Mixing it up in Round 2
The president and his Republican challenger both brought their game to Tuesday night’s debate. But viewers will have to fill in some of the answers.
Political debates can enlighten when 1. the candidates show up, and 2. they actually answer the questions.
President Barack Obama showed up Tuesday night, in marked contrast to the disengaged fellow who appeared onstage in Denver. And Republican Mitt Romney was back, in the energetic, fighting form that put his fading candidacy back into contention.
October 18, 2012 - 8:08 AM
When asked by a questioner during the debate: Mr President “Who Denied Security to the Benghazi Consulate?” Obama never answered the question!
http://newsninja2012.com/viral-debate-question-not-answered-mr-president-who-denied-security-to-the-benghazi-consulate/
After over a month and numerous public events, Obama has yet to look the nation in the eye and state that al-Qaeda linked terrorists killed Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans on 9/11. Belatedly, his surrogates have but Obama has never mouthed those words.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/17/review-obama-hasnt-implicitly-acknowledged-terrori/
Fact checking finds what Obama actually said on Sept. 12 was: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation”, a generic declaration, rather than a specific explanation for what happened in Benghazi.
Then Obama proceeded to point to the anti-Islam video in his UN speech days later even as he knew it had nothing to do with Benghazi.
Come on Obama, MAN UP!
Does the term “self evident” mean anything to you John R? Your obsession with President Obama, more specifically what you see as “failures” and the parsing of words as you decry the parsing of words, might be truly refreshing, were it not such an obvious double standard, which I predict we will never see from you again if Romney is elected.
#2 John R’s cutesy game has been part of the Right wing playbook since day one. Obama won’t use the word “war” or the word “terrorist”!! Obama doesn’t put his hand over his heart!! Obama refuses to say the Pledge!! Obama apologizes!! Obama bows to people!!! He’s not a man!!
Silliness.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows neither the President nor the Secretary of State makes the decision concerning Embassy Security. The wingers have seized on this tragedy for political gain as evidenced by Romney’s statements before the facts were known, and the families of the dead were notified. He should be ashamed of his actions, but I don’t imagine in his world of self imposed self importance he ever does wrong.
@1 – Obama was speaking specifically about the attacks during his speech from the Rose Garden. The speech is titled, “Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya.” Read the speech; the entire thing is SPECIFICALLY about the Libyan attacks.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya
And, Obama said basically the same thing the next day, Sept. 13, in Colorado.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/13/remarks-president-golden-co
Gdad,
I don’t think the ambassador’s family thinks it is silliness.
Blue john,
Apparently you weren’t listening to the POTUS Tuesday night. He said “the reponsibility is mine”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chzr3-6myBM About 2.5 minutes in.
The facts are that Obama did not call it a terrorist attack at the UN, or though his mouthpieces in his adminsitration until the entire world was calling it that and he finally caved in.
He denounced the “video” several times at the UN. Obama is clueless on foreign policy and that will become more evident Monday night.
So Obama has investments in the Cayman Islands too! I actually admire him for that, but maybe hes should stop attacking Romney for HIS investments there.
If Obama’s wife and daughters were at the embassy in Libya you can bet there would have been adequate security. Why did our Ambassador and his team deserve any less?
@Bob H #6 Yeah, Bob let’s be thankful Navy Seal Glen Doherty’s mother put a stop to Romney’s use of her son’s death as part of his political agenda. Her words, so sad, but so truthful.
From http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/986301/romney-navy-seal-mother-libya/
“…Doherty’s mother objected to Romney using the story in a campaign speech. “I don’t trust Romney. He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda. It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama,” said Barbara Doherty.”
I believe people are choosing to be blind to reality because it helps their point not be ludicrous. Except it doesn’t. President Obama “denounced the “video” several times at the UN” because there were protests at several embassies and in several cities over it and the region was roiling. You would see the wisdom of it if Romney had done it so why not offer the President the same respect? Because you do not want to.
The timelines and the remarks are available.
Remarks
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
Treaty Room
Washington, DC
September 12, 2012
“…There will be more time later to reflect, but today, we have work to do. There is no higher priority than protecting our men and women wherever they serve. We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our Embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear – there is no justification for this, none. Violence like this is no way to honor religion or faith. And as long as there are those who would take innocent life in the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace…”
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197654.htm
Timeline of the attack:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008922056244096.html
Timeline of the Obama administration remarks:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html
Mayhap the problem is where you get your news:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/09/12/fox-scrambles-timeline-to-excuse-romneys-embass/189849
JimW, are you willing to renounce security for the Romney family if he is elected?
Are you willing to pay for “Presidential security” at every embassy from now on?
I keep hearing Romney being asked by the media to be more specific about his economic plans, as you ask. Why is Obama exempt from such specificity? Other than raising taxes on the “rich”, which wouldn’t even cover one month’s deficits at his current rate of spending, what is his plan to turn things around from his abysmal record to date?
Trevor Roe
@6,
I heard what President Obama said, and it’s admirable on his part. It doesn’t change the actual processes in play for security at our embassies, or Romney’s shameful, self serving attacks. President Obama’s foreign policies have done more in the fight against terror than Bush ever dreamed of. Have you heard about our new “bunker buster” bombs? I didn’t think so.
I am with an Obama spokesperson on that pension accusation JimW, it is “an absurd false equivalence.”
“Mr. Obama’s future pension is fixed, and the payout won’t be affected by the performance of any individual investments. Mr. Romney has tens of millions of dollars of his personal money invested in funds managed by Bain, including numerous funds registered in the Cayman Islands.
…The attorney has said he disposed of certain assets because they might be politically embarrassing for Mr. Romney.”
Are you claiming Romney made no conscious choices that landed his money in the Cayman Islands somewhere or the other locations until just 8 years ago when he created the “blind” trust?
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/10/17/inside-obamas-tiny-caymans-investment/
Maybe he got the idea from that “binder full of women”?
Apparently his family wants to carry on Chris Stevens’ work. They have not used it as a political dog whistle.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/28/14141683-family-of-slain-us-envoy-chris-stevens-sets-up-peace-fund?lite
And if you really wanted to know what they thought, you should have put some moments of effort into finding out.
“Over the weekend Stevens’s father, 77-year-old lawyer Jan Stevens, told Bloomberg News that he’s happy with the State Department’s investigation, adding, “It would really be abhorrent to make this into a campaign issue.”
When asked about the claim that the administration ignored requests for more security prior to the attack, Stevens said he and his son didn’t discuss the details of his work, but the ambassador never said anything critical of the State Department and felt Hillary Clinton was “an extremely able person.” Stevens said the State Department is giving him updates on the progress of the investigation. “The security matters are being adequately investigated,” Stevens said. “We don’t pretend to be experts in security. It has to be objectively examined. That’s where it belongs. It does not belong in the campaign arena.”
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/ambassadors-family-death-isnt-political-issue.html
11. Sandi, I think the Ambassador deserved the same safety consideration as the First Family would if they had been there. The way you phrased your question to me indicates that you are admitting there was no security at the embassy.
14. Sandi, actually Obama’s pension is larger than Romney’s despite Obama’s cute quips during the debate…..
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49450057
I am sure that those supporting Obama do not want it in the campaign arena.
I remember some prominent democrats blaming Bush for the Minnesota bridge collapse.
You reap what you sow, you know.
11. “JimW, are you willing to renounce security for the Romney family if he is elected?”
Maybe we should increase it considering all the death threats leveled against Romney by compassionate liberals on Twitter after the debate.
Question for Sandi, gdad, and the Obama loyalists:
What present mayor of Chicago, formerly of the Obama admininistration said the following: “Never let a crisis go to waste”?
Well, what the heck, let me provide a link for you to make it easier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow
You guys really ought to be more careful with those rocks……
No JimW, your complaint that the Obama family would have had higher security indicated to me you felt they were not worth it, ergo my question on the Romney family.
Ambassadors do not have Presidential or Presidential family level security and this death will not change that.
I agree with the Stevens family. This is an ugly use of their the American deaths, just as the Fast and Furious political mess was an ugly use of Agent Terry’s death.
So you do think only his pension and only the past 8 years in a “blind trust” saw Romney’s money in “offshore” investments? Really? Size is not the issue.
BobH, is that supposed to explain the use of such for political fodder from the people who lambasted Emanuel for that too true remark? Isn’t that an admission of hypocrisy?
Sandi,
Is that an admission of hyprocrisy- on the DEMOCRAT side?
You whine that the ambassador’s execution should not be part of the political arena but where was your outrage at what Obama’s close friend, fellow Chicagoan, and adminstrative team member said?
Now the return of fire from the other side is all of a sudden unfair?
Obama is out there saying the aid given during the Katrina aftermath was racially driven and you have the audacity to say a foreign policy blunder like this isn’t worthy of even remote discussion in a debate?
You need some chesse with that whine.
Here is yet another indicator of the direction that Obama has thr country going in.
http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20121018&id=15687745
“The unemployment rate fell in September to 7.8 percent, the lowest level since January 2009, the department said earlier this month. It fell because a government survey of households found a huge increase in the number of people who had jobs. A jump in part-time employment accounted for most of the gain.”
Is this that trading worse jobs for better paying jobs that Obama talkied about in the debate? Sounds more like the emperor’s new suit to me!
Four more years of this?
If you had agreed with Emanuel or the Katrina Obama, you might have a point. As I recall however, those on the right were outraged at both. So this sudden turn around is startling. Remember the hateful things said about Cindy Sheehan who took her grief to town and turned into a political issue? She was sure not welcomed into the public or political discourse. No one can deny the hypocrisy on both sides, but one side sure tries to.
No Bob H, Obama did not set that course. It was those 30 plus years of chickens coming home to roost that set this ride in motion. It would have been set in motion whether McCain/Palin was in the White House or Obama/Biden. Very little of what Obama has done has even had any effect on the nation yet. We are not, and never have been a light bulb that turns on and off so quickly. I know that alluding to any blame or responsibility for anyone other than Obama is sacrilege to you all, but it remains the truth.
Obama cannot fix all of the problems, neither can Romney. Obama’s plans are not perfect, neither are Romney’s. Sadly they are more similar than disparate but the truth is the truth.
Bad things will happen, just as they always have. Turning them into Romney’s failures instead of Obama’s will not change them, only our reaction to them. I have yet to see any reason to not support Obama. Most especially not in light of the unfair blame game so many play.
Seen the polls today? Obama is toast.
Barack Obama has been President of the Unite States for 4 years. He made history, he served during one of the most divisive times in modern history and with a deliberately obstructive Congress. He is no where near “toast” even if he loses this election, his future is bright. Ours is the one in doubt.
I both love and hate a wireless keyboard! United FCOL!!!
“Barack Obama has been President of the United States for 4 years.”
Yes indeed, and look at the results. Four more years of this? No thanks.
“I don’t think the ambassador’s family thinks it is silliness.”
No, I believe the word was abhorrant.
You know why the wingnuts fall flat? They aren’t clamoring for increased security for our embassies around the world, all you hear is “what did Obama know and when did he know it?” Hypocritical opportunists, the smart voter sees right through you.
Sandi, ref post 28:
“Very little of what Obama has done has even had any effect on the nation yet”. OMG, the thought of that ought to scare the bejesus out of ANYONE voting for him for re-election. Better than I could, you have made the conservative case for Romney: Obama ain’t done squat in 4 years!
You are very far detached from Obama whether you realize it or nor. It was OBAMA who said the stimulus HAD to be passed NOW to keep unemployment from rising above 8%. It rose to over TEN percent. It was OBAMA who said, WHILE PRESIDENT,that if he didn’t get it fixed in 3 years then his presidency would be a one term proposition. So either he got elected running on a pack of lies (closing Gitmo, no lobbyists in his admin, no earmarks, transparency, bills posted online for days before being signed, or take your pick of a plethora of other lies he told- of course, that started in the campaign itself when he said he wouldn’t take any private donations and then the “math” of that decision caught up with him-Hillary busted him on that one), or he is the most naive president since, well, Jimmy Carter. Probably he is both!
And, as far as the current Obama tirade against Romney about specifics for Romney’s plans, wasn’t it HIS mouthpiece Pelosi who said we had to pass Obamacare so we could find out what is in it? Talk about hypocrisy!
This would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so darn serious.
BobH, I appreciate the right wing hysteria, I have the exact equal and opposite reaction. But I believe I spoke the truth. Of course, so do you.
The Stimulus was in reaction to the economic crash and the imploding unemployment. We will be arguing the merits of it for a very long time, but it was hardly Obama policy. The reactions to the crisis, like the Stimulus, Dodd-Frank and various jobs initiatives still languishing are not Obama policy. They are just not. That is like saying the response to 9/11 was Bush policy. Fine if that is how you want to argue it, but i don’t think you do.
Did the Stimulus do what was hoped? No. Did it do some good and save some jobs? Absolutely.
No one can promise “12 million jobs in 4 years” and while Obama did not “promise” the unemployment rate would be “under 8%”, he cannot control that either. As Romney himself has admitted, the government cannot create jobs (even as he promised to do so). The government can try things to alleviate, make more incentive etc. which is what Obama tried. Which is what Romney is going to try if elected. Are you going to hold him to his “12 million jobs in 4 years” actual promise, the way you have bludgeoned Obama over his assertion that the unemployment would “stay under 8%”? I think we know the answer to that one.
It was Romney who said “I don’t pay more than are legally due, and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president.” Since he did just that not to go less that the percentage he “promised” he has always paid, are you going to hold him to that?
And, since you brought it up, tell us, just what was YOUR reaction to that famous Pelosi line? Yes, do “Talk about hypocrisy”!
This isn’t remotely “hilarious”, it is just plain sad. Rome is burning and virtually no one cares as long as Obama is out of the White House. And then, what will you blame it on?
JimW, your own link says Romney’s: “Individual Retirement Account could be worth in the neighborhood of $87“. how on earth is that larger than Obama’s and if Romney wins the Presidency, it will be even larger. But let me guess, that won’t matter.
@29 JimW…
My goodness Jim, now all of a sudden polls matter? I could have sworn that I’ve seen many on your side of the fence claim that polls don’t matter (when your side is behind in them).
Wen did that change?
I don’t know that a race this close could be called any thing but a dead heat right now. What is so problematic at least in my eyes is that it’s virtually a 50/50 split between ideologies…and that’s dangerous.
People are failing (and I’m talking both sides here now) in their abilities to reach consensus on matters and work toward compromise. The pundits can clamor all they want about who is obstructing who in the process, but at the end of the day, it takes two to tango.
Some of the decisions that are going to have to be made are going to be tough, unpopular and career limiting to those thinking they would like a long term career in politics. Frankly, I don’t think politics should be a career ambition for anyone.
Earth to Sandi,
The Obama crowd is STILL blaming Bush, after 4 YEARS!!!!!
BTW, it turns out that Biden and the Obama administration were, again, flat out lying when it came to the Libya attack.
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_21810333/cia-station-chief-libya-linked-benghazi-attack-militants
Of course, Obama seldom attends briefings and he had other more important things to attend to (fundraisers).
Keep on blindly supporting this guy, I remember your posts after the attack saying it was due to the video, even when all the world knew differently.
I am not enamored all that much with Romney, he is just a much better alternative than Obama. I admit I will have to hold my hand over my nose when I flip the switch for him. Gladly cancelling out your vote in the process!
Have a great day!
Thank you BobH, I am having a great day and your efforts to tamper that with some sort of shame for me supporting a “liar” even as you support a liar are puzzling to say the least.
What “The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington” does not mean it should have been reported to us. The President called it an “act of terror” the next day in his remarks. There is simply no there, there and nothing you or anyone else can say will make it so.
Clinton and Obama have taken responsibility (as they should), the nation now knows what happened. There WERE several protests in cities in the region over the video, there was confusion over the events and since the debacle of the Iraq cherry picked evidence, the Obama administration has not been a right wing reactionary government. That is not a bad thing. Keep swinging, maybe things will turn your way and your liar will win. It has happened before. But get off the high ground.
And the Earth might want to touch base with you too BobH:
“To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we’re going but where we’ve been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous.” ~ Ronald Reagan SOTU 1982
“The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted.” ~ Ronald Reagan SOTU 1983
“It wasn’t malaise we were suffering from, it was Jimmy Carter” ~ Jeane Kirkpatrick 1984 GOP Convention
“Why would we ever want to return to where we were less than four short years ago?” ~ From Reagan’s 1984 “Morning in America” ad
I could go on, but I think you get the drift….phone home.
Sandi Writes, “I agree with the Stevens family.”
Yes, Sandi, I agree with the Stevens family too………….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220241/Barack-Obama-Benghazi-attack-Mother-diplomat-criticises-Presidents-optimal-comment.html
Earth to Bob H…
Did it ever occur to you that the policies and programs put in place during the eight years of the Bush administration as well as the years that the Republicans controlled Congress along with him may have caused such significant damage, that its going to take decades to fix?
I’ve seen short sighted people in my time but the lack of depth and understanding of the problems that were created by the housing debacle are going to have consequences for years to come.
Refer to my post above and get back to me with substantive discussion.
42…Uhhm, things did not start going south until Pelosi and the Dems took over spending in 2007. Obama was a significant part of that.
and…………….don’t forget Dodd, Frank, Gorelick and a host of other Dem’s part in the housing crisis, you know, the “everyone deserves a home and if you don’t allow it you are racist thing “
#41 Sometimes, JimW, people say the wrong word — you know, like “47 percent” and “I like being able to fire people”?
Actually JimW, from your link, it appears you agree with Mrs. Smith. The Stevens family is not quoted in the article.
JimW, you cannot be that naive. We are literally living under rubrics set in place 200 years ago and you seriously want to claim that nothing done in the 8 long hard years of Bush/Cheney had any effect on the economic crash? Really? That is what you are sticking with?
Who is “Gorelick” if they have affected the nation, you would think I would at least recognize the name. Please tell me who that is?
@43 & 44 JimW…
Jim…Seriously??? Really, you’re kidding, right?
Can you say Glass-Stegall and then do some research on that?
Then when you get through with that, look up the initiatives that the Bush Administration pushed with the desire to increase home ownership through the American Affordable Down Payment Act.
If you do some further fact checking, it was the Bush Administration that pushed Fannie and Freddie into the sub prime mortgages. It was Frank that opposed the massive home ownership push in favor of home rental.
Now, wanna try that ploy again? I don’t think it will work a second time either.
Obama on the “Daily Show” made the degrading remark about the Benghazi attack by saying: “If four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal.”
No Mr. President, four dead Americans at the hands of terrorists is “not optimal”, nor is it a mere “bump in the road”! It is a failure of your Administration, Mr. President!
It is a very tragic loss, that’s what it is. A tragic loss that you, Mr. President, could have prevented had you and your Administration not been so disengaged in the Middle East and bent on fostering the lie on the American people just before the election that al-Qaeda is on the run and that Libya is now free of terrorists and moving toward democracy sice Kadaffi was removed.
This whole Benghazi foul up and subsequent cover up is disgusting!
There is nothing “degrading” about that word or the remark. Did you happen to notice he also called it a “tragedy”? This parsing of words makes me wonder how any right winger can still make fun of Clinton and his “meaning of is”, but then again, I think I know.
JohnR…
I think Obama has made perfectly clear to anyone that LISTENS that the loss of life of any American at the hands of any kind of attack, whether it be terrorist or criminal or war is unacceptable. He hasn’t degraded the lives of the four people who died any more than Bush did in any of his follow on remarks after 9/11.
You can’t beat this issue any more than the people responsible for the safety and well being of the diplomats have already done to themselves. It’s might damned easy to be the Monday morning quarterback but I doubt seriously that any of us are privy to the intelligence that these people are working with nor do I feel that we should be.
In WW II, there was a blackout of information and I’m not somsurembut that policy shouldn’t be restarted. As Jack Nicholson said in “A Few Good Men” …”you can’t handle the truth!”
BTW, if you watch the video, he is only using Stewart’s word.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57535581/obama-to-jon-stewart-benghazi-response-not-optimal/
Stewart: “I would say and even you would admit it was not the optimal response – at least to the American people as far as all of us being on the same page.”
OBAMA: “Here is what I will say, if four Americans get killed it is not optimal,” the president responded. “And we are going to fix it, all of it. And what happens during the course of a presidency, you know the government is a big operation at any given time, something screws up and you make sure you find out what’s broken and you fix it.”
Could you BE any more obvious?
100% incorrect….again.
47. Jamie Gorelick…look it up.
Will Says, “It was Frank that opposed the massive home ownership push in favor of home rental.”
Actually the truth is it was the liberals that caused the housing crisis. Barney Frank DID NOT oppose home ownership. He encouraged it whether a person could afford it or not.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=barney+frank+housing&view=detail&mid=C512F47B4352DEF8C715C512F47B4352DEF8C715&first=0
Sandi, here you go. If I’m going to do Will’s homework for him may as well do it for you too……
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/former-clinton-official-paid-26-million-fannie-mae-taxpayer-bailout-now-obama-shortlist
What the President is really saying is that the government is too big to be optimally managed. I absolutely agree.
How does the President intend to optimize the operation? Same question to Mr. Romney.
JimW…
It was NOT the liberals wo caused the housing crash. Bugs was the one who decided that everyone should own a home. He decided that the best pathway toward that end was to eliminate the “high” down payments that supposedly had been required to get into a home.
If you will bother to do a little research, it was in fact the Bush administration that pushed Fannie and Freddiie int the liar loan business. Barney Frank was convinced that not everyone could afford to purchase a home and for that reason, he pushed for more affordable rental housing.
The problem was further exacerbated by the demise of the Glass Stegall Act which allowed the commingling of commercial/retail banking with investment banking.
When someone finally got wise to the fact that the CDS’s were actually worthless, the commercial paper market dried up and the house of card that the Bush Administration had build literally and figuratively collapsed.
You can decry the liberals all you want, my biased friend, but the truth of the matter is that your greedy conservative friends were the ones that created this debacle and now we’re having to fight tooth and nail to extract ourselves from the stupid and uneducated lending programs that the Republicans pushed.
Sandi, Do you think Obama deserves any blame for the Benghazi foul up and the death of the Ambassador and 3 Americans?
I maintain Obama knew very early that the video had nothing to do with the attack in Benghazi but he kept talking about the video because he did not want to talk about the terrorists taking over Libya.
He wanted to plant the video as the real cause of the attack in the minds of Americans rather than terrorists so he and his surrogates kept talking about the video.
This was all about politics and getting re-elected. The Administration deserves all the blame for the deaths!
It is becoming apparent that al-Qaeda is now very strong in Egypt and Libya, gaining strength in Syria during that civil war, and Iran now has gained control of Iraq.
The Middle East is burning and Obama fiddles!
What basis are you saying anything is “100% incorrect”? More right wing media?
Fannie and Freddie and the federal role in home ownership were the bit players in the massive Wall Street (or Romney prowess) financial schemes in the housing bubble and crisis and that is so well researched and documented as to make you seem willfully partisan in making any assertion to the contrary.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/27/michael-lewiss-the-big-sh_n_591037.html
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/06/25/john-carneys-bizarre-crusade-against-the-cra/
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/cra-thought-experiment/
http://econintersect.com/b2evolution/blog2.php/2011/07/20/crime-pays-the-blame-for-fannie-and-freddie
http://econintersect.com/wordpress/?p=11024
The government is too big to be managed by one person. It has been for over a century.
“The Obama crowd is STILL blaming Bush, after 4 YEARS!!!!!”
Unfortunately for you, so are a clear majority of Americans. Look it up…
“Same question to Mr. Romney.”
Better do your homework, Hoo. Romney is surrounding himself with the very same Neocons that tricked Bush into the Iraq war and presided over the biggest growth of the federal government in decades. If you think this guy is out to drown it in the bathtub your sorely mistaken.
I see John R. is still chipping away at what little credibility the GOP has left. Let’s talk voter fraud! How about all those voter registration forms that got thrown in the dumpster! Nah, didn’t think so.
JohnR…
I’ve asked you multiple times for your solution to the Middle East as it appears that you want the US to occupy then region indefinitely.
Now, either man up and tell us what your solution is or stop beating the war horse to death…in other words, put up or can it.
Art, I was being facetious. I know Romney and his crew of neoCons have no plans or intentions of shrinking the government. It is one of the reasons I cannot support him.
I also was trying to pre-empt the inevitable cries of “Romney doesn’t have a plan either!”, the cry of those who surmise that one critical of Obama must automatically support Romney. Thank you for justifying that concern.
I will not even touch on the irony on the explicit admission that Obama has no plan, the implied notion that he needs one, and the partisan myopia that breeds hypocrisy.
No John R, I don’t.
“The Romney campaign may have misfired with its suggestion that statements by President Obama and U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice about the Benghazi attack last month weren’t supported by intelligence, according to documents provided by a senior U.S. intelligence official.
“Talking points” prepared by the CIA on Sept. 15, the same day that Rice taped three television appearances, support her description of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate as a reaction to Arab anger about an anti-Muslim video prepared in the United States. According to the CIA account, “The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html