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		<title>By: Steven K</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-142484</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 01:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Late though I admit I am to this kerfuffle, allow me to have what I think should be the definitive word on this topic:

The American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the World Health Organization, the American Counseling Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers all agree that there is nothing whatsoever that is inherently harmful about homosexuality or homosexual relationships, that it isn&#039;t a choice, that it can&#039;t be changed, and that attempting to change it is harmful.

I&#039;ll gladly take their scientifically valid, peer-reviewed word for it over the word of some willfully ignorant religious fanatic any old day of the week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late though I admit I am to this kerfuffle, allow me to have what I think should be the definitive word on this topic:</p>
<p>The American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the World Health Organization, the American Counseling Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers all agree that there is nothing whatsoever that is inherently harmful about homosexuality or homosexual relationships, that it isn&#8217;t a choice, that it can&#8217;t be changed, and that attempting to change it is harmful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll gladly take their scientifically valid, peer-reviewed word for it over the word of some willfully ignorant religious fanatic any old day of the week.</p>
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		<title>By: E William</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-132182</link>
		<dc:creator>E William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 19:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[haddit, the question is &quot;does your discrimination against another thing (color, car, whatever) deny the rights of the thing?&quot; In the case of discrimination against a person because of their skin color, religion, or sexual orientation, that is exactly what happens, and that violates the principles of our Constitution. It really is that simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haddit, the question is &#8220;does your discrimination against another thing (color, car, whatever) deny the rights of the thing?&#8221; In the case of discrimination against a person because of their skin color, religion, or sexual orientation, that is exactly what happens, and that violates the principles of our Constitution. It really is that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: haddit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-132179</link>
		<dc:creator>haddit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 14:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all discriminate. If you have a favorite color you discriminate against the others. 
If you prefer Chevy, you discriminate against all other automobile manufacturors.
If you are a man and you love women you discriminate against homosexuals. 
It&#039;s all relative]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all discriminate. If you have a favorite color you discriminate against the others.<br />
If you prefer Chevy, you discriminate against all other automobile manufacturors.<br />
If you are a man and you love women you discriminate against homosexuals.<br />
It&#8217;s all relative</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-90506</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It means what I said and you always know what I say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It means what I said and you always know what I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Franklin Koontz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-90504</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Franklin Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@560--What does that mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@560&#8211;What does that mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-90500</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You prove yourself sir!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You prove yourself sir!</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Franklin Koontz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-90497</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Franklin Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@555--Let me tell you a story.  

I recently represented a homosexual on some very serious criminal charges directly related to his homosexual conduct.  He came to me for help, and could not afford my normal rates.  I took his case without hesitation.

In the course of my representation, we had very frank and graphic conversations, as you might imagine.  Nothing he told me comported with my personal code of conduct or that of my faith.  I judged him only with respect to his legal jeopardy.

I helped this client, both personally and legally.  I assured him of God&#039;s love for him.  I reassured him as to his personal worth, and the good things going for him in his life.  And to top it all off, I convinced the prosecuting office to drop the charges.  My client walked; always a good thing.

It might interest you--and it might not--that this client came to me knowing full well my thoughts on his personal conduct.  He also knew things that I have tried to explain in this blog as to my overall thoughts and philosophies; the difference being, he listened and understood.

I hate no one.  I try hard not to dislike others.  I sin.  Everyone sins.  I treat no one any different than I treat myself on this score.  We all can do better, and we shall all fall short in this world.  

But striving to do better does not mean giving a pass because some immoral conduct has become fashionable and politically correct.  It does someone who errs no favor to congratulate them on their failings, and to encourage them to continue.  Sometimes compassion means being firm.  Kind, but firm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@555&#8211;Let me tell you a story.  </p>
<p>I recently represented a homosexual on some very serious criminal charges directly related to his homosexual conduct.  He came to me for help, and could not afford my normal rates.  I took his case without hesitation.</p>
<p>In the course of my representation, we had very frank and graphic conversations, as you might imagine.  Nothing he told me comported with my personal code of conduct or that of my faith.  I judged him only with respect to his legal jeopardy.</p>
<p>I helped this client, both personally and legally.  I assured him of God&#8217;s love for him.  I reassured him as to his personal worth, and the good things going for him in his life.  And to top it all off, I convinced the prosecuting office to drop the charges.  My client walked; always a good thing.</p>
<p>It might interest you&#8211;and it might not&#8211;that this client came to me knowing full well my thoughts on his personal conduct.  He also knew things that I have tried to explain in this blog as to my overall thoughts and philosophies; the difference being, he listened and understood.</p>
<p>I hate no one.  I try hard not to dislike others.  I sin.  Everyone sins.  I treat no one any different than I treat myself on this score.  We all can do better, and we shall all fall short in this world.  </p>
<p>But striving to do better does not mean giving a pass because some immoral conduct has become fashionable and politically correct.  It does someone who errs no favor to congratulate them on their failings, and to encourage them to continue.  Sometimes compassion means being firm.  Kind, but firm.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Franklin Koontz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-90496</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Franklin Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@556--&quot;It is not sin to be what you are unless that is a perversion, criminal or deviant . . . &quot;  So wrote Sandi Saunders.

Well since homosexual conduct is a perversion, criminal in some states, including Virginia, and deviant, it is a sin.  YOU AGREE WITH ME!

Finally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@556&#8211;&#8221;It is not sin to be what you are unless that is a perversion, criminal or deviant . . . &#8221;  So wrote Sandi Saunders.</p>
<p>Well since homosexual conduct is a perversion, criminal in some states, including Virginia, and deviant, it is a sin.  YOU AGREE WITH ME!</p>
<p>Finally.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherSilentBob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-90495</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherSilentBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brava Sandi!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brava Sandi!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/#comment-90490</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong again GFK.  

We do not want to CHANGE anything, we want the SCOTUS or the Congress (and of the two the SCOTUS is the one without voters to please), to agree that the laws that defend, promote and assure equality mean what they say and do so for all.  The only &quot;change&quot; is the folks like you that need to accept and realize it.  The burden of proof is ABSOLUTELY on you to explain why they STILL do not mean what they say for ALL, and you have not done so. I have no need nor intention of convincing you and your majority of anything except compliance with the law once the inequality and discrimination is finally overturned.  How you &quot;feel&quot; about that is totally beyond relevance for me.  

Of course you feel you have &quot;defended&quot; your position, &quot;quite well&quot; but such is not the case in any sense.  You have been half way round the barn but still not found the farm IMO.  You are still arguing that homosexual Americans are not the same, not equal, not worthy of the coverage the rest of us have and that is horse feathers that already failed, twice and will do so again.

You have no problem &quot;bashing&quot; homosexuals but balk at explaining the Christianity and &quot;word of God&quot; you purport supports your side and questions are considered &quot;bashing&quot;.  This was hardly the first day you &quot;bashed&quot; things other people believe and certainly have not drawn any line at religion either.

I do not criticize Christianity for condemning homosexuality because I am not convinced IT does so.  Many Christians, like you, certainly feel it does and like to announce it as if it were a shield.  Time will certainly tell. If I wished to call you a hypocrite for your belief that would not be honest.  You do not believe one thing and say another, which is what I define as a hypocrite.  But you are, in my opinion as God has led me, wrong.

What you HAVE said, quite vehemently and with vigor, has led people to believe you would not be the least upset if people were hanged for being gay or any other of the treatments many think are fine to exhibit towards people they have condemned and demeaned as you clearly have.  You made that bed.  Frankly, no matter what you condemn now, you have not condemned anything in your time here with as much disdain as you have homosexuality and that is where we are.

Insisting on equal rights for homosexuals, made by God the same as you or me, is not about being tolerant of, condoning or upholding sin.  It is not sin to be what you are unless that is a perversion, criminal or deviant, and homosexuals, no matter how you and those like you paint it, are not. NOTHING homosexuals do cannot be and is not done by heterosexuals.  The ONLY difference is in who they are attracted to and you choose to use Old Testament, priest/rabbi written &quot;laws&quot; as the certain &quot;word of God&quot; to condemn them.  Up to this moment, divorce, adultery, murderer, theft, rape and any other Old Testament &quot;laws&quot; that precluded ever walking among and being included in society with equal rights has heard not word one of condemnation from you.  But this ONE &quot;law&quot; cannot be challenged?

YOU are not allowed to judge what is Christian!  You go too far.  Casting that stone alone, might well cost you one day.  Following a false prophecy because you believed it is also sin, BTW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong again GFK.  </p>
<p>We do not want to CHANGE anything, we want the SCOTUS or the Congress (and of the two the SCOTUS is the one without voters to please), to agree that the laws that defend, promote and assure equality mean what they say and do so for all.  The only &#8220;change&#8221; is the folks like you that need to accept and realize it.  The burden of proof is ABSOLUTELY on you to explain why they STILL do not mean what they say for ALL, and you have not done so. I have no need nor intention of convincing you and your majority of anything except compliance with the law once the inequality and discrimination is finally overturned.  How you &#8220;feel&#8221; about that is totally beyond relevance for me.  </p>
<p>Of course you feel you have &#8220;defended&#8221; your position, &#8220;quite well&#8221; but such is not the case in any sense.  You have been half way round the barn but still not found the farm IMO.  You are still arguing that homosexual Americans are not the same, not equal, not worthy of the coverage the rest of us have and that is horse feathers that already failed, twice and will do so again.</p>
<p>You have no problem &#8220;bashing&#8221; homosexuals but balk at explaining the Christianity and &#8220;word of God&#8221; you purport supports your side and questions are considered &#8220;bashing&#8221;.  This was hardly the first day you &#8220;bashed&#8221; things other people believe and certainly have not drawn any line at religion either.</p>
<p>I do not criticize Christianity for condemning homosexuality because I am not convinced IT does so.  Many Christians, like you, certainly feel it does and like to announce it as if it were a shield.  Time will certainly tell. If I wished to call you a hypocrite for your belief that would not be honest.  You do not believe one thing and say another, which is what I define as a hypocrite.  But you are, in my opinion as God has led me, wrong.</p>
<p>What you HAVE said, quite vehemently and with vigor, has led people to believe you would not be the least upset if people were hanged for being gay or any other of the treatments many think are fine to exhibit towards people they have condemned and demeaned as you clearly have.  You made that bed.  Frankly, no matter what you condemn now, you have not condemned anything in your time here with as much disdain as you have homosexuality and that is where we are.</p>
<p>Insisting on equal rights for homosexuals, made by God the same as you or me, is not about being tolerant of, condoning or upholding sin.  It is not sin to be what you are unless that is a perversion, criminal or deviant, and homosexuals, no matter how you and those like you paint it, are not. NOTHING homosexuals do cannot be and is not done by heterosexuals.  The ONLY difference is in who they are attracted to and you choose to use Old Testament, priest/rabbi written &#8220;laws&#8221; as the certain &#8220;word of God&#8221; to condemn them.  Up to this moment, divorce, adultery, murderer, theft, rape and any other Old Testament &#8220;laws&#8221; that precluded ever walking among and being included in society with equal rights has heard not word one of condemnation from you.  But this ONE &#8220;law&#8221; cannot be challenged?</p>
<p>YOU are not allowed to judge what is Christian!  You go too far.  Casting that stone alone, might well cost you one day.  Following a false prophecy because you believed it is also sin, BTW.</p>
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