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I don’t know about Fox News (like most people who follow this blog, I get my news from Comedy Central), but I know that it was Fox Sports who first reported that NASCAR was manipulating their own races. Because when you get down to it, around here we care more about wreckin’ and rubbin’ than we do about Barrack’s “I don’t know nothin’ ’bout birthin’ no babes” Obamacare. Hooray for Fox Sports – Reporting the truth for over five years!
Interesting. I love the last statement in the clip.
I want just one — ONE! — of those douchebags to give up their health insurance and see what life is like for them and their family. Oh, and the “news” in Fox News is a punchline.
In all fairness, Fox is one network that is right/conservative….all the other news channels go from left of middle to far left. Ad up the total viewers for Fox vs all the others. They seem to have a fairly strong base of viewers. Dan, you are the same type of journalist…..just on the left of left. You have to write what sells…..controversy, conflicts and mostly crap. So there, God Bless you and all the other Koolaid drinkers of whatever flavor.
and I want just one – ONE! of those douchebags in congress to enroll in Obamacare. When the cooks won’t eat their own cooking we should all worry.
Hokie81 hate to break the news to you but all of congress will be under the health act. The only difference is that they had an opportunity to read it but most did not
Fox is right/conservative. However, they make up news. If their new was fact checked most of it would say “pant on fire!!” It not true news!! Biased to the nth degree!
Bill Adkins | September 29, 2013 at 10:59 am
Normally, when one prefaces their comment with “In all fairness,” they actually make a comparison to the subject being discussed. Your non-sequitur went nowhere fast and you knew it, so you take a few shots at Dan on the way out.
Also, when discussing the dishonesty of a news network, it really doesn’t help your case at all to point out the viewership without first rebutting the dishonesty angle. It only highlights the fact that a lot of people, including yourself, are willingly ignorant and too easily fooled.
If you have healthcare what are you bitching about?, oh you don’t have the high deductible which is like not having insurance at all perhaps the new healthcare proposed will help a lot of people not a few. We should have universal care most of you don’t want that you want the coverage your company has which is better FOR YOU, well think about someone else for a change.
“Fox is right/conservative. However, they make up news.”
Could you link to some examples please? Because I’m certain none of the other so-called news networks would ever do that.
Oh and who could forget Dan Rather and ‘Memogate’ over at good ole CBS.
The truth is, Fox is biased toward the conservative side just as most every other media outlet has a notable bias toward the left. Fox also intermixes opinion and fact in most of their reports and their programming consists more of “news analysis” than actual objective news. However, in that, they are no different than any other “news” channel. MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS . . . they all do exactly the same thing because they (Fox included) are in the business to make money. They pander to their audiences and air what sells.
If any of you believe they are answering some higher calling in a desire to inform the public, I’ve got some beachfront property near the University of Oklahoma for sale that you might like. Their may be individual reporters here and there who still hold those prinicipled ideals, but the corporate entities that give their marching orders only care about ratings and ad dollars. Fox is no better or worse than the rest, they just seem reprehensible to most here because you disagree with their particular political bias. Strangely you don’t show similar outrage when one of your favored networks “makes up” their news.
J.M. Wright calling Bill Adkins ignorant seems rather rude. Maybe it was not nice of him to talk harshly of Mr. Casey for allowing us this forum to vent our opinions on various topics of the world and times, but no sense getting all personal and foul.
I opine Fox News truly attempts to present a fair unbiased presentation of events. On the NEWS. Now, when they go onto different talk/discussion shows that can change rather dramatically. However, even on those shows some valuable information is learned that is not found on other news programs or channels until later. Sometimes much later.
I am not saying they should be your only source of news information, but I do not think you should block them out either. Has anyone tried BBC News? They have some very interesting American news that you never see on any of the other networks also, along with a different perspective of major ones that all the others do have. Or for a radically different news try The Vatican Website news service.
It can be very interesting if you have the time to see the difference. Even if in just one story. Just food for thought.
Poor Chuck. It must be frustrating to live in a world where almost ALL the media doesn’t kowtow to your point of view . . .
bam, how is pointing out ignorance rude? If someone tells you that the moon is made of cheese, is it rude to tell them that are horribly misinformed? If someone swears that the moon is made of cheese, is it wrong to tell them that they are ignorantly misinformed?
By that logic, I’d say that misspelling someone’s last name when it is easily referenced by looking at the same post where you’re commenting is rude, as well.
The interesting thing will be how the shutdown is reported. Will it be blamed on the Democrats for not giving in to the demands of the GOP? Or will it be blamed on the GOP for being too stubborn and stiff necked. I blame both sides on this one. Recently the House and the Senate seem to more concerned about what is good for them rather than what is good for the country. Anything that will keep them in office is all most of them care about. The democrats won’t admit there are some problems with the ACA and the GOP is unwilling to come up with ideas to fix ACA. It’s kind of like two doctors, one of which seems to think the problem is all in the patients head and the other thinks the best course action to fix a paper cut is to amputate the arm. It’s time our leaders started to lead rather than worry about staying in power.
“The democrats won’t admit there are some problems with the ACA and the GOP is unwilling to come up with ideas to fix ACA.”
Actually, this is untrue. The Democrats never have claimed the ACA is perfect. Already, some fixes have been made to it.
But the Republicans are allowing no more “fixes.” The only “fix” they’re interested in is scrapping the whole thing.
I don’t think you’ve really thought this through, Perry D. Do you not realize what a horrible precedent it would set for the Senate and/or the President to just give in because the other side is demanding it. What a terrible example that would set for young people. Throw a temper tantrum long enough and you’ll get your way.
I watch Fox News and other shows on the network all the time. The problem is my IQ drops 10 points after watching it. Especially watching The 5, O’Reilly or Hannity. One scientific discovery Fox News should get credit for is Alan West proves there’s life on other planets.
Debbie@ 16. Wrong! The American people are demanding it. 77% want obamacare delayed if not repealed. Not just delayed for special groups he hand picks but for all. $17 trillion in debt and $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities and this bunch decides to do a new government run bureaucracy, which is a tax…wow, brilliant!
I believe that politicians in general and Republicans in particular have been “more concerned about what is good for them rather than what is good for the country” for a very long time. I do not know precisely when they turned into “Larry ‘Lonesome’ Rhodes” but it is killing this nation by degrees. The inequality that has caused an abyss that may be sending more of us into perpetual poverty for no good reason is laid at their feet and no matter the rhetoric, they will not fix anything because FOX is not remotely the only entity that is “in the business to make money. They pander to their audiences“, that is politics in this nation for the past 40 years IMO as well.
The problem, and it will not be resolved, is that both “sides” believe to their souls that they are right and no amount of evidence will convince them they are not. But the big problem with FOX is that they claim “fair and balanced” and go out of their way to be unfair and unbalanced. They are partisan like MSNBC so that is not the problem, they are not honest, and that is a problem. Other networks do have instances of artifice with the truth and ignore facts that don’t ft the story, but for FOX it is a normal every day occurrence. THAT is the difference.
In the end the citizens are the problem. Lazy butt Americans “educating” themselves from the TV is sad. We can’t blame Fox just as we can’t blame Jim Beam. We’ve had the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, and now the era of Ignorance.
Oh, Another Chuck, you simply . . . don’t know. You THINK you know, though. It’s worrisome.
But when 90% of Americans wanted increased background checks they were ignored and not believed…how do you reconcile that Another Chuck? You all only care about what ‘the people’ think when they agree with you.
The problem arose because of the cost of health care in this nation and like it or not, Obamacare is here to stay.
J.M. White | September 29, 2013 at 5:27 pm
My sincere apology for my stupidity and ignorance at misspelling your name. Truly a grand error on my part. I beg your pardon. Even though we may disagree on other points; I meant nothing personal.
Those people-Chuck, Another Chuck, Perry D, etc.- who point to this poll or that one about the ACA are ignoring three crucial things:
1) Competing opinion polls aren’t the way our system works. Electoral polls are. As Sandi pointed out, in other issues, notably universal gun purchase background checks, definite large majorities have sometimes been unable to translate their opinion polling into law. This is especially true in the case of a recently re-affirmed law that’s already in effect. And the ACA polling is anything but definitive (see point #2). So as with most things, “conservatives” bray about opinion polls except when they don’t like the results, then they suddenly rediscover constitutional process.
2) Even if most opinion polls on any subject roughly agree, all polls that include responses from those who don’t understand the subject being asked about are worth very little. In the case of the ACA, polls vary significantly according to important factors, such as whether they ask about the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare, showing that their most common denominator is simply a discrediting lack of understanding among the respondents.
3) GOTP gerrymandering has, as an unintended consequence, traded electoral success for legislative impact. The fact that the GOTP held onto a majority in the House despite 1.7 million more votes going to Democratic candidates shows the extent of gerrymandering to protect the GOTP. How this affects the ACA debate is that it causes a lot of “conservative” opinion to become legislatively superfluous; by being crowded into districts that are so overwhelmingly GOTP that a percentage of those GOTP voters become politically redundant, those voters carry less impact than if they were more evenly distributed by less homogenous districting.
GOTP constituencies in heavily gerrymandered districts can still cause their representatives to be reactionary, as they’re doing now, but they’ve sacrificed much of their ability to influence anyone else but their own representative. So the very process that gave them a slight majority through increased polarization has effectively raised the threshold necessary for legislative success. The current House GOTP’s level of majority can’t meet that greater threshold, and thus they’re resorting to extortionary tactics.
The people on this blog who’re opposed to the ACA, and the information sources they rely on most, consistently ignore one or all of these three points. And those who ignore crucial points doom their case.
It is so laughable that the republican party and their stooges, excuse me, their followers, continuously preach “personal responsibility”, however, the minute Americans will be responsible for their own healthcare and costs, that band of lunatics cries, “communism”, “socialism” or “fascism” – the “personal responsibility” meme goes out the window.
Individuals will no longer be able to get “free” healthcare on the backs of the rest of those carrying health insurance.
Individuals will no longer be dependent on their employers’ health benefits. If someone loses their job, they don’t lose their health insurance.
Small businesses will get a 50% rebate when they provide health insurance for their employees…aren’t republicans all about “helping” small businesses?
All this pretend outrage over ObamaCares by Fox-bots and the Koch Brothers’. paid lackeys, is quite sickening.
bam | September 29, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Come on, bam. I was just razzing you a bit. I take very few things said to me on the Internet personally. It’s rather impersonal by it’s very nature.
I would never call you stupid. That is rude. Unless you actually did something stupid, then yeah, I’d probably call you stupid. Ducks being ducks and all that.
I just think it’s funny that you think calling someone who demonstrates lack of knowledge about a subject on which they rant “ignorant” is rude. Have you looked up the definition of that word? Do you also get offended when someone calls a Chevy an automobile?
So the GOP, having failed at the ballot box AND in the courts, have decided to resort to simple economic terrorism, holding the nation’s economy hostage to appease their farthest right bagger constituents.
When the goverment shuts down, it will be on them, as it was last time. Obama’s job is to not give one inch to their extortionist shake-down. ACA is the law of the land, baggers, and the sooner you face it and get over it, the better. What a bunch of tools, bought and paid for (As Warren points out) by the Koch cabal.
Poor Dan, living in such an intolerant state that the existence one media outlet that doesn’t kowtow to your point of view causes you such consternation. It must be awful.
(Nice try at bending my words Dan, but if you will re-read my post you will see that I am saying that all media is biased, not that Fox is correct and CNN is wrong, just that both present their own versions of the truth based on the biases of their owners. The sad part is that liberals can’t recognize this and fell they must endlessly attack anyone who disagrees with them.)
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