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Tuesday, May 21, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
This is pretty funny.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/rush-limbaugh-rnc-report_n_2902151.html?ref=topbar
“Limbaugh, on the other hand, disagreed with the notion that the party needs to expand its outreach.”
I wonder how long the GOP is going to kiss this gasbag’s ring before they figure out that he’s exactly what’s wrong with them.
Yeah, Michael Steele actually challenged his racist butt too!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/michael-steele-tom-perez_n_2903142.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
“Michael Steele Defends Tom Perez, Criticizes Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Hugo Chavez’ Attack”
Don’t know how many of you watch the Sunday morning interview shows, (I record & watch them later) but there were two this past Sunday that were revealing. I provide some quotes from two that were particularly interesting. The links to the full story is a the bottom.
“House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, told ABC News’ Martha Raddatz during an exclusive interview for “This Week” that talk of including revenue as part of an effort to strike a so-called “grand bargain” to address the $16 trillion debt of the United States was “over,” leaving Democrats and Republicans where they have been for months – at loggerheads.”
“Boehner said the United States does not face an immediate debt problem, agreeing with recent comments by President Obama – but he added debt is an issue that will have to be addressed.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/john-boehner-the-talk-about-raising-revenue-is-over/
“(CBS News) The United States does not have a debt crisis, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said today on “Face the Nation,” corroborating what House Speaker John Boehner and President Obama have said as both chambers of Congress scramble to concoct a budget plan to shore up the federal deficit. But, Ryan added, a crisis is “irrefutably” on its way.”
“So we do not have a debt crisis right now,” Ryan continued. “But, we see it coming. We know it’s irrefutably happening. And the point we’re trying to make with our budget is, let’s get ahead of this problem.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57574761/ryan-u.s-doesnt-have-a-debt-crisis-yet/
Unfortunately, what neither admitted was that among the cuts needed are the tax expenditures provided to the oil companies, banks, and corporations hiding money overseas, among many others.
Mor news on how Obamacare helps the needy: http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=02b91d59-ab39-4d0a-819c-d23823e2bdc6
My dad is 91 and in assisted living. His accountant advises me that his deduction for assisted living which is only what is over 7.5% of AGI this year gets reduced next year as it is limited to only the amount of 10% over AGI next year thanks to Obamacare. Obviously the elderly are due to get fleeced as well.
Fox 21/27 was reporting last night that Veterinarian bills will also go up because of the TAX on medical equipment thanks to Obamacare. How can that be? I thought the taxes applied only to the corporate world? You mean these corporations just pass on the cost of the taxes to the consumer in the form of higher prices for services? HOW CAN THAT BE?
Bend over, Obamacare is coming and to many it is already here. What a disaster.
I imagine the private sector will step in to make it easier to buy insurance with them versus buying a plan through the government. Here’s the original AP story: http://tinyurl.com/cog73va
Here are some pros and cons on how the system is shaping up:
- Pro: If you apply online, you’re supposed to be able to get near-instantaneous verification of your identity, income, and citizenship or immigration status. An online government clearinghouse called the Data Services Hub will ping Social Security for birth records, IRS for income data and Homeland Security for immigration status. “That is a brand new thing in the world,” said Karp.
- Con: If your household income has changed in the past year or so and you want help paying your premiums, be prepared to do some extra work. You’re applying for help based on your expected income in 2014. But the latest tax return the IRS would have is for 2012. If you landed a better-paying job, got laid off, or your spouse went back to work, you’ll have to provide added documentation.
- Pro: Even with all the complexity, the new system could still end up being simpler than what some people go through now to buy their own insurance. You won’t have to fill out a medical questionnaire, although you do have to answer whether or not you have a disability. Even if you are disabled, you can still get coverage for the same premium a healthy person of your age would pay.
- Con: If anyone in your household is offered health insurance on the job but does not take it, be prepared for some particularly head-scratching questions. For example: “What’s the name of the lowest cost self-only health plan the employee listed above could enroll in at this job?”
Bob H,
We won’t know the extent of the disaster until it’s too late. And, their mantra will be, “it’s those dastardly corporations’ fault”.
#1 If Romney had won by the same numbers, Rush would be calling it a landslide. What a hypocrite.
So how do YOU do “entitlement” reform without the elderly getting “fleeced”, Bob H? Do you only support “entitlement” reform for other people?
Most of you know that I serve as president of a small, two year, Catholic college in northern Indiana. The college is co-located on the grounds of what is now called The Center at Donaldson. It is the home of the sponsoring order of my college, a retreat & conference center, an independent living center, a five star rated nursing home, a beef and grain farm, an environomental education center and other affiliated minstries. There are leaders for each of those other ministries. It is the most unique place where I have worked during my 40+ year career in higher education. It is also the place where I feel as at home as I have during those 40+ years. For those of you who would like a brief introduction to where I work click on the link below. It takes about 60 seconds. Have a great day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SNqpz85ZrQ
“If Romney had won by the same numbers, Rush would be calling it a landslide. What a hypocrite.”
–gdad
Rush was ALL OVER the “mandate” GWB achieved in 2004, which he won with 50.7 percent of the vote.
Sandi, .
My father receives NO ENTITLEMENT. We accept no Medicaid for his assisted living. He PAYS for it. Over $48,000 worth in 2012, I just got the statement from the facility for the CPA.
Now he is getting fleeced further by Obamacare.Already he could only deduct the amount of assisted living expenses which exceeded 7.5% of his AGI. Next year it rises to 10%.
Explain to me why Obamacare is fleecing senior citizens. And why no one on the left is outraged about it…..
I guess Nancy has the best explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU
BobH’s entire link is about something that hasn’t even happened yet.
“Do you only support “entitlement” reform for other people?”
That is always the case.
Yeah Kristen,
Let’s pay no attention to that snowball at the top of the mountain that is getting bigger and rolling towards us even faster. Let’s wait until it GETS here to do anything about it.
What enetitllement are you referring to? My dad get’s no entitlement.
Ron,
I imagine that it’s awful difficult to have a bad day where you work! In my opinion, a happy workplace produces the best products and services.
No, BobH, far better to engage in hysterical hyperbole.
To answer your question…
http://www.concordcoalition.org/issues/entitlements/tax-entitlements
Tax entitlements are reductions in tax liabilities that result from
• excluding or exempting items from gross income (“tax exclusions”),
• deducting items from either gross income or adjusted gross income (“tax deductions”),
• granting preferential tax rates for certain items of income (“tax preferences”),
• applying credits to directly reduce taxes owed (“tax credits”), or
• deferring tax liability on certain types of income (“tax deferrals”).
This was referring to the tax deduction for long term care expenses. “Entitlements” are not just things poor people get.
Kristen,
Are you saying ny dad is rich? He isn’t. His assisted living care cost exceeds his income. He is living off the nest egg saved.
Obamacare was passed upon the premise that it WAS NOT A TAX. Or did you forget?
And I thought all you libs wanted to soak the providers. It looks like the citizens are the ones paying for it.
As for the 21 pages of forms to be filled out to qualify for OBamacare, who do you think that is more likely to affect- the affluent or the disadvantaged poor.
This is harming the people it was intended to help!
As Barrie says, welcome to my nightmare.
Bob H, you need a new accountant. Those turning 65 and older before the end of 2013 keep the 7.5% threshold 2016.
From the Agenda 21/Virginia Green Menace thread…
Sandi: Remember in high school when Alice Cooper records played backwards had some “satanic message”? THAT is now the Agenda 21 “movement”.
You need to hear this remix. It’s about “Satanic Panic” and a hidden message found in a famous song by Queen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdXek5d2ocw
I think if the Devil really wanted to tempt Christians away from their faith, he wouldn’t backmask messages like “it’s fun to smoke marijuana” into rock music. He would be the little dissenting voice whispering in people’s ears, saying that the problems of the world weren’t worth concern, and besides, it’s only happening to those people, not anyone you personally know or care about.
Bob H, if your father is receiving Medicare health care or a Social Security check each month, he is indeed receiving an “entitlement”. No one mentioned the Medicaid aspect that many millions of elderly also rely on. The tax deductions mentioned above are also “entitlements” as Kristen noted.
Do you believe that Medicare and Social Security reform will have no repercussions on the elderly, or were you only OK with them when you thought it was all those younger than your father or you?
Bill Perdue, you and I know that Bob H would NEVER post incorrect information on this blog.
sandi think what YOU pay into SS is an entitlement when you receive your benefits…no wonder
Sandi, Kristen, Frank, Bob H. and others,
The comments you are making about “entitlements” indicate to me that you have bought into the Republican meme about “entitlements.”
The Republicans refer to social security and medicare benefits as entitlements. Remember those 47% that Mitt Romney got caught referring to as those who feel they are entitled to certain benefits. Well, included in that 47% are most who receive social security and medicare.
What the Republicans conveniently forget is that most recipients of social security and medicare have paid into the various trust funds through payroll deductions for years. While I have not yet started drawing either benefit, despite being fully eligible, I’ve been paying into the social security trust fund since I was 13 years old and medicare a few years later than that. Thus the recipients have EARNED the benefits received and they are entitled to receive those earnings back in retirement.
The actuaries who drew up the cost projections years ago missed the mark. Additionally, because people are living longer, in part because of better income streams and better healthcare while aging, the original projections need to be adjusted. As I have said before on different threads, social security funding can be assured at least 75 years into the future by simply lifting the income cap on social security and using a chained CPI index for computing future benefit increases. Medicare is more complicated, but can be solved as well. My point in this screed is that Medicare & Social Security are not entitlement programs, they are earned benefits.
I am well aware of that Ron. That is why I put “entitlements” in the quotation marks. Calling something an “entitlement” does not mean it is.
“Quotation marks can also be used to indicate a different meaning of a word or phrase than the one typically associated with it and are often used to express irony”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark
Sorry for the misinterpretation Sandi.
No Worries Ron, it was a good time to tell that truth. I agree that people paying into the system have earned their Medicare and Social Security. For that matter Medicaid too. All people who worked for a substantial part of their life paid payroll taxes, Social Security taxes and Medicare taxes even if they did not pay a lot of income tax or state tax. It is always a point worth repeating.
I guess to the Republicans my savings account is an “entitlement.” Insuring everyone is going to cost some bucks, suck it up.
Ron, I enjoy visiting campuses, especially charming smaller ones, so I hope I’ll get to see Ancilla in person sometime. The steeple shown on the home page has some interesting looking woodwork. The closest one I’ve been to it so far is down in southern Indiana, Earlham College in Richmond (Quaker affiliated). With the small schools in Va. that are also denomination affiliated, many use their campuses in the summer for denominational retreats and meetings. I guess you’re fortunate in that the convent provides you a year round denominational presence. BTW, there’s a Donaldson Brown center at Va. Tech, and the same benefactor endowed several other sites, so web searches for Donaldson Center might include those.
I don’t look for the Huffpo for political advice. This is the same old same old. The GOP lost because of massive cheating and because they didn’t run a candidate conservative enough to bring out the base. Evidence of that was the lower GOP turnout.
The notion that Romney lost because he was “too conservative” is asinine. Unfortunately, there are some in the GOP leadership who believe pap like the Huffpo is spouting.
“Bob H, if your father is receiving Medicare health care or a Social Security check each month, he is indeed receiving an “entitlement”. No one mentioned the Medicaid aspect that many millions of elderly also rely on. The tax deductions mentioned above are also “entitlements” as Kristen noted.”
–Sandi
When you knock Medicare and Social Security recipients out of the mix, the numbers of the so-called “47 percent” begin dropping very quickly.
Of course, the conservatives do their best to ignore that. It doesn’t serve their purpose to exclude people who have paid into those systems for decades, and are finally collecting from them.
“Unfortunately, there are some in the GOP leadership who believe pap like the Huffpo is spouting”
If true, then why are they the leadership?
#28 “The GOP lost because of massive cheating yap yap yap blah blah blah…”
Hearsay. You’re dismissed.
NEXT!
“The GOP lost because of massive cheating and because they didn’t run a candidate conservative enough to bring out the base. Evidence of that was the lower GOP turnout.”
The GOTP leadership’s just released 2012 autopsy report didn’t mention “massive cheating”, their own or anyone else’s, and Romney’s self-description as “severly conservative” didn’t elicit disagreement from the GOTP apparatchiks. Thus even though I’m not Catholic, with the new pope just now being installed I figure I can still get in a Lenten sacrifice, so until Easter I’m giving up the notion that lower GOTP turnout in 2012 was influenced by demographic trends. In fact, I think I’ll encourage other people to continue thinking that the GOTP’s demographic strength is as strong as ever, and even growing. Thanks for the idea.
suzie says that the RNC is lying as to why Romney lost. I just love it when she keeps spouting this nonsense.
Hearsay. You’re dismissed.
NEXT!
Steven K,
Are you aware obama “won” 59 Philadelphia precincts with 100% of the vote by a aggregate count of 19, 620 to 0? He also “won” 16 Cuyahoga Co. Ohio with 100% of the vote. Know what the statistical probability of that is, Steven K? 1 in 10 to the 67th power.
Warren supplies the 46th Lenten reference. The power of Girl to influence the blog’s conversation is incredible.
After recent copyright legislation has tilted too far in the direction of restrictive control, there was an important win for copyright common sense in the SCOTUS today. But the decision was an interesting ideological blend of justices. Now if only they’d apply such non-ideological common sense to the patent system.
The Supreme Court decided 6-3 to ALLOW the sale of imported goods that
are copyrighted in the U.S. The First Sale Doctrine was upheld even in
the case of foreign made copyrighted goods. The case concerned a kid who was selling textbooks in the U.S. that he had his parents send them from his home in the Philippines where they were priced much lower. Textbook maker John Wiley & Sons argued that their right to control prices abroad was actually part of their copyright grant.
The SCOTUS, with Breyer writing the opinion, agreed that the “first sale” doctrine trumped U.S. copyright’s import control right. That is to say, after it’s initial sale, a copyrighted object like a book or cd can then be imported into the U.S. as an object free of further control by the copyright holder. The decision’s effect will likely be tenous, though, as the issue will now shift to legislative battles. Ginsburg, Scalia and Kennedy dissented.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/thai-student-protected-by-first-sale-supreme-court-rules/
(This case about Phillipine books should not be confused with cases involving the book of Phillipians, which has been in the public domain for a long time already
)
#35 I’m sure that God is in awe of your trolling powers, suzie.
Lenten vow breaker at #35 breaks their insincere Lenten vows yet again, for the scant humanistic reward of ego gratification. The power of selfish egotists to ignore their own sacrileges is incredible!
“The power of Girl to influence the blog’s conversation is incredible.”
Do not mistake the power of unabashed BS to influence as your own. You said you were giving the blog up for Lent and you hardly made it a week. Calling you out on your bull is not you wielding any kind of tangible power. If I was to come on here claiming to be the reincarnation of the Christ, you can be sure that someone will call me out on it and the conversation will follow. There’s is no power there.
Has your ego started creating its own gravitational field yet? I can’t help but think that one day you’re just going to completely collapse into your own black hole of pretension and hot air.
Bob H if your Dad is not receiving either Medicaire or Social Security, I think you should help him sign up.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CG8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.consumerreports.org%2Fhealth%2Fresources%2Fpdf%2Fncqa%2FThe_Affordable_Care_Act-You_and_Your_Family.pdf&ei=tMhIUcWIN9Sj4AP-zIHYAg&usg=AFQjCNEAz0ueM-P6ZnT5AxSLK05e7ZfB3g&sig2=KRa8Rj6tVEN-iU_-VCJNqA&bvm=bv.43828540,d.dmg
An excellent article on the Affordable Care act.
Has (serial vow breaker’s) ego started creating its own gravitational field yet? question by JMW
It definitely has long since started, since a huge gravitational field sucks mightily, and sucks so hard that anything too close gets sucked into it’s cold uncaring orbit.
Pride being a mortal sin, and post #35′s only point being to display the pride of the poster, the serial vow breakers’ only hope now to avoid eternal damnation is a sacrament of reconciliation. Unless, of course, everything the poster’s claimed is BS, which what sadsack trolls with nothing better to do spew.
In the GOP’s “autopsy” of the 2012 election, the party’s problem with non-white voters is put in blunt terms: “Young voters are increasingly rolling their eyes at what the party represents, and many minorities wrongly think that Republicans do not like them or want them in the country.”
Isn’t it interesting that the day after that report was released, Rep. Senator David Vitter use his Senate privileges to put on hold the nomination of Ass’t Attorney General Thomas Perez to be Secr. of Labor.
And the GOTP wonders why minorities roll their eyes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/tomas-young-letter-iraq_n_2908335.html
“I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.”
Poor kid…powerful stuff. History will not judge Bush/Cheney kindly…or the rest of us who stood around and let it happen.
Kristen
I agree. But the stench of their legacy lingers on in warrant less wiretaps, other forms of domestic spying, and that festering sore that is Club Gitmo. If the government really had cases against the Gitmo detainees, don’t you think they would have tried them by now? And any intelligence we could have gathered from the detainees is 10 years out of date by now.
“Suzie | March 19, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Warren supplies the 46th Lenten reference. The power of Girl to influence the blog’s conversation is incredible.”
Who is ‘Girl’?
43
Right. Meanwhile the little kid occupying the White House has killed more American soldiers his first four years than died under Bush in his first four.
These “outraged” leftwingers couldn’t care less about that.
My last post was in response to Kristen’s, not Ron’s.
Pride being a mortal sin, and post #35′s only point being to display the pride of the poster, the serial vow breakers’ only hope now to avoid eternal damnation is a sacrament of reconciliation. Unless, of course, everything the poster’s claimed is BS, which what sadsack trolls with nothing better to do spew.
The concern of atheists over my passing comment that I might give up the blog for Lent is touching. Speaking of nothing better to do and all.
OleBlue, a large part my of my initial enthusiasm for Obama was predicated on his discussion about shutting Gitmo down. It’s my single biggest disappointment with him. And you’re right…the legacy of intrusion and erosion of our privacy remains intact.
I don’t give myself a pass for any of it, and expect my kids one day to ask me “how in hell did you just sit there with your thumb up your butt and allow all these things to happen without fighting back”.
Contra, “Girl” is mostly likey a euphamism for a transvestite
For the uninformed:
Euphemism
Noun
A mild or indirect word or expression for one too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing.
“Unfortunately, there are some in the GOP leadership who believe pap like the Huffpo is spouting”
If true, then why are they the leadership?
From Daily Beast: Sore Losers, 7 Juicy Bits From the GOP Autopsy Report.
From Alternet via Buzzflash: Republicans: There’s No Debt Crisis, We Just Want to Screw the Poor.
Contra, “Girl” is mostly likey a euphamism for a transvestite
Your LGBT allies would find your “euphamism” pretty bigoted, Bill Perdue.
I don’t give myself a pass for any of it, and expect my kids one day to ask me “how in hell did you just sit there with your thumb up your butt and allow all these things to happen without fighting back”.
They will, but it won’t be about that.
“Guadaloopy”
Ha!
I read that whole letter on Truthdig Kristen, I ended up in tears. I hope that Bush and Cheney will at least have the courage to read it, they owe that young man that much.
“I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with painkillers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.”
http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/the_last_letter_20130318/
All of you with a heart should read it. Suzie, keep your trash in your head and just this once, do not befoul your soul any further by commenting on it. You have no right.
I tried to read one of the articles about Tomas Young to my fiancee and got about halfway through before I choked up and couldn’t read anymore. If you think it’s powerful to read it, read it out loud to yourself or someone else and hear it. It’s absolutely visceral.
It is indeed “visceral”. It is powerful stuff that will live on when he is gone. He has done something that will be remembered and stand as a testament to the wrongs and their effect. I pray it gives him some peace. He deserves it.
My biggest disappointment with this president is his desire to “look forward.”
The Neocons are not going away, and now they have precedent.
I agree art Hill, The worst mistake Obama made was to promise not to investigate criminal actions that took place during the previous regime.
My LGBT friends are fine with me. Thank you
The guy has a first class brain, trapped in a useless body. He’s certainly an articulate spokesman but he’s speaking for a group that’s way too big. Such a waste.
Suzie | March 19, 2013 at 6:10 pm
The concern of atheists over my passing comment that I might give up the blog for Lent is touching. Speaking of nothing better to do and all.
——–
Who called it? I do believe it was I who pointed out in February:
“To be fair though, it wasn’t much of a promise to begin with. She left herself a couple of easy outs by saying things like, ‘I *think* I’ll give this place up for Lent’ and ‘All right, guys. I’m out again *unless*…’ ”
Sometimes it’s as predictable as the sunrise.
Ron,
Please let me know where I have made any mention of “entitlements”. I have made mention of “too much spending”, but have not made mention of “entitlements”.
By the way, I have mentioned, on more than one occaision, my support for increasing the income ceiling for social security contributions, AND, gradually increasing the age of retirement at full benefit.
FYI.
Ron,
Please let me know where I have made any mention of “entitlements”. I have made mention of “too much spending”, but have not made mention of “entitlements”.
–Frank, March 20, 12:38 p.m.
Frank, Jan. 7, 2013, 10:34 a.m
Who among us, or our families, or our neighbors, has both the wisdom of hindsight, and the courage, to point the finger at our own “parenting” skills or lack thereof? Seems to me that the evidence is in. Mass killings by dememted young people; lower performance in testing; growing belief in entitlements; celebrity-worshiping culture; lower church attendance; and of course, the video games.
Frank, Sept. 4, 7:54 p.m.:
well, let’s run for just a minute with the “incomplete” grade obama has recently awarded himself for his first 3.5 years in office…
an “incomplete” means what, exactly, when our child brings such a thing home? while their are medical things which might cause an “incomplete’, i think that in most cases it means something more ominous…like, maybe, that my child “hadn’t COMPLETED an important project.” in obama’s case, that covers the budget, entitlements, the deficit, and of course…JOBS!
“The concern of atheists over my passing comment that I might give up the blog for Lent is touching.”
That would be derision not concern, suzie.
Frank,
I’m sorry, I listed your name by mistake on this thread when I made my comment about entitlements.
Dan, those references to entitlements is to people feeling “entitled” to the government dole. I have never considered social security and Medicare to be the “government dole”, and you know it, Dan.
Please go thru your archives and find ANY reference I made to social security and medicare as being “entitlements”. Oh. Sorry. If I had, you would have already produced them.
Also, why don’t you go back thru your archives and show the times I mentioned support for extending the income ceiling for social security taxes and gradually raising the age for retirement benefits? I have also referenced support for means testing for Medicare.
#34 “obama “won” 59 Philadelphia precincts with 100% of the vote by a aggregate count of 19, 620 to 0? He also “won” 16 Cuyahoga Co. Ohio with 100% of the vote”
Prove it, and from a credible source please. If you can’t, you’re dismissed.
I didn’t read any of the comments. Liberals are pest!!!!!!!!
Thank you!!
“I didn’t read any of the comments. Liberals are pest!!!!!!!!”
Please make sure to let us know next time you take a leak.
“Dan, those references to entitlements is to people feeling “entitled” to the government dole. I have never considered social security and Medicare to be the “government dole”, and you know it, Dan.
Please go thru your archives and find ANY reference I made to social security and medicare as being “entitlements”. Oh. Sorry. If I had, you would have already produced them.
Also, why don’t you go back thru your archives and show the times I mentioned support for extending the income ceiling for social security taxes and gradually raising the age for retirement benefits? I have also referenced support for means testing for Medicare.”
–Frank
Great! We are making PROGRESS! Frank is saying he rejects the “47 percent” lie of Rwers. (Because almost half of that “47 percent” are people on Social Security and Medicare.)
unlike you dan, I’m not beholden to party ideology.
and, to go one step further, i think we should be able to privately invest some of our fica taxes into a fund that could be used to supplement the guarenteed ssi payment, AND any balance of which could be passed on to heirs, or to charity.
i think this where we part ways, dan.
“I think this is where we part ways, dan”
Promises, promises…
frank’s just teasing, Art.
#76 ” I’m not beholden to party ideology”
Your posting history speaks otherwise, Frank.
#73 Throwing multiple exclamation points at the end of your posts won’t help your credibility any, Bob (like you had any to begin with). Oh, and neither will your lousy grammar, for that matter.
Steven K, some people on here seem to consider their lack of intellect to be a source of pride.
Frank | March 20, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Frank,
You already have several tax favored opportunities to invest your own contributions to a supplemental retirement fund. IRAs, Roth IRAs, 403B plans for those who work at non profits, 401K plans for those working at for profit companies and a host of others. Most of those permit you to pass on any proceeds not used by you to a host of beneficiaries.