Not pretending to have the scoop here
But, I didn’t know until UVa baseball coach Brian O’Connor just told me that Division I saves leader and first-team All-ACC closer Kevin Arico has decided to pass up his senior year and has signed with the Cincinnati Reds, who took him in the 11th round of the Major League Baseball Draft.
UVa earlier had lost second baseman-outfielder Phil Gosselin, another junior and first-team All-ACC pick, who has signed with Atlanta. Gosselin was a fourth-round choice.
Senior shortstop Tyler Cannon has signed with the Cleveland Indians, who selected him in the 12th round.
June 23, 2010 - 4:32 PM
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Your right..you do not have the scoop..Ohh it’s Brian O’Connor..Please try and get it right Scoop…
Doug,
You are a terrible beat writer for UVa. You can’t even get the Coach O’Connor’s name right. Just go ahead and do everyone a favor and show your true VT colors.
Kevin Arico, Kevin O’Connor, apparently I had Kevin on the mind.
The correction has been made.
Doug, the VT fans like your writing for the paper, you are fair and do not drool all over the hoos like some writers and sports talk radio people do !! Jeffery is like all the other hoos in Roanoke who are bandwagon fans, now they like baseball since football and basketball are in the tank. Maybe Jeffery and the others should load up their wagons and move north to hooville !!! , where they can read the prohoos papers up there.
UVa has the 3rd best Athletic Department in the Nation. Where the hell is VT at? And speaking of VT, why are they being mentioned? No where in Doug’s post did he mention anything about the Hokies. Tony, you are just another typical sad Hokie fan that is obsessed with everything about UVa. Baseball was a joke at VT up until they realized UVa was really making national waves, and then VT decided they ought to do something about their waste of space. I’ve been following UVa well before you were in diapers.
Jeffrey, you were the one who brought up VT. Go ahead and re-read all the comments. And while all Hokie fans will agree that having good success in non-revenue sports would be a positive thing, there aren’t many that would trade good football and basketball teams for it. Congrats on the national titles UVa athletics earned this year: Crew, etc. VT had a female hurdler that won two national titles in hurdles and it is an amazing accomplishment. Still, I wouldn’t trade 10 national titles in individual or non-revenue sports for an ACC Championship and a BCS Bowl game Trophy, but that’s just me….a VT fan in “Diapers”.
You have to admit Jeffrey, you were the first to mention the Hokie’s in this string so don’t protest too much. When you say, “you are just another typical sad Hokie fan that is obsessed with everything about UVa”, it sounds as if it’s the other way around and you may be obsessed about VT. I have never met a Hokie fan who was ever obsessed with anything about the Hoo’s except beating them.
Yes, I did bring them up, that was my gaffe.
To all the VT fans, I wouldn’t quite go calling yourselves “good” in basketball just yet. If you were really “good” the NCCA would have put you in the tourney last year. What have you guys ever won in basketball? Not much. As for football, I think my Tarheels will be taking the Coastal from you this year, so you better hope your non-revenue sports gives you something to chear about.
Also as far as championships go, VT is still the only ACC school without a single NCAA team championship in any sport. Way to bring something to the table!
VT is obsessed with UVa. Want proof? Look no further than your class rings, with the engraving “Beat UVa”.
This is classic: Jeffrey criticizes Doughty for a mistake with a mistake of his own:
“You can’t even get the Coach O’Connor’s name right.”
No wonder he wasn’t aware HE was the one who brought up VT!
jeffrey sounds like one of those uva fans who mistakenly believes that their “real” rival is UNC. what year did you graduate from uva?
“To all the VT fans, I wouldn’t quite go calling yourselves “good” in basketball just yet. If you were really “good” the NCCA would have put you in the tourney last year.”
Just like “your” Tarheels last season… right? Sorry man, I couldn’t resist! You gotta admit that you set yourself up for that one.
UNC is UVa’s true rival when you look across the board. UVa and UNC both have well ran athletic departments, as well as both being top notch academically. UVa and VT may recruit the same athletes because the schools are in the same state, but that is where the similarities end.
Jeffrey, did you graduate from UVA? Yes or no.
It is pretty weak that we (Tech) haven’t won a team national championship, I’ll admit. However, in the sport that pays for all of the others, I like our results (though I’d like a national championship in that, too).
Original Greg, I commend you for your *very* original spelling of the word “cheer”. Did it take 4 years at Carolina for you to formulate that one? You are right that we aren’t in the same category when it comes to storied basketball programs, but we did beat you last year. Also, we beat you twice in 06-07, and yes you have drubbed us plenty of times since coming to the ACC. As for football, the heels should be real tough this year, stifling defense for sure. The Coastal is going to be a tough place to win this year in football so i’ll be sure to buckle my chin strap just in case I need women’s water polo to fall back on.
i thought so jeffrey… i don’t know of any UNC fans that would ever consider UVA to be their main rival. you’re only kidding yourself if you believe anything other than VT and UVA are each other’s main rival.
to pretend either school’s academics are superior to the other is pretty silly in this day and age. it all just depends on what you want to do. if you want to be a lawyer or a doctor, you go to UVA. if you want to be an engineer or a veterinarian or work in business, you go to VT. simple as that.
you skipped my question… what year did you finish at uva?
Jeffery,
UVa has high academic standards generally speaking (save for a few athletes, just like other colleges) but I have heard differently in regards to UNC. When I was applying to colleges it seemed that the standard for out of state kids was pretty tough, but just about any NC resident with decent grades could get in. That may have changed though.
I graduated from The University in 1972. Anything else you want to know, son?
Hokie24, hate to say it, but if you want to work in business, go to UVA.
Their commerce (aka business) school (undergrad) is consistently in the top 3 or so in the country, often number 1.
Pamplin has a decent reputation, but nothing close to that.
Jeffrey, wow. My opinion of UVA just went down a notch or two. Assuming you were of normal age when you graduated, that puts you around age 60 now. Your arguments and whining remind me of some of the more embarrassing arguments I had when I was 12. Did you go straight from diapers to Depends?
that’s cool jonathan. i didn’t know that their business school had it like that!
good lord…. did you really use “son” in your answer Jeffrey? that’s awfully backwoods-sounding for a graduate from “The University.”
Yeah, I was shocked when I first learned that, too. Part of it is that the “usual suspects” for top-ranked academic programs (Harvard, Princeton, etc.) don’t offer an undergrad business degree. I think Wharton (Pennsylvania) is the only Ivy League school that has it, but might be wrong. Wharton’s the other one that swaps places with UVA frequently. A lot of the Ivy League grads still go into business, even before getting an MBA, but they’re often Econ or liberal arts majors.
VT as a school is obsessed with UVa. Why else would they put the phrase “BEAT UVa” on their class ring?
End of discussion.
Jeffery,
Even though I am a VT grad, I can take a neutral stance and still back that UNC would not consider UVa a big rival. Yes they are border state Universities. While UVa has made Scott Stadium into a nightmare for many years for UNC, it no doubt hurts the Carolina faithful more if they lose to Duke or NC State rather than UVA. Of course on game day the opponent always becomes a rival, but from your stand point the rival is one directional beyond your 60 minute date once a year. Congrats on your degree from Mr. Jefferson’s University. (not TIC)
a few of us were asking what year that you graduated from UVA because usually when a UVA fan is attempting to brag about the academics there, it’s usually coming from a fan who’s never stepped foot inside a classroom on UVA’s campus.
Boys..boys..boys! Sounds like a “My Dad can beat your Dad” augument. UNC, Uva and VT are all great schools and are in a great conference. Their academic qualifications are excellent as all are listed in the top of most categories and are desired destinations. Act your ages. The main issue in ALL the insults and finger pointing is FOOTBALL. It’s the sport every BCS university looks to as a measurement of success and a source of revenue to help the “other” sports compete. Why would UVA fire Groh? Fannies were not in the stadium and alumni giving was down. No one wants to lose in football and no one wants to lose to their instate rival every year. TV contracts bring in the bucks and they don’t pay for rowing or tennis….great sports but they don’t pay the bills.
It’s all about winning in Football.
Yep, if you want to learn about a school, forget about researching its programs or talking to professors, students, and alums. Your best bet is to consult jewelry.
Yes Jeffery. We Hokies do love a good Hoo beating! We’re not even going to pretend we don’t.
VT’s class ring is about tradition Jeffrey, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to beat your rival and including that on something as traditional as your class ring. UVA’s class ring doesn’t really have much tradition behind it from what little I know and what I can tell from looking online.
plus, beating UVA has kind of become a tradition at VT
you can play the “beat uva is on their class ring” card all day, but when it comes down to this little discussion, YOU brought up VT.
you’re right Joe… but what fun would trash talking be if we all liked the same teams?
The “South’s Oldest Rivalry” is played between which two teams? If you do not know the answer, look it up. VT likes to think of UVa as more of a rival than the other way around.
i really don’t care about the south’s oldest rivalry Jeffrey. and yes I did have to look it up, because it’s not something that anyone outside of charlottesville cares about anymore. also, it ONLY refers to football according to wikipedia.
if you google “south’s oldest rivalry,” the first link is the wiki about UVA vs UNC football. the next 10 links are about Auburn vs Georgia, again helping to show that nobody gives a rip about a supposed rivalry between UVA and UNC.
and you actually think anyone outside of VT or UVa gives a rip about the “rivalry” between the two schools?
This dialogue has been entertaining to say the least. Does anyone even rememeber that is banter began by DD making a small error. I think it is safe to say the summer heat is getting to everyone and we are ready for September. Joe, you hit the nail right on the head, it’s all about football. But we can keep that secret from those from “The University” so we don’t spoil their afternoon wine and cheese.
Good point Jeffery. They probably don’t. I don’t care much about the “Red River Rivalry” between Longhorns or the Sooners, or Alabama vs. Auburn, or even Oregon vs. Oregon St., but I still watch the football games. It’s all about state bragging rights, much beyond that it is menial.
nope, probably not jeffrey. that’s kinda the definition of a rivalry, it’s between two teams.
the difference is that your supposed rival, UNC, doesn’t refer to UVA as a rival like they do Duke or NC State. logical VT and UVA fans realize that their natural rival is each other, whether they like it or not. but i understand, if i were you i’d probably be claiming that my real football rival was UNC too. at least UVA beats those guys every once in a while
but in all seriousness, if you’re a 72 grad, the rivalry landscape was likely different then. maybe UVA vs UNC meant something back then, but the fact today is that UVA and UNC are not each others’ primary rivals anymore. i personally think it’s cool that you hang on to the rivalry that you had when you were in school there, and in all honesty i appreciate the VT/UVA smack talk. you wouldn’t do it if you didn’t love your team! that’s what makes college athletics so much fun.
Hokie24, your right about one thing, WE BROUGHT YOU UP! And to be honest we are tired of having to look out for little sister. Also, UVA has a rivalry with UNC that goes back over 100 years. And it is this rivalry with UNC that puts UVA on solid footing should the ACC ever go back to 9 or 10 teams. In other words, VT is leaving this league before UVA!
Robert,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY
Jeffrey, I refuse to believe that you graduated from UVa. Your grammar is awful! Here you are criticizing Doug’s spelling, and your posts are full of improper grammar. Here are two examples below taken from just THIS page!
“You can’t even get the Coach O’Connor’s name right.”
“UVa and UNC both have well ran athletic departments, as well as both being top notch academically”
If you graduated from UVa in 1972, and you put sentences together like the two above, then there’s something fishy going on here…….
WOW Robert….You really want to play the, “We are on more solid footing in the ACC” card than Tech? You are right…Tech will leave the ACC before The Cavs. That isn’t a good thing for UVA though. No one in the ACC wanted the Hokies and still don’t. All they have done is come in and improved in all sports across the board and dominated you in football. Tech has beaten you fairly often in basketball. Tech likes the ACC and is very grateful and lucky to be there, but they are a most deserving member. It was teams like “the University” pompous attitude that kept them out so long. Tech getting booted though isn’t a positive for you though. Tech’s most likely destination would be the SEC. If Tech were ever to get booted or move on to the SEC, then UVA is done forever as far as football. They will never out recruit Tech in football, and a few of those kids leaving currently for better out of state programs would come to Blacksburg instead. Their parents can come watch them play LSU, Alabama, Tennesee, Goergia, and Florida, in HOME games. You think you are going to out recruit that. NEVER Robert! YOU better pray that Tech never leaves the ACC and your program improves under Mike London. The Tech, Cavs rivalry is what is going to make your program better with in state recruiting. You guys keep trying to recruit against UNC. You will never win that battle either…..
Robert, are you running out of your prescription? What was that all about?
You need to step back and re-evaluate your posts before you hit the “Submit” button.
I don’t care if UVA’S rivalry is VT or UNC because they can’t beat either one of them. The Ivey League is getting ready to expand, which would be a great fit for Hoo’s.
Walt
UVa can’t beat UNC? I believe UVa beat UNC in Football, Basketball and Baseball for the 2009-2010 season.
Walter that is an interesting viewpoint. Obviously you don’t care about sports and you care more about academics. I am not sure the Ivey league would be better for UVA from a financial standpoint, but it is a great school for academia. I say your right…….Cavs to the Ivey!
Doug…I just read that Clemson is dropping Men’s swimming/diving and Women’s swimming in 2012. I’m sure it’s a money issue. My question is: What is the number of ACC schools that must participate in a sport to have a declared “ACC Champion”. I don’t believe rowing is at many schools and while Lacrosse is popular in certain regions, is their a ACC award?
6 ACC schools participate in rowing. 4 participate in Men’s Lacrosse. 6 are in Women’s Lacrosse. All of those sports recognize an ACC Champ.
Ridiculous. BC should drop out of whatever hockey league they’re in and just claim the ACC championship each year.
VT now has a Cricket Club….WE’RE #1 and 2010 ACC CHAMPS!!!
Joe, I was just stating a fact. If the ACC ever goes back to 9 or 10 schools, UVA is not going anywhere because of the rivalies with UNC & MD that goes back 100 years. VT does not have these rivalies that date 100 years. Also, VT was never wanted in the first place(Syracuse was wanted) Lets face it, nobody wants VT. The Metro confrence kicked VT out , Extortion was used to get VT in to the Big East, Political Blackmail was used to get VT in the ACC!
By the way WALTER, it’s Ivy League, Not Ivey League. Your VT education is showing!
Robert,
VT joining the ACC was certainly the peak of Mark Warner’s political career, and there was no doubt some “persuasion” involved. UVa didn’t want VT in because upgrading in conference added to an already successful program gave the Hokies a football recruiting advantage. I think that was clearly evident in the AG years. However, I think the real sour grapes come from the fact that VT has blanked the Cavs in football every year since joining the ACC. I don’t blame you for hurling the insults. It’s obvious you want nothing more than for UVa to have a successful season and that only constitutes you being a loyal fan. Good recruit today by the way.
Robert: The first meeting between VT and UVA was in 1895, which is 115 years old. And that was just 3 years after your beloved “South’s Oldest Rivalry”.
The UVA/UNC/MD rivalry you speak of is exclusive to basketball, which is the ACC’s claim to fame. So, that arguement isn’t really relevant when talking football. The ACC expansion was rooted in football. Do you really want Syracuse? I think it’s safe to say that VT, Miami, BC have been a welcome addition to the ACC football landscape. Without them, you’re left with only FSU, GT and maybe Clemson (perenially over-hyped).
From a VT perspective, a true rivalry has a balance of respect and repugnance. I’ve got the repugnance for UVA, but I don’t respect 1 win in the last 10 years. It’s hard to have a true rivalry without the possibility of defeat. I think it’d be good for the state of Virginia if VT and UVA had a healthy rivalry. Virginia needs to be recognized nationally as a Top 10 Football State. Right now, UVA is dragging the state down.
I’m really excited for UVA and for the VT/UVA rivalry. You guys just got a good recruit, so quit complaining about VT and focus your attention on the positive.
Every school considers North Carolina to be their arch-rival in every sport!
I do agree with Robert in that VT will leave the ACC before UVA. The reason is that nobody wants blacksburg. This might be the reason VT travels so well. If I lived in blacksburg, I would want to travel to!
Nelson, you’ve been absent, but once again you paint with a broad and odd brush. Be sure to give your Al Groh bobblehead a good night kiss for all the hoo fans out there.
Robert,I tried but I just have to comment on your last stupid post and I must say “sorry” before I answer. I’ll try to be civil.
First, there is no one with any knowledge of the real world that would ever think that the ACC would go back to 9 -10 schools. If anything and I hope it won’t happen, they’ll expand to 16 for ‘MONEY” not outdated rivalries. Case in point…Nebraska. You create new rivalries to strenghten the conference.
The ACC didn’t want Syracuse…Miami did because of their recruiting base in the NE. The ACC thought that Miami was the jewel needed for a TV package and would sell their soul and bow down to their wants. How’s that Miami “thing” working out.
Your other comments are so stupid it’s not worth the time to examine.
If it wasn’t for VT, the ACC would be the laughing stock of the BCS in football. The ACC was supposed to become a powerhouse in Football to rival the SEC..who have talked with VT by the way..but because of sorry ass teams like Uva, the league for the past 2-3 years has been critized as subpar. It’s all about football and the better ALL teams get, the better the ACC becomes. The SEC can’t compete academically with the ACC but what % of people would know or care.
You can’t be so bitter about our success and Uva’s failings that you need to lash out with “stupid” posts whenever your medicine wears off. If you can’t take some ribbing or feel it necessary to justify your existance, do it with some dignity. I would hope your education taught you better.
I agree with Robert,The acc would rathor have Syracuse, nobody wants blacksburg. Its no wonder VT travels well, If I lived in blacksburg I’d travel well too!
Joe, only a moron would respond to a stupid post (or someone with a VT degree)
Robert, enough said….you proved my point.
Joe, if you think the ACC is a joke in football because of the poor results from UVa the past 5 years, then you truly have no idea what you are talking about. UVa has never been a football school, and will never be a football school. While it would help the ACC for UVa, as well as Maryland, Duke and NC State to achieve better results, it’s just not going to happen. There are always going to be really strong teams, as well as really poor teams. It’s just the way it works. If all the teams were beating up on each other with no true superior team, that is when the ACC would become a joke.
Jeffrey, I disagree. I don’t know your age but I was around when Uva was a top 25 team under Geprge Welsh…a hate to say this but he was an excellent caoch. At Uva he went to 12 Bowls…4-8 record but Beamer’s isn’t mush better. His total record was 134-86-3 and if you add in his record at Navy it’s a great story. Look it up and see that he was always in the top echelon of the ACC every year except his first. I agree that you will always have teams that are down but not ALWAYS!! Duke under Spurrier wan the ACC…Wake Forest is respectable. The ACC over the past few years has been beating each other but that happens in the SEC and all conferences. The teat is how you do with outside conference games and Bowl contests. The ACC is on the bottom. It’s not about beating each other, it’s who else we beat. Come on…Uva lost to William & Mary AT HOME!! In reality, no ACC school should lose to a lower division school. I know it happens but it shouldn’t. If I was KING, I would rule that no BCS school could schedule these lower level schools. I predict, that in 5-10 years there will be another division…Call it the Super BCS that will have 4 Divisions of 16 teams…64 that would dominate the TV contracts and result in a true Champion unlike today’s mish mash of Bowls and TV contract restrictions. But i regress…Uva could and should be a better Football program.
Joe,
Are you forgetting that VT lost to Temple about 10 years ago? Temple was Big East at the time, but they then fell back to FCS the next year, I think. Upsets happen all the time in College Football, that’s what makes the game as great as it is. Yes, George Welsh was an excellent coach, and yes UVa was a Top 25 under Welsh, but being Top 25 is nothing special. It’s the top 10 teams that get noticed.
I remember when VT lost to VMI on a regular basis. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, Michigan lost 2 years ago to Ap State at HOME. Top 25 is special when you do it consistently and build a program that kids what to be a part of…That’s why I was disagreeing with you comment that Uva “was never a football school and never will be”. They were and can be a respectable program again. If you asked any alumnus if they would be happy with a Top 25 team every year, do you think they would say …Hell No! I WANT TO BE TOP 10!
Jeffrey, I forgot to comment on the Temple loss that I had the misfortune of attending, it was embarrassing but Temple was a conference game. You have no control over that but you do have control over schedules outside the conference.
As a UNC student, a recent one, not from North Carolina or Virginia, I always wondered why the rivalry in all things between UNC and UVA wasn’t more pronounced. The schools dovetail in so many ways culturally. They’re sister schools, really. You’re totally spot on Jeffrey.