The ‘Post of the Day’ is about Walmart and welfare
Grafic by Dan
Note from Dan: This from “Mark” came in last night on this thread from January. Apparently he’s a Walmart worker who is disenchanted about all of his colleagues who are on the dole.
“Walmart hires employees at sub-par wages and uses the government to subsidize what they don’t pay their employees.
Roughly 80% of Walmart employees are on some type of government assistance.
I work for Walmart, and most of our 270 employees are on food stamps, WIC, and live in Section 8 housing.
So to the people who believe that Walmart employees are compensated fairly for their skills:
ENJOY PAYING FOR THEIR WELFARE!”
March 18, 2013 - 8:00 AM
Anyone who does not know that Walmart is not a stellar employer has their head in the proverbial sand. They are constantly in the news for poor treatment of employees. Sadly, Walmart is usually the winner when cases against them go to court. Even sadder, is the fact that they could pay decent wages, provide a benefits package, and still make boo-coo money for the greedy Walmart executives.
And the Hose GOP unanimously voted down the minimum wage increase. Does that mean the GOP intends on increase public welfare? No, they intend to gut that too, so what then?
We kid ourselves into thinking we are getting such a great deal by shopping at Walmart. What we are doing is enabling a small group of mega billionaires to pay sub par wages to its employees, purchase sub par goods from companies forced to manufacture overseas to met it’s pricing demands. This puts good paying companies out of business or at least encourages them to move their production operations overseas.
Here’s a “top ten” list why Walmart is bad for America:
“1. Buying billions of goods that weren’t made in America.
2. Pushing U.S. companies to move their factories overseas.
3. Making it easier for other U.S. retailers to buy from foreign factories.
4. Forcing layoffs among its U.S. suppliers.
5. Promoting domestic sweatshops.
6. Squeezing U.S. manufacturers out of business.
7. Discouraging American innovation.
8. Driving competitors to squeeze manufacturing.
9. Lobbying for policies that make it easier to move U.S. jobs overseas.
10. Making growing inequality the accepted norm.”
The full story:
http://www.demos.org/publication/not-made-america-top-10-ways-walmart-destroys-us-manufacturing-jobs
So, you really think we are getting cheap goods at Walmart? Nah we are paying for increased social nets, pushing wages down in manufacturing and retail, sending mega billions of our dollars to the likes of China which we then have to borrow back to pay for Walmart employees social benefits. Not such a good deal huh?
“Hose” Ha! Freudian slip I guess. Should read “House”
Precisely! We are ‘cutting off our nose to spite our face’ in the name of corporate profits.
It’s always been an irony to me. Coporations maximized profits by suppressing wages, we got lower retail price “everyday” and the government picks up the bill for people who can’t make ends meet.
Walmart was one of many corporations which viewed the workforce as “unskilled”, and worthy of a low wage. There was a time when America viewed hard work and effort as a virtue worthy of compensation and provided a livable wage.
Personally, I’d rather pay a more for the cheap crap at Walmart than have a large government entitlement programs that make ends meet for American families. Pay more at the checkout line or more in taxes. Take your pick.
No Cold, you had it right the first time.
What you neglected to say was that many Walmart employees work Walmart as their first job. You also failed to give Walmart credit for bringing $4.00 prescriptions into the mix. How about $39 eyeglasses. Walmart often has lower prices and a better selection than the other food stores in the area, thereby saving lots of people money. Most of the new Walmarts I have seen go in have been placed in towns where the downtown is already dead. It adds additional jobs to the area. Walmart employees then help other businesses stay afloat. The additional monies provided by Walmart allow the employees to by McDonalds, gas and other things including services/
http://www.walmart.com/cp/PI-4-Prescriptions/1078664
You never do reference where you got the information that 80% of Walmart workers were on the public dole. The other poster with the demos.com site links to an article that does not have enough unbiased supporting information to make a good case. Sure Walmart buys from overseas, but most companies do that. Sears, Kmart, JC Penney- all of them do. It is obvious from the tone of your post that you do not like your employer. Fine. Not everybody does. What you need to do is go and find another job. Maybe get yourself an education and develop skills that companies are willing to pay. Walmart will even help you with it’s scholarship program
http://foundation.walmart.com/our-focus/associate-scholarships
Or maybe, since you think you have some business acumen, start up your own company to compete directly with Walmart by selling the goods and services that you want to sell and pay the employees what you want to be paid while working at Walmart. You can even go out with a cardboard sign that says “Will work for food,” No matter which option you choose, you do not have to work for a company that you feel is evil and if you continue to work there under those circumstances then you are every bit as culpable as are the Walmart suits that sit in the corporarte boardroom. Moreso, even, because you know it is wrong.
http://www.inquisitr.com/423693/the-true-cost-of-walmart-to-the-american-taxpayer-op-ed/
The taxpayers subsidize Mallwart to the tune of over $1 billion.
I hate Walmart and avoid it as much as possible. About the only time we shop there is if someone gives us a gift card. The poverty wages, lack of affordable healthcare for employees, poor quality of products and discrimination towards women top my list of the reasons I avoid them.
@7 Attitudes like yours are what’s wrong with America today. It’s the workers fault they don’t make more. Sheesh, what an elitist mindset. You totally overlook the fact that Walmart, while delivering cheap goods is creating havoc within the Manufacturing sector, and those 4$ prescriptions to people who can’t afford health care because they don’t earn a living wage? Big whup.
As a business owner I can tell you that I do not get praised for paying my employees more than minimum wage. I do however get pushback on the price of my goods and service. I wish I had more customers like you guys who don’t care what the cost is and are just happy that the employees where you shop make a “living wage”.
nuscott,
Surely the prices of your goods and services are public knowledge for your customers. I doubt the same true of the wages you pay your employees. In that case, how could you ever have an expectation that you would get praise from customers concerning the latter?
nuscott, when your profits reach that of Walmart, I am sure you would be talked about rather frequently, especially if your workers were getting taxpayer assistance to survive.
CostCo pays considerably better wages and they do not appear to lack for customers.
Kristen, you do realize that your link says the taxpayers subsidize Wal-Mart to the tune of 1.5 billion annually because of Obamacare, right?
I like wallyworrld, the problem is not in what Walmart charges customers, or in what they offer, the problem is that they are subsidized by the US taxpayer as they put away billions in profit. No company should be allowed to do that. It is counter-productive for society but lucrative for Wal-Mart. If you cannot make a profit paying a living wage (i.e. the majority of your employees do not meet the requirements for taxpayer assistance, then I submit it is you who should not be in business and certainly not making a profit off of our purchases and our tax dollars.
It is hilarious how so many right wingers and TEA “party” members will harangue the poor for not getting a better job or for having the audacity to complain about low wages or working conditions, all while screeching about the US debt and deficit but defend the businesses that are getting taxpayer handouts to subsidize their profits. Telling.
I like wallyworrld: A bunch of pro-consumer stuff about Wal-Mart, mostly about eyeglasses and prescription drugs. Finishes with the tired “if you don’t like it, do it your own way and see if you succeed” adage.
In order for you to get a discount, someone has to pay the difference. With glasses, it’s direct (cost of materials and trained staff) and indirect (community losing trained professionals to the one-size-fits-all big box store).
I also wear glasses. I can go to Wal-Mart and spend forty bucks on a cheaply made frame and lenses fabricated off-site to cut down on costs. Or I can spend $250 on a sturdy frame that will last me a decade and lenses cut and measured on site to fit the frame. (And get the previous ones reground and tinted to put in my sunglasses.) I’m hard on eyewear and have been since I was 6-7 years old and got my first pair. Forty bucks every 6-18 months or two hundred fifty every ten years? Which makes more sense from a financial standpoint? Also, which choice keeps the family-owned small business in business?
Who pays for $4 generics? Everyone who takes prescriptions unavailable as a generic who saw their costs creep to balance out the “savings.” Unfortunately, this is a trend here to stay. http://www.nipcweb.com/Walmart_4_dollars.pdf and http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6119292
As far as competing with Wal-Mart…that’s kinda the point. If all you care about is saving a few pennies by purchasing cheaply made crap at a store stocked with people working 39.5 hour weeks who can only make ends meet with government assistance, Wal-Mart is certainly the place to go. My values are different; I spend my dollars in a way that demonstrate those values. I’m angry because Wal-Mart’s double-dipping: my taxes fund their corporate tax breaks as well as the insurance and welfare programs they don’t provide their workers. I would rather they get a tax break by creating their own in-house insurance and welfare programs rather than relying on the general pot.
I like wallyworrld | March 18, 2013 at 10:17 am
No matter which option you choose, you do not have to work for a company that you feel is evil and if you continue to work there under those circumstances then you are every bit as culpable as are the Walmart suits that sit in the corporarte boardroom. Moreso, even, because you know it is wrong.
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There is nothing worse than ruining a good rant with a nonsensical ending.
Do you actually think that the suits at Walmart don’t know that maximizing profits on the backs of a marginalized (and increasingly oppressed) workforce is wrong? Is ignorance supposed to be some kind of justification? That’s ludicrous. Of course they know; they just don’t care. And why would they, when they make billions of dollars per year?
It’s very easy to be apathetic about financial difficulty when you’ve got 10x your base worker’s yearly salary sitting in your “weekend getaway” account. When you spend more on a dinner than your base workers make in a month, you lose sight of the human side of your business.
But that’s not the greatest tragedy, no. The greatest tragedy is that those same corporate entities have fooled some of the people they exploit (you, the poor, the middle class and even their own workers) into defending the very practices and policies that exploit them! This is nothing short of a plague of ignorance, whether willful or not.
Oh, no – it’s totally cool if your hugely profitable corporation latches on to the government teat and pretty much forces your workers to do the same. We taxpayers don’t mind. It’s the price we must pay for the privilege of being able to buy your cost-minimized/profit-maximed Chinese plastic crap. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Give me a break.
Anybody ever watch ‘Undercover Boss’?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=35dNFnuOTLo
I recently saw an interview on Bill Moyers (PBS). The economist said that, at some Walmart locations, on your first day of employment you are given certain papers to fill out for the company, taxes, etc. Included with those papers is an application for food stamps (SNAP) because Walmart knows you will qualify. U.S. taxpayers are subsidizing the billionaire Walton family !!!…but, do we hear any member of Congress crying about that ???
Wrong, Chuck. What is says is that Walmart’s employees will be on Medicaid because Walmart won’t be insuring them. It’s Medicaid, not ACA.
I will join Pirengle in the hard-on-glasses club. God only knows how many pair I broke between ages 10 and 18, when I began wearing contacts.
The first pair my folks ever bought me, in 1968, came with the princely price tag of $80. ($520 in 2012 dollars, but that included the eye exam etc). They forked over that much because these particular frames were billed as indestructible. When I bragged about it to a pal, he suggested we test that out. Laid them on a rock; picked up another rock and . . . you can imagine.
Guess what — they weren’t indestructible!
I forget how long I was grounded for that time.
“Walmart employs more than 1.4 million people, the vast majority of them at wages low enough to qualify them for Medicaid under the new law. That being said, it is going to cost the American taxpayer more than $1,5 billion dollars to provide Walmart’s employees with health care because the retailer doesn’t want to offer it themselves.”
In case anyone wondered.
All you walmart haters out there- The answer is simple: Don’t shop at Walmart! Personally, I find my food dollar goes a lot farther there. I also buy from Amazon.com. I save lots of money there, too. Virtually all of you haters out there are unable to back up your statements with substantative facts:
“I heard that Walmart gives out food stamp papers when they hire you”.
In VA, the maximum amount a single person can make and still get any food stamp assistance is “
Oh my, do not get me started on being hard on glasses. I was six when I entered first grade and someone finally noticed I could not see well. I once fell and broke my glasses in two at the nose. If you can imagine anything sadder than an ugly, scrawny, “coke bottle lens” wearing kid with glasses, it is that same kid wearing them with a large chunk of medical tape at the nose, holding them together for months and months till we could afford a new pair.
No, I have no self esteem left to hurt.
“I heard that Walmart gives out food stamp papers when they hire you”.
In VA, the maximum amount a single person can make and still get any food stamp assistance is “
And the answer- for those of you who did not take the time to look it up is
http://www.dss.virginia.gov/files/division/bp/fs/intro_page/income_limits/income_limits.pdf
$1211 a month
Now if all of you haters would take the time to do some basic research before you go spouting off about how bad Walmart is you would be much better off. Walmart is traded on the stock exchange and lots of people make money off of that stock.
Kristen
What is the amount that qualifies for medicaid under the new law?
Please cite the government source of your information.
I like wallyworrld, how about you do “some basic research before you go spouting off”? Tell us what a starting “associate” at Wal-mart earns?
I will say that Walmart has found a source for the crappiest bananas of any grocer around. Either green as grass or already past ripe.
Regarding their “fresh” food in general, when I think about how cheap Walmart is, and how much they source from third world countries, I think about the pollution that food’s made under. Last week over 8,000 carcasses of cows that had died of disease where found floating in the main tributary supplying water to Shanghai, China. Guess what? City authorities said it would not affect the quality of the drinking water! So either it’s so bad already that 8,000 diseased cow carcasses doesn’t affect it, or they lie about what in their potables, or they nevertheless create water and food as fresh and healthy as anywhere else. If you believe the latter, Walmart has some fresh food to sell you, as cheap as the poorest Chinese worker can make it.
Despite my vanity, I could never adjust to contacts. The one semi-acceptable pair of soft lens I ever had were lost in the fountain of an ODAC college. (Ah, youth). But the recent 60 Minutes report about Luxottica’s eyeglass monopoly was a real eye opener, so to speak.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57527151/sticker-shock-why-are-glasses-so-expensive/
Wally, I cited the article I got the clip from. If you need more, go find it yourself.
“Walmart is traded on the stock exchange and lots of people make money off of that stock.”
LOL. So is Nike. Check out those sweatshops why don’t you and get back to me on how fabulous they are to their employees,.
I like wallyworld: All you walmart haters out there- The answer is simple: Don’t shop at Walmart!
Trouble is, Wal-Mart is established beyond the power of a boycott. Same goes with the midnight-on-Thanksgiving Black Friday stores, even though I don’t participate.
Fun fact: it IS possible to have moral and ethical outrage over things that have little or no impact on your own life but cause those around you to suffer.
Walmart is traded on the stock exchange and lots of people make money off of that stock.
This article from last June says that half of Wal-Mart’s 3.6 billion shares are held by the Walton family and upper management. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/business/at-annual-meeting-walmart-to-confront-shareholder-unrest.html That’s something else Wal-Mart could do better that places like Costco prove can work profitably: ESOs and employee vesting.
Sandi Saunders: If you can imagine anything sadder than an ugly, scrawny, “coke bottle lens” wearing kid with glasses, it is that same kid wearing them with a large chunk of medical tape at the nose, holding them together for months and months till we could afford a new pair.
That might have been me in grade school. Krazy Glue does wonders for plastic glasses.
Gee Kristen
GREAT resource there. Nothing but hot air. No statement about where the figures came from. Nothing.
Sandi- Unlik Kristen, I have done my research:
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/19/leaked-document-reveals-walmarts-meager-compensation-structure/
In essence, a Walmart employee can expect to start at a salary of at least $8.00 an hour. Which, in VA, puts that full time employee ABOVE the weekly maximum of $281.63 for single person to recieve food stamps.
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/19/leaked-document-reveals-walmarts-meager-compensation-structure/
If you want to earn MORE, the get a marketable job skill. The world does NOT owe you a living. Virginia, as well as most other states has a very good community college program that allows people to develop the skills they need to get a good job. The cost is inexpensive and financial aid is out there for those that need it.
Oh yeah, Kristen- I do not buy Nike brand clothing. I consider it to be too expensive for what I get. And I will be more than happy to quit buying my food at Walmart if you will help me make up the difference in my budget.
Warren- I look at the labels to see where my food originates from. I do not buy most of Walmart’s frozen vegetables as they do come from China. By the way, it was PIG carcasses, not COW carcasses that were found in the river:
http://www.newsbcc.com/Malaysia/Business/8000_dead_pigs_are_taken_out_of_river/421333/
I found this out by doing a little research (start with Google)
While I am absolutely delighted for anybody who can get cheap glasses who could not get them before, let’s not forget that the $39 or $50 or whatever glasses aren’t right for a large number of people. At Walmart, my lenses cost $350, and even their most expensive frames are rickety compared to good frames from other outlets. There’s a reason they’re inexpensive.
I’d be interested to know what you guys think of the WOTC program. I’ve worked at one fastfood restaurant where filling out WOTC forms was mandatory.
http://www.doleta.gov/business/incentives/opptax/wotcEmployers.cfm
Yeah, 8,000 diseased pig corpses in the water supply is so much better than cow corpses, isn’t it, ILW?
Many Malwart foods, fresh and frozen, and most Great Value (Malwart store brand) canned goods give no indication where they originated, only that they’re distributed by WM. They intentionally hide the source, so reading labels is no help.
And the fact that many WM workers in Va. make just slightly too much to qualify for food stamps makes their wages seem like nothing but a public relations determined wage level that only adds insult to injury.
If getting a marketable job skill and subsequently a livable wage job were as easy as ILW insists, then there wouldn’t be so many recent veterans, including many with applicable civilian skill sets, out of work. I guess ILW is one of those who feels they don’t owe our veterans a life, because without a living, one can’t have a life, and ILW doesn’t seem to give anymore of a damn about them than about Malwart wage earners.
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Cold,
Are you paying your clerks enough to raise a family of four with no government assistance? That’s what the liberals are asking Walmart to do. I just wonder if you’re doing it.
Attacks against the nation’s most successful retailer are no coincidence folks. It’s ALL orchestrated from the same place, the shot-callers of the Communist Left who hate not only capitalists, but ESPECIALLY those who snub the union bosses who launder dues money for the Democrat Party.
We;ve been over this before. It’s absolutely preposterous to blame Walmart because the liberals have installed a giant welfare state. 17-year-old checkers with ear gauges aren’t supposed to earn enough to support a family because entry-level jobs requiring little skills don’t command that kind of income and never have.
The poverty wages, lack of affordable healthcare for employees, poor quality of products and discrimination towards women top my list of the reasons I avoid them.
Word for word Patrick. Good job. You attending PH or Fleming?
Man, I can make Suzie break her Lenten vows on a dime! It’s quite amazing when you think about it. Dan Casey’s blog is obviously more important to her than her promises to God.
#40 Doesn’t take much bait, does it, Dan?
If you think this clown’s actually “gone” anywhere I got a bridge I want to sell you.
Man, I can make Suzie break her Lenten vows on a dime! It’s quite amazing when you think about it.
Very similar to how I can make the leftwingers go nuts about Lent every time I post. It tickles me how I can launch a whole new round by just making a comment.
Dan@12 and Sandi@13
My prices actually are not posted because of the type of business we are. There is no way to tell what the cost to the customer is going to be without very specific information that is attributed to each customer. Most days we are beat down over the price after quoting,
Sandi, I hope one day I make enough money to quite the job I do as an employee. The profits of Wal-Mart are way out of my league.
My comment was more an address to the fact that no person goes shopping looking to find out how much a person helping them makes. Most people don’t really care. I use Wal-Mart for some things because I know I can find what I am looking for there. I do on ocassion go somewhere closer to home and knowingly pay more for the product for the convenience. Which person makes more for helping me does not play into where I will buy the item. I have to believe that we are all the same in that respect.
My real issue with people villifying large corporations is that they want to legislate morality based on the structure of the largest companies in the game. The companies that pay thier CEO, CFO, Controller, Etc.. $500,000 a year while paying the rank and file $20,000 A year do need to change thier pay philosophy in my opinion.(my job as an employee is at a company like this). I can’t change that and I do not believe the government should be interested in changing that either. Remember that type of business is in the very, very small minority. Most businesses in the world and especially in the US are companies with very few employees and small bank accounts. Trying to come into compliance for a law aimed at the largest employers is too much for most businesses to handle. Inevitably it means that the smaller business has to price itself out of competitiveness. If every employee had to be paid 10.00 an hour, as is being suggested in some circles, the only businesses sure to survive will be the Wal-Marts of the world.
When trying to decide how to remedy the issue of lopsided CEO to rank and file pay don’t forget that the legislation will affect a small portion of businesses one way and will have a very different effect on a majority of businesses. Wouldn’t it be boring to HAVE to shop at a big box store because all of the small businesses have been forced out?
Cut gurl some slack; it’s okay to break your lent vows when it’s obviously the spirit compelling you to speak. There is little doubt among Catholic scholars that Christ would most certainly have shopped at WalMart.
NU SCOTT,
What legislation have I suggested? No one’s trying to “legislate morality” here. All that’s happening is we’re bringing to light the hypocrisy of RWers — who are both the biggest defenders of Walmart and the biggest critics of its employees who are on the dole.
So were not interested in a solution?
‘Very similar to how I can make the leftwingers go nuts about Lent every time I post. It tickles me how I can launch a whole new round by just making a comment.’
Because that’s what Lent is really about.
I like wallyworrld, are you basing those wage calculations on the job at Wal-mart being “full-time”? That is another Wal-Mart trick, NOT having full-time “associates”. So your calculations and formulas will likely not apply. Many of the Wal-Mart associates are wage earners supporting themselves and children too, not just single people. I do not consider eight dollars an hour a living wage. You will not be able to afford housing, a vehicle, or insurance. Surely that is not a model we should applaud in a situation where Wal-Mart profits are $15.7 billion.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2012/snapshots/2255.html
Also, your trite, gain some job skills…, is not cogent, if a person does that, another person will merely take their place at Wal-Mart. We need these jobs, what we also need is to understand the full cost of having them. The US taxpayer is subsidizing Wal-Marts billions in profit any way you slice it.
NU Scott, point taken, sadly most people do not think about the wage being paid to the person who gives them any service. Not only at Wal-mart but the grocery store, the shoe store, the library, the fast-food place, the motel, the pool, or many other places.
My point is not that we should not or cannot have low wage workers, My point is that we need to be honest about why taxpayers, including those at all those places, are subsidizing the profits of these businesses. Small struggling places are one thing, giant hugely profitable businesses are another and it is a problem and adds to the cost of the safety nets so the benefit is not to us, now is it?
“Very similar to how I can make the leftwingers go nuts about Lent every time I post.”
Thanks for making it clear exactly how important you think Lent is, suzie. Just another trolling tool for you.
It’s really none of your business Suzie, but no, none of my employees are on government assistance.
How much do you get in Social Security each month Suzie?
It’s really none of your business Suzie, but no, none of my employees are on government assistance.
I notice you didn’t say your employers could raise a family by themselves on the wages you pay, like you liberals ask Walmart to do. That omission is rather telling.
I’ll bet your wage/benefit package isn’t as good as Walmart provides.
If you think this clown’s actually “gone” anywhere I got a bridge I want to sell you.
More proof this person has no interest in civility. He screams the loudest about wanting me banned for being “uncivil”. Then we get this nugget, totally unprovoked, while I have been nothing but civil.
Thanks for making it clear exactly how important you think Lent is, suzie. Just another trolling tool for you.
44 comments on the subject and counting. This is great fun.
You think I’d bet with a welcher? Ha. Keep you bets Suzie. You would lose and never pay off like the last bet we had. Remember?
56 You think I’d bet with a welcher? Ha. Keep you bets Suzie. You would lose and never pay off like the last bet we had. Remember?
Your diversion confirms my hunch, Cold. Maybe you should refrain from criticizing Walmart and just agree check-out positions were never meant to support a family.
No one here owes your anonymous alter ego any answers. It is none of your business what anyone else does, pays, earns or where they live, worship or work. You go to such pains to be anonymous (for obvious reasons!) and then chide others and want them to relay personal or business information just so you can then deride and exploit it. You are a cancer on this blog and apparently there is nothing we can do about it, but give you answers, oh hell no, we do not have to do that.
Please stop feeding the ego folks.
I ask again Suzie, how much to you bring home each month from social security Suzie? Answer or shut up. I’m a producer, you’re a taker. End of story.
“44 comments on the subject and counting. This is great fun.”
Only suzie would take something as sacred as the Lent season and turn it into a trolling joke. I’m sure the new conservative pope approves.
My point is not that we should not or cannot have low wage workers,
That is just absurdly ridiculous. Many low-skill jobs don’t and shouldn’t command a “living wage”. Jeez. Should I even have to say this?
It is none of your business what anyone else does, pays, or earns.
Excellent. So then you’ll agree to MYOB about how Walmart compensates its employees?
What kind of sad, piteous loser would hang around a place where no one likes them or wants them to be there? I mean, exactly how devoid of a meaningful life do you really have to be?
Is being an online fool some kind of relief for a crippling real-life inferiority complex? It would make sense, really. The powerless, compliant Stepfordesque wife escapes her bleak reality by claiming an online identity that WAY overdoes the egotism and self-importance wrapped in a bow of pseudo-piety in a feeble attempt to hold some power, however tenuous or outright delusional.
Either way, it’s a pitiful barometer of one’s worth (or lack thereof). At the Pearly Gates, I’m fairly sure you won’t be asked as a condition of entry, “How many websites did you hang out on where no one really liked you?” Question number 2: “How often did you swoop to the defense of that poor, persecuted mega-corporation, Walmart?”
What a completely useless waste of life.
NU SCOTT, I don’t necessarily shop with the employees wages in mind. I do keep in mind other things about the operation – how it effects local communities, whether or not they try to be energy efficient, how they treat their suppliers and employees in general – when deciding where to spend my money. And I do believe in voting with your wallet, and I don’t shop at Walmart. I can afford to pay a little more for my food – assuming that Walmart has everything cheaper, which I don’t necessarily believe – and price isnt’ my primary driver. I do think it would be boring if the only options we had were big box stores.
wally, I can “Google” and find a few sites that prove the moon is made of cheese. Big deal.
Hmmm, I wonder why suzie keeps refusing to answer CNP’s question.
No Suzie #61 reading comprehension impaired, you do not “have to say this”. You misread what I wrote. And FYI, YOU are not Walmart. It is not a personal issue when we are discussing Walmart. Grow up.
What kind of sad, piteous loser would hang around a place where no one likes them or wants them to be there? I mean, exactly how devoid of a meaningful life do you really have to be?
Is being an online fool some kind of relief for a crippling real-life inferiority complex? It would make sense, really. The powerless, compliant Stepfordesque wife escapes her bleak reality by claiming an online identity that WAY overdoes the egotism and self-importance wrapped in a bow of pseudo-piety in a feeble attempt to hold some power, however tenuous or outright delusional.
Either way, it’s a pitiful barometer of one’s worth (or lack thereof). At the Pearly Gates, I’m fairly sure you won’t be asked as a condition of entry, “How many websites did you hang out on where no one really liked you?” Question number 2: “How often did you swoop to the defense of that poor, persecuted mega-corporation, Walmart?”
What a completely useless waste of life.
Pretty harsh, JM White, considering, I ‘ve been pretty restrained in my posts the past five weeks, both in number and in tone. Sounds like you can’t be pleased.
No one here owes your anonymous alter ego any answers.
It’s funny how liberals love to take shots at Walmart or the Catholic Church but when you ask to check out THEIR backyard, boy do they bristle up like a cornered cat.
To wrap up this thread, it isn’t Walmart you leftwingers ought to be complaining about. You are free not to deal with them. Unfortunately, not so with the federal government. They can tax, imprison, fine, even kill any one of you just because they feel like it. And unlike Walmart, their customer service is lousy.
It is the U.S. government you ought to be fearful of and outraged about. When the Communists finally gain control, do you think they will show you any gratitude for carrying their water all these years?
“It’s funny how liberals love to take shots at Walmart or the Catholic Church but when you ask to check out THEIR backyard, boy do they bristle up like a cornered cat.”
–Suzie
It’s funny how conservatives love to defend Walmart and the Catholic Church anonymously, but if you want them to do it under their own names they bristle up like a cornered cat.
#47 “Very similar to how I can make the leftwingers go nuts yap yap yap blah blah blah…”
So at long last, you finally acknowledge that your entire reason for posting on this blog is for the sake of being a troll.
Good for you Suzie, admitting it is the first step.
It’s funny how conservatives love to defend Walmart and the Catholic Church anonymously, but if you want them to do it under their own names they bristle up like a cornered cat.
I’ll use my full name the minute Gdad, Kristen, Warren et. al. do the same.
Like I said, the demands, the rules don’t apply to liberals.
There’s no end to the ego, huh? It was pretty harsh, though I don’t think I directly addressed it to you. I’ll gladly apologize to an internet caricature if I have offended any of its delicate sensibilities… it just won’t be sincere. It’s impossible to be sincere with an amorphous mass of binary code, but if you need it to feel better…
On the other hand, did my comment hit a little too close to home?
I can actually be pleased, you know. If I could go for just one month without seeing some inane, asinine troll from you or seeing the overwhelming need that everyone (myself included now) seems to have in addressing your inane, asinine trolls, I’d be pleased. I’d be pleased if everyone just completely stopped addressing you, at all, ever. I’d be pleased the most if you were to vacate the blog completely until you got a major attitude adjustment and decided to be real for once.
For the record, I liked bitchy, chocolate-fountain-at-GC Suzie infinitely better than your recent Our Lady of Guadaloopy, over-the-top pious schtick. I don’t know. Maybe your character needs a radical reboot or something. Everything you do is so stale and recycled. Maybe just kill Suzie off and start fresh. Or don’t. Your whole point seems to be being obnoxious and you’re quite successful at that.
Really, my complete and total apathy towards your character only wavers when I’m bored. You’re like that dusty toy mouse in the corner that the cat will bat around once or twice every couple of weeks.
“I’ll use my full name the minute Gdad, Kristen, Warren et. al. do the same.”
–Suzie
Like I said, the demands, the rules don’t apply to liberals.”
Many liberals and moderates already use their full names here. Those include Sandi, Ron, JM White (he prefers to think of himself as an anarchist, I’d reckon) Bill Perdue, Jason Perdue, Richard Beason, and some others. Is their ONE reliably conservative poster who does?
The answer is no, and the chief (but not the only) reason is that none of them wishes for their names to be identified with the often ludicrous view they express here. The nonconsevatives who post under a nickname have their reasons for doing that; the craziness of the stuff they write doesnt’ strike me as one of those, however.
Gdad, Kristen, Warren, et al: don’t bother calling her bluff. She won’t begin posting under her actual name no matter what you do.
“Gdad, Kristen, Warren, et al: don’t bother calling her bluff. She won’t begin posting under her actual name no matter what you do.”
Of course she/he wouldn’t.
“Gdad, Kristen, Warren, et al: don’t bother calling her bluff. She won’t begin posting under her actual name no matter what you do.”
I know Dan, and I don’t even use personal pronouns that accept the posters claim of gender (I realize you just do it for convenience, not out of proof). But I would point out that I use my real first name, and have given you my full name in an email address along with a bit of personal info. Can the serial holy vow breaker say the same?
Many more of the “et al” already do, name one Conservative who does? At this point, I would pray that I never come to know who some of you actually are, pretending you are foreign to my community and that your dishonesty and hate does not reside here is a fantasy I cling to.
Does your mind really compare a person to the Catholic Church or Wal-Mart? Are you that childish? Speaking about the Catholic Church, Wal-Mart or 7-Eleven has nothing to do with you asking personal questions and demanding information of individuals. Why am I not surprised at your warped perspective.
You can pretend we should all just forget the viper that was Suzie before the “new rules” kicked in and now you are afraid of Dan for a change, but it is not going to happen. Stop complaining, you made your bed and the disdain you receive is well and truly earned.
Changing the subject because you are losing the discussion is also typical.
Wal-mart’s profits are subsidized by taxpayers, they have been for decades. If we knew the true numbers it would be staggering and you defend that while condemning helping people have a roof over their heads and food on the table. You actually blame the poor people.
Saddest of all, Wal-Mart is not alone.
This new pretend “piety” and religious symbolism from such a hate filled entity is really over the top and IMO blasphemy. I keep harping on it because it is much more offensive than the “bitchy, chocolate-fountain-at-GC Suzie” too. Do you think we believe it or do you like people thinking you are making fun of Jesus’ teachings?
None of the other people here who claim to be religious have said a word and I find that telling too. Pistol Pete has proven that he hates liberals more than your mockery of all that is Holy. And it IS mockery.
The answer is no, and the chief (but not the only) reason is that none of them wishes for their names to be identified with the often ludicrous view they express here. The nonconsevatives who post under a nickname have their reasons for doing that; the craziness of the stuff they write doesnt’ strike me as one of those, however.
Right. Nothing radical about Hillary’s stuff.
No, the reason conservatives don’t use our full names is we want to express our views without some leftwing loon trying to harm our businesses or showing up at our doorstep.
Changing the subject because you are losing the discussion is also typical (of the serial vow breaker).
Very true Sandi, so I’d like to reiterate that the GOTP leadership’s autopsy of their 2012 electoral humiliation never mentions what the serial vow breaker claims were the main factors. They ignored the poster’s ideas completely. Ignored. Completely.
Changing the subject because you are losing the discussion is also typical.
Nope. My comments were about Walmart. Then people started chiming in about the Lent thing. Typical leftwing diversionary tactic once they couldn’t address my initial three posts.
“he prefers to think of himself as an anarchist, I’d reckon”
A slightly sociopathic anarchist with megalomaniacal, dissociative tendencies, Dan. At least that’s what my “Pocket Guide to Diagnosis of Mental Disorders” says.
I’d call myself a “moral individualist”, just to be PC, but I’m totally cool with anarchist, too.
Misery loves company, I can’t understand why people keep opening the door when it knocks.
This new pretend “piety” and religious symbolism from such a hate filled entity is really over the top and IMO blasphemy. I keep harping on it because it is much more offensive than the “bitchy, chocolate-fountain-at-GC Suzie” too.
You call for civility, then when you get it, it’s not good enough. Believe me, it has been quite a chore to show the restraint I have. But as I say, liberals don’t want civility. If they did, they would support others’ efforts to display it. Instead, you become even more hateful, as if you are trying to goad us to respond in kind.
The sad part is that because she is not calling people names any more she really believes she is “civil”.
One thing is true. Walmart has had help in destroying the fabric of Americas middle class. Here’s the story of 64 corporations that have raped the american taxpayer over the past 5 years. GE leads the pack with Exxon a close second. You won’t be surprised at the rest of the shameful 64. They represent the “Cream” of American business acumen:
http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/16-giant-corporations-have-basically-stopped-paying-taxes
Way are we allowing this to happen?
“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
― Abraham Lincoln
“Believe me, it has been quite a chore to show the restraint I have. ”
Lies. Trolling BS. Posts that drip with disdain. Complete disregard for anybody else’s opinion. Great “restraint” there, suze.
Suzie, you cannot un-ring a bell. You made your bed. I have no intention of ever treating you with any more than the tiniest modicum of civility required to stay within the TOS and I freely admit it. I do not believe you know what civility is. This act of yours is not civility. You are like a sociopath trying to blend into society. Your blasphemy with the pictures and the Christian dogma from such a vicious person is not only discourteous, it is wrong, literally.
Suzie, the civil thing for you to do is just go away. We all know even you don’t believe half of what you puke and we’ve heard all your crap by now. It’s time to take your act on the road to another venue. We Ain’t buying any more of your tripe.
It’s not just the Atheists or the Libs, suz; all of us are concerned about your constant lying and the impact it’s going to have on your ability to get in to Heaven. At this clip you are undoubtedly on a runaway freight train straight to Hell because of your lies, suz.
First it was the yarn about “Jetting up to NYC for the day” and from there it’s like you opened up the flood gates and haven’t been able to stop lying since; there was the business about fried fish that had been closed for a year and a half that you claimed hubsters company did gratis duct work for, than the balderdash about hubbies HVAC business which of course morphed into the brouhaha about the “Top 25 Roanoke area businesses” you two owned. As if these fibs weren’t enough, than we got treated to the BS about having four, count ‘em four, AC units in your house. Then of course you also fed us the baloney about your Master’s degree in Engineering, the business about the weekend trips to Hawaii, the bizarre claims about running intervals at the track, the bluster about being for Golden Corral before you were against it, the broken promises about leaving the blog when Dan deleted gurls posts and culminating in the barely believable fib about you “mailing in” a Mitt landslide.
Gurl needs to face the facts; all this lying adds up to blasphemy. suz. The only question left is whether or not your little charade is worth eternal damnation? suz, if he had a dime for every time you lied on this blog, I could the entire audience out for drinks on Friday and get everyone so plastered they’d spend the entire next morning doing Irish yoga.
Q- How do know if suz is lying?
A-If she posts on Dan’s blog, it’s a lie.
You may not buy Suzies `crap`, Cold n p(once again, real cute) but you sure do give her ALOT of attention.
Don`t fret Suzie…these liberal posters on this `blog` have never grown up…they are still children, mentally. They were given trophies for LOSING and I feel sure thier trophy cases are full. You can`t expect a human being to have the least amount of civility and spine when they`ve been babied all of thier lives. There is no reality for them…only what they make up…and are told to believe by thier captors.
Awood @ 2:35, I also smack my dog with a rolled up paper when it pees on the living room carpet. What’s your point?
#91 “you sure do give her ALOT of attention.”
Sure, just like a parent gives an incessantly misbehaving child “ALOT of attention”, ‘cos that’s exactly what Suz has become.
“They were given trophies for LOSING and I feel sure thier trophy cases are full.”
Nope, not a single one.
You should go back to Applewood Awood, It doesn’t make you sound like such a… well you get the idea. You sure do waste a lot of time here for a guy who made his fortune and retired early, I don’t remember the age, what was it again? 13?
Suzie is fast turning me to be one of those horrible “liberals” she is so mean to. I am, by no means “liberal”, and I still think Walmart is a crappy employer. As long people like you, who I consider to be mean, spiteful, and outright narrow minded, are what represent the “conservative” view, I will have to hang up my “conservative” hat. It is no small wonder that the Republican Party is having to revamp their policies, and image, to appeal to more voters. There is not enough change in the world to get more people on your side considering the way you present yourself and your views. Not afraid to post my name either……Donna Gibson, soon to be former “conservative”, or, as Suzie says: “one of those leftwing loon(s)”.
Suzie would only “fret” if people ignored her. Your concern is touching Awood. You not being the sort to insult people and being so brave, civil and kind yourself. You may claim we are the ones “given trophies” but you and Suzie are the braggarts here…
It is laughable for an anonymous blogger to speak of having “spine”.
Donna, +1. Suzie can chalk up yet another “conversion.”
Gah! It pats itself on the back!
It pats itself on the back!
It puts the lotion on its skin…
Sorry, Art Hill, couldn’t resist.
Suzie is fast turning me to be one of those horrible “liberals” she is so mean to.
Can you point to anything even remotely “mean” I said on this thread or any other in recent months? Certainly nothing that compares to, say, JMWhite’s insults. Yet his remarks are no problem for you.
I am by no means liberal
Oh, of course not. That’s why the selective outrage.
“Suzie is fast turning me to be one of those horrible “liberals” she is so mean to.”
Well, Donna, we know that Frank just recently got upset about a certain derisive term and said liberals were the ones using the term. And since suzie has used the term in the past and worse, perhaps she really is a liberal. At least according to Frank.
On P.O.T.U.S. the other afternoon, the guest was a Republican and he was speaking of the efforts to “re-brand” the party and gain a digital presence…caller after caller was someone saying essentially what Donna said: I’m a Republican but until this party gets out of the busybody stuff I will not vote that way…after about the third call he said he was sorry to hear it but he was sure it was nothing the party was doing wrong (words to that effect) and the host said…are you kidding? He wasn’t. He, like Suzie, was just sure people were misunderstanding the party. I say, keep digging.
Like I said, Suzie thinks because she no longer calls us names or uses offensive language toward the President she is now “civil”.
Civil, meaning “adequate in courtesy and politeness” is about a lot more than not calling people names.
I think it is not so much “misunderstanding” the party, as it is understanding the party as it is today. The Republican party has become something I no longer want to associate myself with. Not ready for the “Liberal” label either. Something more along the line of a Common Sense Party would be favored by me. Since that does not exist, I am, and shall remain partyless. Knowing that partyless is not a word, I beg the forgiveness of the grammar and spelling police.
I think it is not so much “misunderstanding” the party, as it is understanding the party as it is today. The Republican party has become something I no longer want to associate myself with.
You’ve got the talking points down, Donna. The problem is, they tend to fall apart when the question is asked: “What conservative position has changed since the days of Ronald Reagan?” It’s still the same: low taxes, limited government, pro-life, anti gay-marriage.
Now if your objection with the Republican Party is they’ve thrown conservatives overboard, then I would agree with you. But given your screed against Walmart, I doubt that’s what you meant.
Civil, meaning “adequate in courtesy and politeness” is about a lot more than not calling people names.
I’ve been polite. You haven’t.
#107 As we all know, suzie, right wingers today would consider Reagan a moderate. They’d be deriding him as a CINO. You won’t even argue the point because you know I’m right.
BTW, suzie, I thought you declared this thread wrapped up more than 40 posts ago.
@107 That’s funny, I don’t care what anybody says:
1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser.
2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit.
3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts.
4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously.
5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose.
As for lgbt rights? “If he was around today, and had two gay friends out in Hollywood who decided to get married, Reagan would probably shake his head, and maybe crack a joke at their expense, but he might just send them a wedding present.”
I could go on, but you get the drift. St Ronnie would not be recognized as a conservative today. Since you offer no proof to your assertions, I see no need to link mine to sources. You can google just as well as I.
The current crop of GOP hacks claim a heritage they don’t live up too. You need to go back another 45 years and get Continental to get a true sense of their ideology of today.
Yep, CNP, I reckon we can wrap up this thread now.