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here is the best summary of the shutdown I’ve heard, from a story on WDBJ7 last night:
“I believe it’s unethical, I believe it’s illegal, it’s clearly unjust, and just plain stupid,” said Felecia Shelor, owner of Poor Farmer’s Market in Meadows of Dan.
The video is here:
It’s going to be wonderful listening to all the whining on the Left now that President Stompy Foot’s approval ratings in the latest AP Poll have sunk to an all time low of 37%! Looks like the Potemkin Shutdown is not going as planned for Harry and Barry!
“It’s going to be wonderful listening to all the whining on the Left now that President Stompy Foot’s approval ratings in the latest AP Poll have sunk to an all time low of 37%! Looks like the Potemkin Shutdown is not going as planned for Harry and Barry!”
And what is the approval rating for Congress? Oh yeah, it’s an astounding 8 percent! http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/10/08/congress-popularity-witches-hemorrhoids-poll/2944343/
Putting it all in perspective, this means Obama is more than 4 times as popular as Congress, LOL!
(The president is not running for re-election again. But Congress is.)
Look at all the whiners on the Washington Mall from yesterday.
For goodness’ sake, the folks up there doing all the whining are doing so even after they received, from their leader, obama, special dispensation to be able to even BE on the Mall in the first place.
obama is playing his favorites against the American people.
And, they don’t even pick up their own trash. This is sad.
No whining, Frank! About littering or anything else.
Perhaps I coulda just passed along a factual observation, such as, “look at all the trash those folks left behind!”
That wasn’t a whine, was it?
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” …….. Senator Barack Obama – 2006
My, my, Paddy O’Ryan. Farther down in your link about the president’s approval rating, we find this tidbit (last sentence in the second paragraph in purple ink):
“Congress is scraping rock bottom, with a ghastly approval rating of 5 percent.”
Thanks for sharing that with us! Didn’t think we would read it, did you?
My daughter went to high school with a girl who was a big whiner. Now she’s a defense attorney, and a guy who went to school with her and my daughter said she’s still a whiner, only in the courtroom now.
Oh please, Breitbart can’t even get it right. Unpaid police? They’ll get paid and Breitbart knows it. Gee, a few signs left behind by people who were arrested. Were they supposed to ask for permission to run to a trash can before they were cuffed?
Frank, you done wore this one all out two days ago.,
President Stompy Foot? Now that’s even worse than whining, Paddy. Maybe we should have called Bush President Pouty Face.
(The president is not running for re-election again. But Congress is.)…~Dan
In other words, it doesn’t matter that he is a failure. He can continue to fail and Dan doesn’t care.
Oh, I read the entire article! Congress’ poll numbers have been in the tank for years, so the fact that they’re still rock bottom is a non-story. BUT, Dear Leader’s numbers nose-diving to 37% is huge news! Humpty Dumpty has taken a great fall and all of his handlers and all his press aren’t gonna be able to put him back together again.
#14 Oh look, now is Dear Leader and Humpty Dumpty. Paddy has all kinds of cute little names. How precious.
What our politicians, socialists and communist ignore, is the economic principle of scarcity. Summation: not everyone can have everything they want due to limited resources. Our politicians, in order to win elections, amass power and to be popular have ignored scarcity for decades. So, here we are….$17T in debt on top of $90T in unfunded liabilities. Close to 50% of our debt is borrowed and roughly 50% of our citizens don’t pay a dime in taxes. Without bold, drastic changes to our current approach, scarcity will have its day.
Paddy, all you need to know is that Obama is 7x more popular than the House GOP.
#16: “Close to 50% of our debt is borrowed”
Everyone should take a moment and appreciate just what a perfect example that quote is of the idiocracy that infects public affairs debate on the internet, particulary as emitted by cocksure tea partiers.
Afterwards, let’s all just just laugh long and hard at AC for being so oblivious to his own dumbness.
what the “L”: (sp) particularly
Another Chuck: Close to 50% of our debt is borrowed and roughly 50% of our citizens don’t pay a dime in taxes.
*eyeroll* Every time you spend money to acquire goods or services, you’re paying a sales tax. At least in Virginia. States without sales taxes have income taxes or specialized taxes to make up for it. Try again.
The “no scandle there” IRS scandle is the gift that keeps on giving, and dripping!
Hmmm. I wonder what got redacted?
What you need to know is that the 5% approval rating is for congress. This is both the House and the Senate – which is both democrats and republicans – all of them.
Please get your facts correct, please.
And don’t forget FICA, Medicare tax, state income tax… the working poor pay all of those, too. The old “47% pay no taxes!!” is not only misleading, it’s a downright lie.
You are correct that our federal political leaders have, since WW2, spent more than they took in. There were a few years under Eisenhower and LBJ the budget was balanced. In the late 90s Clinton & the Republicans put us on course to pay down our debt by 2013. That went to hell from 2001-09 when we put 2 wars & a Medicare drug benefit on a credit card.
We now need to more closely watch spending and revenues. The Social security challenge can be solved by simply increasing the income subject to SSI to around $250k & increase that amount to the CPI. Medicare is more complex, but can also be solved with open discussions by everyone. What will be more challenging is how to structure income taxes to produce revenue required. However, everyone has to be willing to openly discuss curtailing tax expenditures that are embedded in the tax code. Absolutely nothing can be off the table in those discussions.
So Another Chuck, our tax policy going forward has to acknowledge who pays which taxes while we come up with an equitable tax system. I’m sure you would agree with that!!
Warren @ 18:
It reminded me of the joke, “5/4 of people have difficulty understanding fractions”.
Well having traveled to DC twice since the beginning this earth shaking and life changing government shutdown, let me say that the traveling is easy indeed. Regarding the shutdown, let it run its course and see where it ends up. Every storm these days is the storm of the century, every political event the most important ever. This too shall pass and in retrospect will probably seem like small potatoes ultimately. I for one would be happy with an end to the shutdown where the only concession is that all members of the legislative and executive branches of govt and their staffs give up their Rolls Royce Heath care plan and replace with ObamaCare. As I have heard said, change is easy if you’re not the one having to change. You make the rules, you live by the rules. Fat chance.
Pirengle, I did intend to type Federal tax, just going a little to fast. I am aware that all consumers pay a state and local as well as other taxes, but not Federal taxes….which was the subject of my post.
Ron, yes, you and I are in complete agreement. I imagine that if you and I were given the nod and we were able to put together a program that the fools in DC would have to follow, we could put us on the correct path in a week. Simpson-Bowles did a pretty good job and were completely ignored.
I do worry about the revenue projections the Fed is using though. There has not been an increase in the number of people working since 08. That’s bad enough. But the quality of these jobs in troubling too from a revenue perspective.
Another big bubble being blown up is the US dollar. The Federal Reserve has been pumping (printing money/liquidity) $85B a month or more for many years. The dollar will have to take a big hit at some point.
Warren, what is wrong with you? I said close to 50%…. Ok, it’s actually 43%. I didn’t say all the debt was own by foreigners, did I? Although, that percentage is growing. Linky: http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2011/07/how-much-of-federal-spending-is-borrowed-for-every-dollar/
Everyone pays the federal gas tax, Another Chuck. Every employed person pays federal FICA taxes. And telephone taxes. And tire taxes. And others.
A recent South Park episode seemed aimed directly at the Virginia gubernatorial election. The boys’ school was choosing a new mascot, and it he choices were both, shall we say, unpalatable. (In the inimitable South Park style, neither choice is suitable for printing in this blog).
#27, Another Chuck stays in character, never acknowledging why “Close to 50% of our debt is borrowed” is so funny. And like any good comedian, he maintains his deadpan delivery with “Ok, it’s actually 43%. I didn’t say all the debt was own by foreigners, did I?” Another Chuck, Another Stephen Wright.
AC, see Contra’s post #25 for a clue. And then go get tutored on why replenishing lost blood is an apt analogy for stimulative monetary policy in deflationary times, and therefore not a certainty to produce inflation later.
Perhaps Another Chuck is a Jehovah’s Witness?
(No offense to Jehovah’s Witnesses).
Jeez, Warren, who peed in your corn flakes this morning? It appears you set the rules on how all of us MUST define “close” to 50%. You are being close to 50% (actually 57%) of being a total asswi**. You responded to my non-partisan posts by being critical and did not discuss the merits of what I had to say. I used the present tense of a word too, when I should have used the past tense. There is no doubt no doubt that better sentences could have been structured in my posts. I don’t have a spellcheck of this forum, so some of my words could have been misspelled. Again, you provided no solution or anything of merit to the conversation I attempted to have with the board. Conversely, Ron May actually had a well thought out response and we found a possible solution we agreed upon to solve some of the debt problem. I’m going go eat about 50% of a pizza and drink about half of a six-pack. You let me know if I will drink 2 or 4. Damn if I know..
only in California…for the time being!
pretty soon Californians will have the clowns like a local tax service uses, to stand out on heavily trafficked street corners, encouraging pregnant drivers to stop on in, out it goes, then out you go! That’s where the “center-right” thought process is taking us, and by golly the “center-right” folks who will read this will say, “right on! right on!”
Another Chuck posts nonpartisan posts? OMG LMAO . . . .
AC, I replied to your false assertion that “Another big bubble being blown up is the US dollar…The dollar will have to take a big hit at some point.” That’s providing something of merit to the conversation you attempted, as you put it.
But seriously, you STILL don’t have a clue why “Close to 50% of our debt is borrowed” is so funny, do you? Not even after Contra gave you a big clue.
Shhh, don’t anyone tell AC why that’s funny, and made funnier by his obliviousness. It’s too rich to end just yet.
the military family benefits fiasco which unfolded today is down-right disgusting, even for a “center-right” president and his “center-right” party.
Chuch Hagel said, “I am offended, out-raged, and embarrassed that the government shutdown had prevented the department of defense from fulfilling this most sacred responsibility in a timely manner.”
Yet, obama knew this was going to happen a couple of weeks ago. Up until today, he and hagel were probably telling each other, “we’re doing good, it’s just a few families, so what, ’cause our cause is above mere families of military people. heck, most of ‘em are probably from West Virginia, anyway.”
Then, they got wind that “it really wasn’t going so good.” Then, the House said “they’d pass a bill”…then the senate said “they would, too”, then well know financial adviser Ken Fisher’s Fisher House Charity road in to the rescue, and obama eagerly struck a deal with Fisher House to resue his butt from this fiasco. Too late, I speculate. I hope he dumps hagel, and puts in someone who could convince obama from committing those kinds of under-handed things to the American people, again. Oops, what a silly thought. No one can convince obama from doing under-handed things to the American people.
“The military family benefits fiasco which unfolded today is down-right disgusting.”
I agree with Frank wholeheartedly. I hope Bob Goodlatte, Morgan Griffith and Robert Hurt bring this to John Boehner’s attention and drop their silly and hurtful shutdown/ransom demands regarding the ACA so that this can be taken care of. Because it’s a disgrace, and the House is the only body that can do anything about it.
But it is the administration that has ordered its employees to make the shutdown as widely felt and painful as possible. That’s why they decided to “close” places that aren’t staffed anyway. Take a ride on the Blue Ridge Parkway and look at all the barricaded parking lots and picnic areas. Go to Giles and hike up to the Cascades. Oh wait, the trail is closed. Same with Pandapas Pond in Blacksburg. Despite the fact that these sites are not staffed even when the government is working, the administration decreed that barricades be placed at the entrances so people couldn’t use these places.
And now we are surprised when this administration, in yet another staggering display of statesmanship, also suspends death benefits to military survivors while stating that “it’s the other guys fault. We are not even willing to talk about it, but it’s the other guys who are the obstructionists.”
While it’s fun to preen from the high-ground while your party is in power, I think that before this is over, we might all long for the days before compromise was a dirty word.
No,Warren, I get it, all debt is borrowed. I thought it was obvious I was talking about our cost to “service” our debt. And, that cost is rising every day. What is your solution to solve this problem? Do you believe there is a debt problem?
Dan, I blamed all politicians equally over a period decades for this situation. I thought that was non-partisan.
The House had it on the agenda today, Dan, which caused obama to wake up to what he was doing.
Hey Another Chuck,
When the “center-rightists” on this blog start parsing and dissembling your words, you realize that they are following bill clinton’s “presidential” pondering over the meaning of the what the word “is” is.
That’s just what they do, AC. Of course they will give you no quarter for making a non-partisan comment, ’cause they wouldn’t recognize a non-partisan comment in the first place. That’s a dead language to them.
Chuck, you know who’s going to wishing for a compromise? The “win at all costs(and still lose)” GOTP.
The mistake Obama’s been making all along is giving into the extortion too often and inflating their sense of importance.
If anyone watch watching CNN this morning, Crazy Ole Michelle B was on, explaining how this situation isn’t “political” to the Republicans. They don’t see it as “political”. So funny.
I’m going to give Another Chuck a full response, full of serious detail, after I dispense with the fun. We’ll see if he responds in kind, or just hit and ran.
AC “I get it, all debt is borrowed. I thought it was obvious I was talking about our cost to “service” our debt”
First, Another Chuck’s full original sentence:
“Close to 50% of our debt is borrowed and roughly 50% of our citizens don’t pay a dime in taxes”.
How that’s obviously referring to the debt service is nowhere evident. But to the reader taking what he wrote at face value it does explicitly say that he somehow believes some debt is not borrowed.
Anyway, having enjoyed AC’s spectacularly bungled sentence, I’ll address what he now (sheepishly?) claims to have really been talking about.
If AC meant that some of the debt is owed to American entities and some to foreign ones, that doesn’t change the fact of it being owed; a case can be made that honoring debt owed domestically is slightly more important than debt owed to sovereign foreign entities. But really, all our debts should be honored, as they generally always have been until the Tea Party mob decided to hold the creditworthiness of the nation hostage over a a law whose passage they didn’t prevent.
But it’s wrong to think that debt service costs rise in a straight line, or must inexorably rise at all. (AC said “that cost is rising every day”). New borrowing reflects the current cost to borrow, which is why refinancing existing debt occurs when interest rates decline. With interest rates at historic lows, the costs of borrowing are also at historic lows, but they will rise suddenly and precipitously if the debt ceiling madness reaches the point of default. (Yes, default; sophistry that claims missing the deadline to raise the debt ceiling isn’t technically default is a distinction without a difference in the real world of adults who buy sovereign debt). That steep sudden rise in rates will adversely affect not only government at the federal, state and local levels, but individuals as well.
The question of whether there is currently a “debt problem” facing the US is defined in the context of debt to GDP, the value of the dollar and the trade deficit, and the cost of borrowing. The debt to GDP ratio is hardly at a level that is historically ruinous, in fact it’s at levels experienced before when there wasn’t such panicked scaremongering attached to it. The value of the dollar is still solid, almost incredibly so given the uncertainties created by the GOTP’s deliberate economic obstruction, and the worldwide delationary environment that’s causing trade balances to ebb.
Which brings us back to the cost of borrowing, in addressing whether there is a “debt problem”. Because low rates are a function of Fed rate policy under it’s quantitative easing programs, some mistakenly believe that inflation is inevitable at a dollar for dollar rate. AC said ” Another big bubble being blown up is the US dollar…The dollar will have to take a big hit at some point.”
But that is not inevitable at all. When one accepts the reality of modern monetary creation, one must admit that no currency is any more secure than its’ underlying economic system. And that’s why a useful analogy for understanding stimulative easing during deflationary periods is blood transfusion.
Imagine the accident victim who’s lost a lot of blood as representing an economy, and currency as the blood that circulates to make that person(economy)’s life possible. The blood lost represents the value lost to deflation. Remember, deflation, the inverse of inflation, is not simply lower prices, it’s an actual loss of value and decrease in the availability of currency, to the point of having a depressing effect on an economy.
In the analogy, adding blood to the patient is necessary before their blood loss threatens their survival, and the same is true of stimulative monetary policy for an economy that has lost too much value. Without replenishment, the economy will suffer and might even seize up. While slightly high blood pressure can create problems, and chronic or extreme high blood pressure can be ruinous, it is the immediate crisis of low blood pressure that is the reason for transfusion, and the same applies to stimulative monetary policy. Jus as doctors closely monitor the transfusion patient to see how well their body is taking the blood and starting to replenish it on their own, so does the Fed closely monitor the economy for signs that it is beginning to replenish lost value internally. So far in the Fed’s handling of the deflation prompted by the crash in 2008, all the indicators show that the money supply has not exceeded the needs of economic maintenance. Furthermore the ongoing retirement and refinancing of existing debt can give further stimulus, as for example it did in the retirement of ’60′s era long bonds in the 1980′s.
So the borrowing levels that have financed stimulatory monetary policy have not yet added to a “debt problem”, leaving fiscal policy as the only other component of debt creation to address. Deficits matter, despite the dismissal of their importance that “conservatives” embrace when they control spending, as embodied by Dick Cheney’s famously glib claim that “deficits don’t matter”.
But they fixes for budget deficits start with economic growth, which the GOTP has seemed to be deliberately trying to inhibit lately. Then, there is spending control, which history shows has been occured with greater discipline under Obama and Clinton than during the six years of complete GOP control from 2001-2006. (I’m just giving the truth of the figures). And entitlement costs are not intractable either. They wax and wane with the economy and demographics, so for example an improving economy will lower safety net costs, and birth rate patterns will echo through the decades. Social Security can be fixed for the foreseeable future by simply increasing the income thresholds and changing to a different sort of CPI chain. Medicare is fixable too, without undue hardship, if all relevant actors agreed to modest changes in their own role.
But it’s only “conservatives” of the Tea Party and socially regressive types who think addressing deficits by cutting such important investments as basic infrastructire spending or development of human capital is a good idea, and they often try to disguise their position with dubious and self-serving claims that privatization is always preferrable to public administration.
Another Chuck, if you have the honesty to read and digess this post, please reply, including your opinion of whether I’ve answered with sober substance. If you didn’t have the courtesy to return to this thread and read it, I’ll let you know about it on the next one.
(sp) digest, plus some other errors in my long and quickly typed post to AC above
Ok, gee, according to Warren we all now know that pouring an un-ending river of tax-payer treasure into the gaping and unfillable hole of wall street greed will cause the economy to behave like a patient who needed, and received, and continues to recieve, going on 6 years, a blood transfusion.
However, in this case, the patient is still in bed, unable to stand, or even feed his or her self, and all the while the quilty sibling who caused the patient to get sick in the first place is getting richer by the hour by keeping the transfusion hooked up and flowing, while the patient is gonna have to face having less full-time employment opportunities if and when they are deemed fit for work.
By the way, Warren, who do you think you’re kidding? You spent waayyy more time on your post than you let on…which I did enjoy reading.
Good Lord Warren, I thought I was reading the ACA law… but I did read it as opposed to our highly paid reps in regards to the ACA. In general, you eloquently wrote about why the debt situation that our brilliantly elected leaders have strapped upon us and future generations, is not as bad as I believe it to be. I hope you are correct, because I believe the debt and our additional liabilities will represent the end of the US as we know it. I don’t see how we overcome this without DRASTIC measures. And I just describe the “expense” side of the ledger. The “revenue ” side of the ledger is looking weaker and weaker. I’m not referring to tax rates, I’m referring to ongoing tax revenue due to less people working at lower paying jobss. I just see a huge mess without a light at the end of the tunnel right now.
The twenty minutes or so I took writing that post was no doubt more than you took understanding it, Frank, because you’ve clearly spent none. Your reply is so full of stupidity I scarcely know where to start responding.
In the analogy I used, Wall Street is a privatized ambulance company that first recklessly hit a pedestrian, nearly killing him, and then drove him to the ER and demanded exorbitant fees for doing so, and was never charged for causing the accident.
If you think only Wall Street has benefited from the Fed’s efforts to counteract deflationary forces, you’re economically ignorant, Frank. Fluid monetary supply is necessary for all players in our economy, not just Wall Street. The U.S. economy is indeed on the mend, as measured by many objective indicators, no matter what the ignorant claim, although the GOTP is treasonously doing all it can to sabotage a faster economic recovery. And “taxpayer treasure” (to use your ignorant words) is not where debt financing is obtained from. It’s obtained in the capital markets, which was part of explaining to AC why stimulatory monetary policy during deflation won’t automatically cause inflation later.
But since you don’t know that, I’m not going to waste any more time educating a foolish, determined to stay ignorant troll like you.
“Determined to stay ignorant” or “determined to pretend to stay ignorant” are apt descriptions for Frank.
IMHO I think Another Chuck wants to learn, but he’s kind of beyond hope. It’s like he’s trying to jump from long division to calculus.
And Perry D is simply playing a smug know-nothing game. They are happy that way, until the guards let them out of Lorton.
yeah warren, nice try.
i haven’t questioned the possibility that pouring an endless supply of tax-payer treasure into the gaping hole that is our economy doesn’t help keep some businesses open, and some people employed…but i do note for those “center-right” folks like yourself, that those people who might be helped with continuing their employment are now more and more frequently doing so with fewer hours, often less than 29 hours per week. Oh, happy day, for them, eh?
Yeah boy, your guy’s got it going on! You know and I know that the rich are getting filthy rich, while some of us are treading water, and many who haven’t already done so are soon to go down for the second time, some for the third time…the rich all because of the FED, the folks going down for a second or third time because of the obamacare-driven work week going down to less than 30 hours per week.
Yeah boy, give us more obamacare to harm working-class and working-poor Americans, and keep the FED buying those bonds so that Wall Street gets fatter and fatter!
By the way, I did read your story in post #43, and said that I enjoyed reading it. Also, I don’t recall seeing in your story any reference to an ER, or an ambulance, but I do buy that analogy to Wall Street…and that the crux of a strong currency is the foundation of it’s “underlying economic system.”
I think you explained yourself and the issue very well.
I think you’ve put your finger right on the nub of our lingering economic problems, and that is too few workers working, and those that are working are working fewer hours at lower rates of pay. What a way to bring an economy such as ours’ roaring back! Give a man and a woman food, and they’ll eat for a day…give a man and a woman jobs, and they’ll raise a family. I always thought that was kind of basic. I guess I don’t understand obamacare.
By the way, we probably won’t see anyone from Dan’s “center-right” crowd say anything about employment issues and jobs except, “it’s all good, stop hatin’ on obama”.
Improve your game. Your stuff’s not worth reading.
Frank, Dan’s right.
You’re not worth reading, much less replying to, so I’m going to stop trying.
At least as you present yourself here, you’re economically illiterate, politically irrelevant, and lack the wit in your writing that you seem to think you have. You keep saying that problems that long predate Obama are his fault, and you say other things that are just plain ignorant, like your raped ambassador crap.
Don’t wonder why you’ll be ignored, Frank. It’s because you’ve earned it.
Sheesh, Warren and Dan, all I did was illuminate some short-comings of obumacare, and you and good ol’ Dan get all hissied up. Heck Warren, I even told you I enjoyed what you wrote earlier.
You guys go ahead and keep your minds closed.
Oh, and Dan, since Warren’s pretty good with analogies, maybe you can ask him to try and revive your false analogy about “obamacare being like car insurance”. Let’s give that another whirl, eh?
Frank, if you want to see some shortcomings, walk in the bathroom and look in the mirror.
Another Chuck, I wrote a full, serious response because you asked for one. I’m accustomed to substantial amounts of reading, and I assumed you were too. It’s what decently educated people do as a matter of course, you know.
If there’s one thing I would hope you won’t do, it’s to not fall for what some people will urge on you, of thinking that the U.S. will be “the next Greece” because of our debt. That stupid rhetoric is as stale as it wrong. The two nations have very little in common economically, politically or socially, and long before our situation ever resembled Greece it would have been through many other stages that are much more comparable to other examples, including some from earlier U.S. history, and since they’ll trigger further changes, it’ll be virtually impossible to get the U.S. to a state of comparability to Greece. So, one thing to definitely do is to immediately dismiss the economic credibility of anyone using that “like Greece” nonsense.
And don’t let yourself fall into the trap of being misled by any given moment’s exaggerated claims, like the reports of shorter work hours. Sure, some companies have done that recently, and blamed the ACA. Whether that’s merely an excuse by the companies or not, such benefit and labor cost dodges have been happening much longer, and just like other scary reports du jour of many types, they tend to fade into proper perspective in time, especially after those with a motive to scaremonger move on to another rumor.
The most telling phrase I saw in your reply was “the end of the US as we know it”. I’m convinced that the unease so many “conservatives” feel, and the outright animus shown Obama, is often not racism per se, but the fact that he embodies the decline of the relevance of their own experience. They’ve wanted to rigidly resist adapting to a world that’s changing with or without them, and his success reminds them how futile that is. Imaginary pasts begin to look real, and threats seem to appear around every corner.
I’m pretty damn lazy and resistant to change myself on a practical level. But at least I admit it, as a starting point to not becoming a guy who wastes time being scared for reasons that aren’t justified, and filled with rage at things that either don’t exist or I can’t change, but can adapt to while still maintaining my core principles if I’m willing to try.
Despite what some religious dogma salesmen say, genetic evolution is real, and so is social evolution. Happily, the latter is one we can actually choose to participate in and control for ourselves.
Perhaps Another Chuck has been listening to REM recently.
It’s just a song, man. Feel fine!
“Dan Casey | October 10, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Improve your game. Your stuff’s not worth reading.”
Nope, none of them are. I have given up and scroll past them. Apparently intelligent, informed, honest and right wing are mutually exclusive. Might as well go to Freeper most days.
Here’s a couple of whoppers from good ol’ Warren’s post #55!
“And don’t let yourself fall into the trap of being …misled… by any given moment’s exaggerated claims, like the reports of shorter work hours. Sure, some …companies… have done that recently, and blamed the ACA.”
Another Chuck, Warren has conveniently “forgotten” that many precious bastians of learning (universities, colleges, public school systems), state and local governments, and non-profits have been and are among the leaders in the charge to reduce staff hours to or below 29 per week.
To be kind, good ol’ Warren would appear to have a selective memory…, because he forgot to mention the Virginia Western Community College, The Commonwealth of Virginia, various non-profit hospital systems, public school systems in Indiana, Allegheny Community College System in Pennsylvania (in the area including and surrounding Pittsburgh)…I could go on and on, state-by-state,you get the point.
Warren is playing good ol’ Dan’s game of painting with generally broad brushstrokes of “statements”, such as “Sure, some …companies… have done that”, and expect you to not use your head. I bet Warren’s a “center-right” (according to Dan) professor of some sort, or maybe a “wanna be professor”, because he sure is trying to “school” you to have a clear view of his “reality” which is clearly NOT real. You know, I was just kidding about that professor thing…surely our universities wouldn’t put someone like him in front of impressionable, innocent minds for him to mold…
Here’s another whopper from Warren, Another Chuck:
“Whether that’s merely an excuse by the companies (“companies”, there’s his bogeyman again!) or not, such benefit and labor cost dodges have been happening much longer, and just like other scary reports du jour of many types, they tend to fade into proper perspective in time, especially after those with a motive to scaremonger move on to another rumor.”
I had no idea that government and non-profit “companies” (“companies”, now, THATS a rich descriptive word, isn’t it?”) are treating their employees and staff like those dastardly “companies”, did you? Warren doesn’t have a clue. Well that’s not entirely true. He does see reality, but he’s programmed to comment only in support of the collective view espoused by Dan’s “center-right” crowd, which, based on the above facts, is clearly a lie.
Good heavens, I hope Warren’s not a teacher of any sort! What tragedy for our kids!
In Warren’s missives to you, he has deliberately given “short-shrift” to the those niggling little details commonly known as facts.
In Frank’s world view, if ONE worker in the nation has had his or her hours cut after the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, the entire law is an utter failure.
Ok. You guys have convinced me. Obamacare is great. Spending 30% more than you take in is no big problem. Making promises you can’t possibly keep is both ethical and moral.
I have seen the light.
That’s quite the exaggeration now, isn’t it, Dan?
I guess that’s what opinion journalists are left to do, once they realize that they don’t have the facts on their side. Actually, I guess I should thank you for making my point about Warren’s efforts to “teach”.
So, thank you.
Also allow me to add that those that propose you take from Peter to give to Paul, will always have a friend in Paul.
Yes, that is the typical right wing lunacy. Never mind that those same businesses have taken advantage of these so called “part-time” workers for decades by assuring them of working near full-time hours but calling it part-time so they get no (or reduced) benefits, but get all freaking kinds of faux outraged over those same workers being cut from 32 to 29 hours per week! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain who is taking advantage of the law. Pitiful.
There is no hope for the right wing ideologues. We can only leave them in the dust as we move on.
I hate to break this to you, (actiually, that is not true…) but the “man” behind the curtain is just as likely these days to be a woman, and we’re talking about non-profits, public school systems, community colleges, universities, county governments, state governments, hospital systems, the list goes on and on.
Dealing with reality can be tough, so, I suggest your take a couple of deep breaths, relax, and call your doctor in the morning.
“The ‘man’ behind the curtain is just as likely these days to be a woman, and we’re talking about non-profits, public school systems, community colleges, universities, county governments, state governments, hospital systems, the list goes on and on.”
Frank dips his toes into misogyny. A woman in charge of ANYTHING? The outrage!
Who the heck has exempted the leaders of ANY business, whether school, non-profit, or any other? As usual, Frank takes a dip in the crazy pool before posting
Sandi, in your post #63, you so forcefully said, and I quote:
“..that is the typical right wing lunacy. Never mind that those same businesses have taken advantage of these so called “part-time” workers for decades by assuring them of working near full-time hours but calling it part-time so they get no (or reduced) benefits”.
Sandi, I hate to break this to you (actually, that is not true), but the answer to your question is…wait for it…wait a little longer…ok, now! it was …you!
Do you really expect ANYONE to think you are illiterate to the extent that you actually consider colleges, state governments, local governments, and such to be “businesses”? Oh, this is rich!
Thus far today, in my opinion,you get the prize for word-parsing on Dan’s blog. Well, you and Warren.
Welcome to the discussion. Those that take from Peter hope that Peter has a big family.
Warren, good explanation.
John | October 11, 2013 at 11:19 am,
Allow me to point out that those who whine that only liberals “propose you take from Peter to give to Paul”, don’t have the sense to realize that works both ways. Your Paul just happens to be rich and getting richer.
Frank, as much as I loathe responding to you, of course colleges and universities are businesses! And as to whom is “illiterate” here…
“PART-TIME WORK: Part-time work abounds in Federal agencies. The jobs are permanent and part-time employees are eligible to receive benefits.”
The purpose of government part-time workers is to meet the needs of the positions and the employee, not cheat them out of their benefits.
You remain pathetic in your “gotcha” traps.
That’s quite a thick and foggy bubble you keep your head firmly ensconced in.
Since you seem to fancy yourself a good researcher, please find something in current mainstream literature or media which describes local, state, or federal governments as “businesses”.
Last time I checked, local, state, and federal governments extract their “revenue” from willing or unwilling tax-payers, while businesses earn their revenue from willing customers.
Following is one of the most naive comments I have seen yet on Dan’s blog:
“The purpose of government part-time workers is to meet the needs of the positions and the employee, not cheat them out of their benefits.”
Well, yep, that’s about as naive as they come. So, Sandi, go tell the state and local government employees who recently had their part-time hours reduced to below 30 per week that it was done to “meet the needs of the positions and the employee”, and that obumacare had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
That is rich. Thank you for the laugh.
No concern. Frank….At least we can think for ourselves.
Frank, if all you are looking for is a laugh, you`ll want to follow Sandi exclusively. Uneducated drivel=laughter. Hey Frank…Isn`t it nice not being told what to think ? I enjoy thinking/working for myself……… the INDEPENDENT v. babysitted.
73. Awood – see your email just came in. (either that or I have to assume you actually come up with this moronic stuff. I will give you the benefit of the doubt)
#74 Richard, you should see the blathering nonsense awood’s been spreading over on the RTEB. I think things juts got too hot for him over here so he went to a place where his stuff won’t be exposed so much for the crap it is.
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