks as if you and I can actually agree on occasion.
Well done.
Cost accounting (particularly Activity-based costing) is used to understand the costs of running a business in order to identify and eliminate those products and services that are unprofitable to that business — regardless of any benefit to society.
Try applying that management tool to government. Would we survive as a nation if all Government action did not return a profit to the goverment were eliminated?
While there is room for debate about the long range benefit to society of many programs. Any inward looking government-as-business is ludicrous, IMHO. BTW, to your list insisting “on projecting a certain profit margin before…” I would add running prisons and national defense.
I was just using a few examples that sprang to mind, not trying to be comprehensive about the difference between government and business. But one more very important example where private players in the public sphere has harmed all other aspects of life and government, is the reliance on the private sector to provide national campaign information, debates and especially secure voting.
I would personally prefer only federal funding of national campaigns, with limits on total expenditures, and extensive disclosures and debate participation required. Also, national votes moved to the weekend, lasting two days, and a total moratorium on campaigning during the voting period, plus on site paper verification of one’s vote when it’s requested. And of course, elimination of all Citizen’s United type corporate cash and secret donor pacs. For a start…
Frank @ 9:26, of course I don’t actually know that Mr Terry belongs to the Tea Party. Dumb question, Frank. I don’t actually know who you are either. You seem to be going out of your way to deny that he is a conservative. I’ve already said, I don’t believe he represents all Republicans. Drop the bone now.
Hi Debbie,
I don’t deny that Terry is a conservative, although I don’t really know just what he is.
I do say that from his “message”, he’s a jerk.
I remain interested in your thoughts on my posit about the liberal messaging template for the GOP.
Thanks.
With all due respect, Frank, if the Republican party/ TP, had “LOTS of folks like Mr. Smith” then why are so many Republicans stating that their party has to start reaching out to minorities? The liberals are not the only ones who refer to the GOP as the party of old white men.
Re: Warren | March 17, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Wow, again we agree. What’s the world coming to?
BTW, see my 12:14 pm comment on today’s Open Thread.
RNC chairman Reince Preibus told the National Press Club today about how he intends to follow the results of focus group testing to renovate his party’s image. Not urge change to any platform policies, mind you, nor even debate of issues. He says he just intends to change the party’s PR according to what tests well, no doubt to be done with all the sincere interest in making a better world for the disadvantaged usually seen from a publicist for Donald Trump. A cosmetic renovation, in other words, leaving the foundation unexamined.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/18/republican-party-autopsy-report-make-sure-young-voters-dont-see-party-as-totally-intolerant/
Still, it remains unclear whether Preibus, as with his fellow privileged straight white male GOTP leadership, has the ability to successfully feign enough interest in the poor, single women, minorities, and other groups long marginalized in the party.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/18/the-gop-worries-about-its-reputation-but-should-they/
Debbie, the GOP is open and accessible to all people who share common values.
Well gee Frank, the Democratic Party and the Green Party, and the Libertarian Party are all “open and accessible to all people who share common values” too. Imagine that.
Funny how so many of you will STILL bring up the lady and her “Obamaphone” when you want, but let one of your own go off and be idiotic, offensive, or just plain stupid and you deny they are part of you. No sale.