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Wednesday, June 19, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
Let’s talk about that bi-partisanship Romney keeps bragging about from when he was the Massachusetts Governor. He says he knows how to work across the aisle. The truth is his first mission was to build a GOP Mass government. When that failed he worked on Romneycare (which is remarkably like Obamacare). But along that road there was less reaching across the aisle than has been admitted to. (Yes, I know you will be shocked to here that was a lie)
“Romney issued some 800 vetoes, and the Legislature overrode nearly all of them, sometimes unanimously.
…by the end of his term, Romney’s approval rating in Massachusetts was only 34 percent. In recent polls, the number has barely changed.
For political historian Whalen, that’s not surprising: “I think Romney’s biggest problem here in Massachusetts is not that he necessarily did a disastrous job. He didn’t. But he raised the expectation bar so high that, you know, he just didn’t deliver.”
Which is the same critique often leveled against the president whom Romney seeks to unseat“.
I could not say it any better. This is the Romney you are counting on to join this nation, solve our problems and create jobs? He could not deliver in one state, but you think he can for the whole nation?
Why do I get the feeling that the visceral dissection of every Obama move, policy or plan will fade into obscurity if Romney is elected?
http://www.npr.org/2012/06/13/154583216/romney-as-governor-confrontation-one-big-deal
In the midst of this Libya scandal, Obama (who has done everything he can to hide his past) is telling crowds that this election is about who you can trust.
Wow. What genious on his staff thought THAT up?
@1 Sandi, you seem upset that Gov. Romney is not running for another term as governor of Mass. rather than for president!
Anything but against the loser Obama! Right Sandy?
The only folks President Romney needs to get along with are Senate Majority Leader McConnell and House Speaker Boehner and the rest of the Congressional Republicans. He should ignore the Congressional Dems.
I am “upset” that Governor Romney is one of the least honest candidates for President that we have had in a very long time. Every day there is a new reveal of his doctored memories, distorted facts and blatant lies.
This election is about who you can trust and a liar of the magnitude Romney shows is not that someone. His policies failed for 8 long hard years and wanting them back seems suicidal to me.
I am glad to see that criticizing the President is patriotic again, we can sure thank Obama for that. Your prescription for governance of this nation is so inclusive. No wonder they call you all a “big tent”. LOL
After Benghazi-gate, I wouldn’t put “Obama” and “trust” in the same sentence!
To criticize Romney for not “working across the aisle” is ludicrous!
Thanks to Obama, the country has never been more polarized! Romney could do no worse and would be much better in unifying the country most likely.
#4 – “I am “upset” that Governor Romney is one of the least honest candidates for President that we have had in a very long time.”
How can you honestly overlook Obama in that category? The man has hidden his past from the world like no other President has, promised to be transparent (which has hardly been the case), and, not counting his history of lying, has been caught in a HUGE lie concerning Libya.
How ANYONE can stand up and defend such a person over and over is baffling…unless they themselves think lying and deceiving is acceptable.
Let’s be real here, you would not have put Obama and trust in the same sentence at any point in the past 4 years.
I am criticizing Romney for lying. There is precious little evidence of him every “working with” anyone. That is the nature of a CEO, a Bishop and a partisan pol.
This country has been “polarized” since 1994 and the Gingrich revolution and the inoperable Congress that thinks it is orchestrating a coup bears ten times more blame than Obama.
Sadly, by America’s standards, Romney could (and IMO will) do much worse. I am afraid we may find that out the hard way.
I am more and more thankful that my children are grown and that I have no grandchildren. That should not become the new American value that it is.
7…”I am more and more thankful that my children are grown and that I have no grandchildren. That should not become the new American value that it is.”
Actually Sandi, we need all the grandchildren we can get to pay Obama’s debt off.
Obama’s 5 trillion is a piece of cake for America. It is history and Bush’s 10 trillion we already had that is the pain.
Somehow, Romney/Ryan is gonna fix it all with cake for everyone. I am interested to see how that happens. Not that it will matter to the right. As long as your guy is in the House, the rest will become irrelevant again.
LOL…So BHO’s $5.4 trillion (racked up over 3.5 years) is a “piece of cake”? Yet GWB’s $4.8 trillion (over 8 years) is a “pain”? Man, I love liberal logic. If only it applied to the real world…
No,I don’t know if Romney is the answer to our problems. But after 4 long hard years, I know Obama is not.
A good perspective on the “Benghazi-gate” faux scandal.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/benghazi-the-real-libya-story-is-no-story-20121024
Speaking of logic, I said “It is history and Bush’s 10 trillion we already had that is the pain.” I did not say Bush’s debt alone. Those who added to the debt and failed to touch deficits certainly did add to the problem and when the crisis hit, we had no where else to go. That is what happened in the real world.
You do know that Romney and his ‘cake for everyone” plans will not work. You know it and you will not say it. That clarity you use only on Obama needs to be shared with your own party too.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Yes, but for some reason you felt it necessary to include Bush’s portion in the “pain”, while Obama’s much larger share (in proportion to time in office) goes in your so-called “piece of cake” category. But whatever…
What I “DO know”, is Obama’s plans have not worked. I DO know we’ve racked up $5.4 trillion in additional debt since he took office. So called “stimulus” that only stimulated Obama’s union buddies and other political cronies. A record 47 million people on food stamps (up 15 million since he took office)…over 8% unemployment during a majority of his term (real figures much higher than that)…declining GDP and a stagnant economy.
Four more years of this garbage? No way. Time for new leadership.
I wonder what our man Griffith thinks of this since he represents “coal country” although not this particular area.
http://anticap.wordpress.com/2012/10/25/protest-of-the-day-177/
Eight retired and active members of the United Mine Workers of America (UMWA) and the union itself filed a federal class action suit [ht: db] late yesterday in the Southern District of West Virginia, asking the court to “enter judgment against Defendants declaring that Defendants are obligated to maintain funding of the Plaintiffs’ benefit plans.”
The suit is filed on behalf of more than 10,000 retirees and active workers whose health care and pension benefits Peabody and Arch transferred to the Patriot Coal Company, which is in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy reorganization.
The suit maintains that Peabody and Arch “planned to transfer (their) employees and benefit plan obligations to Patriot for the purpose of depriving (their) employees and retired employees of their welfare and retiree benefits.” This is illegal under the Employee Retirement and Income Securities Act (ERISA).
I “felt it necessary to include Bush’s portion”, because that is where it belongs, included. History had already accumulated substantial debt before he added to it without a financial crisis, and that bears mentioning. You attribute, as always, “Obama’s much larger share” adding “(in proportion to time in office)” without so much as a caveat for the economic global crisis not seen since The Great Depression. So please do not play the semantics games with my post.
If Bush had not added to the debt for his vanity war, insurance freebie and tax deductions he never paid for, the debt would have been much easier to handle. There is no way around that for any sane analysis. If the 10 trillion debt and ballooning deficits Bush left us with was such a problem, you all would have been all over it, I am certain. That is why the blow-back when you all carry on about Obama’s debt in response to holding the nation together in a crisis.
You absolutely do not “know Obama’s plans have not worked”. Thanks to an obstructive and destructive Congress, his “plans” were stymied at every opportunity they could muster. And still are.
Simply screeching “we’ve racked up $5.4 trillion in additional debt” without the caveats that you all were so willing to give Bush is more of that same meme that creates the blow-back I mentioned.
It is patently untrue that the Stimulus and spending “only stimulated Obama’s union buddies and other political cronies”. The facts do not agree with you.
The food stamp increase, limping GDP, stagnant economy and the unemployment problem are not all or even mostly his doing. They just are not.
I venture to promise you “Four more years of this garbage” no matter who wins the election. Climbing out of 30+ years of morass is not a quick hop. I predict that will be the new right wing meme if Romney is elected too.
Leadership and Romney, do not belong in the same sentence.
Ohhh sandi? If Romney wins will he inherit Bush’s fault or obama’s?
Obama and classless, DO BELONG in the same sentence. Just like a lib, speaking for everyone.
Of course, most of his followers do think like 6th graders.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/obama-to-rolling-stone-on-what-kids-think-of-romney-that%E2%80%99s-a-bullser-i-can-tell/
#15 – “Leadership and Romney, do not belong in the same sentence.”
And yet you think someone who wins elections by digging up dirt on his opponents, who has a record of voting “Present”, and had zero executive leadership experience prior to getting his present job IS a great leader.
Sorry, but in my humble opinion, you have no idea what a real leader is.
Well mattyr, according to the right wing, what anyone “inherits” is beside the point, what they come in to, is theirs the moment they are sworn in and any attempts to point out what was “inherited” will be met with the line I have listened to for four years…”get over it”.
b.o.h.i.c.a., many kids do have good instincts for when they are being lied to, most of us adults do to. Clearly not all of us, but most of us.
BTW, what is it that you think will make Romney a more “legitimate” President than Obama has been? Why will Romney not deserve the criticism, anger, hate and discord you have shown Obama for four years? What goes around comes around. When he fails, and he will because he is not honest, he is not trustworthy and he has no clue how to fix things, I will be here to help you all see that. Just as kindly and respectfully as you have done it for me. I won’t use the childish, small minded insults and lies like many here have, but I will be happy in my new role as “judge”. Vindication is it’s own reward.
“What goes around comes around. ” I agree…the left’s extreme hatred of GWB bears that out.
Oh so now we can talk about Bush? I never get it with you folks. He is verboten when there is blame, but example A when there is whining? I will try to keep that in mind.
Just proving your point Sandi. What goes around indeed goes around…and the right’s attitude toward Obama can be traced, in part, to the left’s extreme, vile hatred of Bush for the preceding 8 years. Deny that all you want…but there has been nothing said of the current POTUS that is any more hateful than the bile spewed at his predecessor. So get off your high horse.
Actually The Other Rick, the vile, divisive and unhinged political climate has literally been traced to the source and that is Newt Gingrich in 1994. Before that “take no prisoners” mantra was embraced we had a government that actually worked. It was not always correct, but it was working. The road map is rather startling after that.
As to the “extremes” you refer to, the left is a literal piker when it comes to politicians and governance. There are far more right wing extremists in state and national politics than “lefties”. There are far more right wing extremists websites, media outlets, talking heads and talk show hosts as well.
People “hated” Bush for lying to go to his vanity war and not paying for anything he gave, oddly also for much of what you all scream at Obama over too. Only most of you were not screaming then. Which is why you get such grief over your selective outrage now. If Obama’s 5 trillion added to the debt is heinous, what was Bush’s? And yet there was almost a deafening silence over his spending without even an economic crisis as a reason. That defies logic.
I am not on any “high horse” and I resent that my opinion is discounted but yours is so true. We both know better.