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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/saturday-letters-104/#comment-149506</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did not say I found your dogma &quot;disrespectful&quot;, I said it was delusional and I believe it is.  It is literally not true that anyone voted &quot;&lt;em&gt;for the very one who landed them in this situation&lt;/em&gt;&quot;.

YOU are selectively applying Scripture and comments from the American Founders to dismiss an election outcome you do not like.  I consider that blasphemy and abuse of the Gospel.

No one has asked you or anyone else not to &quot;obey God over Man&quot;.  Again, it literally is not true that &quot;&lt;em&gt;this president has false arguments for everything from abortion to the economy&lt;/em&gt;&quot;.  That is YOUR interpretation and opinion.  Leave God and the Gospel out of it.

I believe that equality, fairness and sensible governance is in the best interests of us all.  We are richer for the outcome of this election, not &quot;poorer for it&#039;. You cheapen and dismiss the true &quot;Evil and falsehood&quot; by pretending that Romney losing is such an event!  You cheapen faith when you use it as a weapon.  

Maybe what &quot;must be confronted&quot; is why a message and candidate you think is so superior were both rejected. &quot;Is he so perfect that nothing he says should be challenged?&quot;  Obviously not.

Do not bring God into your political fights unless you are going to explain why God would tell us to fight for justice, the poor, the widowed and the sick and yet prefer a leader more willing to let the poor, elderly, disabled and unemployed and their children, suffer.  That is the choice America faced and I believe our God given free will and the message of love in the Bible helped us make it.  Where did God or his prophets say that a good leader does not need to worry about or help their people?  He didn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not say I found your dogma &#8220;disrespectful&#8221;, I said it was delusional and I believe it is.  It is literally not true that anyone voted &#8220;<em>for the very one who landed them in this situation</em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>YOU are selectively applying Scripture and comments from the American Founders to dismiss an election outcome you do not like.  I consider that blasphemy and abuse of the Gospel.</p>
<p>No one has asked you or anyone else not to &#8220;obey God over Man&#8221;.  Again, it literally is not true that &#8220;<em>this president has false arguments for everything from abortion to the economy</em>&#8220;.  That is YOUR interpretation and opinion.  Leave God and the Gospel out of it.</p>
<p>I believe that equality, fairness and sensible governance is in the best interests of us all.  We are richer for the outcome of this election, not &#8220;poorer for it&#8217;. You cheapen and dismiss the true &#8220;Evil and falsehood&#8221; by pretending that Romney losing is such an event!  You cheapen faith when you use it as a weapon.  </p>
<p>Maybe what &#8220;must be confronted&#8221; is why a message and candidate you think is so superior were both rejected. &#8220;Is he so perfect that nothing he says should be challenged?&#8221;  Obviously not.</p>
<p>Do not bring God into your political fights unless you are going to explain why God would tell us to fight for justice, the poor, the widowed and the sick and yet prefer a leader more willing to let the poor, elderly, disabled and unemployed and their children, suffer.  That is the choice America faced and I believe our God given free will and the message of love in the Bible helped us make it.  Where did God or his prophets say that a good leader does not need to worry about or help their people?  He didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Grdankl Strong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/saturday-letters-104/#comment-149482</link>
		<dc:creator>Grdankl Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 04:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandi - What is is that you find disrespectful?  Habakkuk is in the Old Testament of God&#039;s Word.  The other comments were from Founding Father, Samuel Adams, also a Christian, applied to today&#039;s situation.  You a right that we are supposed to be respectful of authorities.  Romans 13 says so.   However, the book of Acts records the disciples as saying they have to obey God over Man, if there is a conflict between the two.  2 Corinthians also says that we are supposed to pull down strongholds and demolish false arguments.  It happens that this president has false arguments for everything from abortion to the economy, and we are all the poorer for it.  Evil and falsehood must be confronted, regardless of who speaks them.  If it happens to be the President, he must be confronted, too.  Is he so perfect that nothing he says should be challenged?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandi &#8211; What is is that you find disrespectful?  Habakkuk is in the Old Testament of God&#8217;s Word.  The other comments were from Founding Father, Samuel Adams, also a Christian, applied to today&#8217;s situation.  You a right that we are supposed to be respectful of authorities.  Romans 13 says so.   However, the book of Acts records the disciples as saying they have to obey God over Man, if there is a conflict between the two.  2 Corinthians also says that we are supposed to pull down strongholds and demolish false arguments.  It happens that this president has false arguments for everything from abortion to the economy, and we are all the poorer for it.  Evil and falsehood must be confronted, regardless of who speaks them.  If it happens to be the President, he must be confronted, too.  Is he so perfect that nothing he says should be challenged?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/saturday-letters-104/#comment-149477</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 01:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the love of God, leave Him out of this delusion you nurture!  I pity you and cannot imagine having such a mindset but I cannot believe it pleases God to hear such talk from those who claim to follow him.

The Bible tells you, over and over and over to respect and obey the leaders.  Just like it tells the slaves to obey their masters...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the love of God, leave Him out of this delusion you nurture!  I pity you and cannot imagine having such a mindset but I cannot believe it pleases God to hear such talk from those who claim to follow him.</p>
<p>The Bible tells you, over and over and over to respect and obey the leaders.  Just like it tells the slaves to obey their masters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Lindholm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/saturday-letters-104/#comment-149460</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Lindholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To #1 (Grdankl Strong):  Aye.  I&#039;ve often wondered why young people voted so much for those who damaged their futures so severely.  Between a near doubling of the &quot;debt held by the public&quot; ($6.3 trillion in Jan of 2009 vs. $11.4 trillion today), greatly increased student loan debt (compliments of the US Department of Education), and higher mortgage debt (compliments of the US FHA and the Federal Reserve), the &quot;millennials&quot; are facing prospects dimmer than that of any generation in the past 50 years.

I suspect as time goes by, though, and the pain of paying off that debt with  moderate incomes becomes more apparent, they&#039;ll figure it out.  Remember that a lot of today&#039;s conservative-leaning baby boomers used to be hippies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #1 (Grdankl Strong):  Aye.  I&#8217;ve often wondered why young people voted so much for those who damaged their futures so severely.  Between a near doubling of the &#8220;debt held by the public&#8221; ($6.3 trillion in Jan of 2009 vs. $11.4 trillion today), greatly increased student loan debt (compliments of the US Department of Education), and higher mortgage debt (compliments of the US FHA and the Federal Reserve), the &#8220;millennials&#8221; are facing prospects dimmer than that of any generation in the past 50 years.</p>
<p>I suspect as time goes by, though, and the pain of paying off that debt with  moderate incomes becomes more apparent, they&#8217;ll figure it out.  Remember that a lot of today&#8217;s conservative-leaning baby boomers used to be hippies.</p>
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		<title>By: Grdankl Strong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/saturday-letters-104/#comment-149456</link>
		<dc:creator>Grdankl Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could not agree more.  The Old Testament book of Habakkuk is perfectly relevant for this dark time.  I invite all RT readers to read that book and take it to heart.  May we learn what the Almighty is trying to teach us.  We need to pray that our nation returns to Him, so that America will come back to its senses

One great irony is that young people, of whom 50% cannot find jobs after their college educations, and who will end up paying back most of this debt, turned out in droves to vote for the very one who landed them in this situation.  So, how much was their college education really worth?  According to Jay Perini, professor at Middlebury College in Vermont, the deliberate, stragegic, seditious &quot;reshaping of American universities&quot; began with the anti-war grad students of the 1960&#039;s, many of whom became professors.  Now they have taken over our universities and have trained for us a generation of liberal journalists, lawyers, teachers and professors.  They haven&#039;t just been educated.  They have been so brain-washed that they voted their own detriment.

Enjoy a few (annotated) comments from Samuel Adams:
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen (who fought for you liberals), and then say &#039;what should be the reward of such sacrifices?&#039; Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men (liberals) who have let loose on us (conservatives) the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us (conservatives) from the face of the earth? If ye (liberals) love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” 
 
“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” (Obama is a master!) 
  
“A general dissolution of principles and manners (e.g. abortion, sexual revolution, redefining marriage) will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.” (We have thrown our historic moral order overboard &amp; now we are in bondage to our creditors and ever less protected against those who hate us.)

“Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age, impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, of inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity and universal philanthropy, and, in subordination to these great principles, the love of their country; of instructing them in the art of self-government, without which they can never act as a wise part of the government of societies, great or small in short, of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” (We have shut this out of our schools and public square.  Look where we find ourselves now!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could not agree more.  The Old Testament book of Habakkuk is perfectly relevant for this dark time.  I invite all RT readers to read that book and take it to heart.  May we learn what the Almighty is trying to teach us.  We need to pray that our nation returns to Him, so that America will come back to its senses</p>
<p>One great irony is that young people, of whom 50% cannot find jobs after their college educations, and who will end up paying back most of this debt, turned out in droves to vote for the very one who landed them in this situation.  So, how much was their college education really worth?  According to Jay Perini, professor at Middlebury College in Vermont, the deliberate, stragegic, seditious &#8220;reshaping of American universities&#8221; began with the anti-war grad students of the 1960&#8242;s, many of whom became professors.  Now they have taken over our universities and have trained for us a generation of liberal journalists, lawyers, teachers and professors.  They haven&#8217;t just been educated.  They have been so brain-washed that they voted their own detriment.</p>
<p>Enjoy a few (annotated) comments from Samuel Adams:<br />
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen (who fought for you liberals), and then say &#8216;what should be the reward of such sacrifices?&#8217; Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men (liberals) who have let loose on us (conservatives) the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us (conservatives) from the face of the earth? If ye (liberals) love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” </p>
<p>“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” (Obama is a master!) </p>
<p>“A general dissolution of principles and manners (e.g. abortion, sexual revolution, redefining marriage) will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.” (We have thrown our historic moral order overboard &amp; now we are in bondage to our creditors and ever less protected against those who hate us.)</p>
<p>“Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age, impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, of inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity and universal philanthropy, and, in subordination to these great principles, the love of their country; of instructing them in the art of self-government, without which they can never act as a wise part of the government of societies, great or small in short, of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” (We have shut this out of our schools and public square.  Look where we find ourselves now!)</p>
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