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		<title>By: Sarah Jones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/medbeat/2012/06/how-much-for-that-surgery/#comment-1156</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@hokie24 Thank you for that insight. I wonder how often hospital&#039;s are giving people that kind of advice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hokie24 Thank you for that insight. I wonder how often hospital&#8217;s are giving people that kind of advice.</p>
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		<title>By: hokie24</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/medbeat/2012/06/how-much-for-that-surgery/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>hokie24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While going through the meetings to discuss a company health insurance change at my former employer, there was a guy there who told a story about what happened with the billing for a surgery that was needed for his child here in Roanoke.  

The surgery had been scheduled before the insurance change, and he was told that the cost would be $1000 through that insurance provider.  On the morning of the surgery, he informed the hospital that his insurance had changed and gave them the new provider information.  He was shocked to then find out that the surgery would now cost $3000 through the new insurance provider.  After asking some questions in the hospital&#039;s billing office, he was taken aside and he was advised to go ahead with the surgery, but to do it as if he were uninsured, because the uninsured price was $2000.  

So, old insurance, $1000.  New insurance, $3000.  No insurance, $2000.

This shows an angle of medical insurance that many might not fully realize.  Under the current setup, hospitals can&#039;t really offer a &quot;menu&quot; style pricing, because that sort of pricing doesn&#039;t exactly exist.  Insurance providers are deciding the price, and often some are &#039;negotiating&#039; HIGHER prices than what a hosptial would normally charge for a procedure.  Sure, that insurance company may be able to say that they cover a higher percentage of the patient&#039;s costs, but that&#039;s only because they&#039;ve already artificially inflated the costs of services to begin with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While going through the meetings to discuss a company health insurance change at my former employer, there was a guy there who told a story about what happened with the billing for a surgery that was needed for his child here in Roanoke.  </p>
<p>The surgery had been scheduled before the insurance change, and he was told that the cost would be $1000 through that insurance provider.  On the morning of the surgery, he informed the hospital that his insurance had changed and gave them the new provider information.  He was shocked to then find out that the surgery would now cost $3000 through the new insurance provider.  After asking some questions in the hospital&#8217;s billing office, he was taken aside and he was advised to go ahead with the surgery, but to do it as if he were uninsured, because the uninsured price was $2000.  </p>
<p>So, old insurance, $1000.  New insurance, $3000.  No insurance, $2000.</p>
<p>This shows an angle of medical insurance that many might not fully realize.  Under the current setup, hospitals can&#8217;t really offer a &#8220;menu&#8221; style pricing, because that sort of pricing doesn&#8217;t exactly exist.  Insurance providers are deciding the price, and often some are &#8216;negotiating&#8217; HIGHER prices than what a hosptial would normally charge for a procedure.  Sure, that insurance company may be able to say that they cover a higher percentage of the patient&#8217;s costs, but that&#8217;s only because they&#8217;ve already artificially inflated the costs of services to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Jones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/medbeat/2012/06/how-much-for-that-surgery/#comment-1154</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@realistic one Who is your insurance company? 

There has been some movement among insurers to publish pricing information through cost estimators. I know Anthem and Aetna offer that service and just yesterday UnitedHealthCare announced a similar online tool that will &quot;estimate the cost of more than 100 common treatments and procedures.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@realistic one Who is your insurance company? </p>
<p>There has been some movement among insurers to publish pricing information through cost estimators. I know Anthem and Aetna offer that service and just yesterday UnitedHealthCare announced a similar online tool that will &#8220;estimate the cost of more than 100 common treatments and procedures.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Jones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/medbeat/2012/06/how-much-for-that-surgery/#comment-1153</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ray I&#039;m curious, have you found it easy to negotiate discounts when you pay cash?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ray I&#8217;m curious, have you found it easy to negotiate discounts when you pay cash?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/medbeat/2012/06/how-much-for-that-surgery/#comment-1152</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 23:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fired Carillion as my healthcare provider because they could never answer my financial questions. I took my self pay business to a private practice, where cash is king.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fired Carillion as my healthcare provider because they could never answer my financial questions. I took my self pay business to a private practice, where cash is king.</p>
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		<title>By: realistic one</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/medbeat/2012/06/how-much-for-that-surgery/#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>realistic one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had surgery performed at a Roanoke area hospital in the last 2 months.  It went well, but I was at the pre-surgical registation where they collected all of my insurance information, etc. beforehand and I asked the person dealing with me: &quot;How much is this surgery going to cost me?&quot; in a very serious tone and she replied to me that she had no idea whatsover.  Until the public has a medical &quot;menu&quot; posted and there is &quot;public accountability&quot; and payments driven by patient outcomes, there is no real competition between hospitals because the govt controls the regions to make sure there is enough patients for everyone, including the insurance companies, to make huge profits.  This model cannot continue and govt issued heathcare will only make it worse.  Have you read the FACTS on the US Post office lately??? And you want to govt to service everyone&#039;s health...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had surgery performed at a Roanoke area hospital in the last 2 months.  It went well, but I was at the pre-surgical registation where they collected all of my insurance information, etc. beforehand and I asked the person dealing with me: &#8220;How much is this surgery going to cost me?&#8221; in a very serious tone and she replied to me that she had no idea whatsover.  Until the public has a medical &#8220;menu&#8221; posted and there is &#8220;public accountability&#8221; and payments driven by patient outcomes, there is no real competition between hospitals because the govt controls the regions to make sure there is enough patients for everyone, including the insurance companies, to make huge profits.  This model cannot continue and govt issued heathcare will only make it worse.  Have you read the FACTS on the US Post office lately??? And you want to govt to service everyone&#8217;s health&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tass</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/medbeat/2012/06/how-much-for-that-surgery/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>tass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This puts into sharp focus everything that is wrong with the broken &quot;system&quot; we have in place. The price isn&#039;t the price, the cost isn&#039;t the cost, you don&#039;t know what you are responsible for until after you&#039;ve had the procedure, there are gatekeepers at every turn preventing you from the information you need to make an informed decision, the cost of your treatment depends on what company you work for, and nobody at any stage of the process is obliged to tell you anything. And in the midst of a health crisis you are expected to negotiate effectively with a company protected by a team of well-paid lawyers because, after all, caveat emptor. It&#039;s truly kafka-esque.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This puts into sharp focus everything that is wrong with the broken &#8220;system&#8221; we have in place. The price isn&#8217;t the price, the cost isn&#8217;t the cost, you don&#8217;t know what you are responsible for until after you&#8217;ve had the procedure, there are gatekeepers at every turn preventing you from the information you need to make an informed decision, the cost of your treatment depends on what company you work for, and nobody at any stage of the process is obliged to tell you anything. And in the midst of a health crisis you are expected to negotiate effectively with a company protected by a team of well-paid lawyers because, after all, caveat emptor. It&#8217;s truly kafka-esque.</p>
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