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Full many a glorious morning have I seen
Flatter the mountain tops with sovereign eye,
Kissing with golden face the meadows green,
Gilding pale streams with heavenly alchemy;
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Full many a glorious morning have I seen
Flatter the mountain tops with sovereign eye,
Kissing with golden face the meadows green,
Gilding pale streams with heavenly alchemy;
What’s on your mind today?
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The election results have left me speechless, so I will let the the poets speak for me!
“Though nothing can bring back the hour
Of splendor in the grass, of glory in the flower;
We will grieve not, rather find
Strength in what remains behind;” (William Wordsworth)
And…
“Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.” (Shakespeare’s Macbeth)
It is not for myself that I worry as this country’s radical move to the left will have little effect on my life at its late stage. But I fear for my children and grandchildren that they will not be able to enjoy the lifestyle that my wife and I have. But that will please the liberals, will it not?.
I hate to be Debbie Downer but wanted to remind everyone (myself included) there are a lot of people with hurt feelings over yesterday’s election.
Please let’s be nice to each other and give the sting some time to wear off. Let’s be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
John R…
I hope you and your family get to enjoy all the same things for a long time to come. I would like to enjoy the same life that my parents did…perhaps without The Depression, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam and a few personal matters.
At the end of the day, none of us can re-live the past. There might be elements foist we would like to bring forward, but it just doesn’t work that way. If you spend too much time looking behind you, you’ll miss that special moment with your family that’s happening right now.
I was impressed with Romney’s concession speech last night. Perhaps if we had seen more of that man on the campaign trail, the outcome today would have been different.
I think that’s the problem with politics today. Candidates, in order to get votes, pander to every “color of the rainbow” knowing full well that most of what they say will never be accomplished. I would much prefer candidates that would speak their own minds without the political handlers so that one could get a true feeling for a candidate.
At any rate, it is a new morning…lets be grateful we’re all here.
#2 – I have no hurt feelings, Scott. The system worked and the people made their choice.
Like it or not, we have to live with it.
#1 “But that will please the liberals, will it not?”
Wrong to the bitter end, eh, John R?
One of the things that strikes me is that conservative Republicans continuously beat the drum that polls are biased toward Dems and that the major polls showing Obama winning were WAY off. As it turned out, the polls were pretty darned accurate, even tilted a little to the Repubs in the Senate races.
John R, I am sorry you think it would “please” us for anyone to not be able to achieve the lifestyle that they want. While it has always been a reality for millions, it is not something that anyone should cheer. I do not believe that helping others drags anyone down.
I am also sorry that you think last night’s victory was “this country’s radical move to the left”. I do not see it that way, but I do not fear or loathe the left the way you do.
At the end of every day, we all want what is best for our family, this nation and the world. That we may get there in different ways, with different methods and different leaders does not detract from having the same goal.
Congratulations to gdad, Scott, Sandi, Art and my other liberal pen pals on President Obama’s re-election. I am eating crow this morning.
I think the next 4 years are going to be painful for all of us, however, I hope I am as wrong about that as I was about this election.
John R., I’m sorry to hear you feel that way. I mean that sincerely.
I’m not trying to pick fights while the wounds are still fresh but I don’t think the dim future you foresee can be blamed on liberals. Personally, I’m convinced it’s because of our global economic system (my old hobby horse – capitalism). We’re competing with cheap labor, global production, etc. In an effort to stay profitable by the owners of the means of production they’re going to offer lower and lower wages. People need money and will compete among themselves for lower and lower wages decreasing our standard of living. It used to be 1 working person could support a family of 6. Now both parents have to work in order to support a family of 3.
I hope you’re wrong about the future. If you want to make that future better, re-examine your preconceived notions of who/what to blame.
@8 JimW, thanks but I didn’t vote for Obama. If you want a laugh, check out today’s newspaper. They’ve listed votes by county, precinct, candidate, etc. If you look in the Roanoke County section, Wildwood Precinct, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, you’ll see one and only one vote for her.
That one is mine.
Thanks JimW. I believe there will have to be pain for us all over the next 4-10 years to get out of this hole we have dug. Regardless of the election results last night, that was going to be true this morning. Granted, the solutions and routes may be different, but I cannot see us getting out of this without real sacrifice and effort. Relying on a market that only cares about profit is not going to create the jobs needed or the economy required to regain our footing or pay the debts.
Roll up your sleeves folks and see the reality of our situation.
Way to test the system Scott M!
JimW…
I think if we all really looked at ourselves with a good mirror, most of us would be chewing on a little crow this morning.
I was just talking with a colleague a few minutes ago and the real concern for all of us is the very well defined division within the country. Until we have leaders from both sides who have the ability to move toward compromise and consensus, we will be fighting the same issues for decades to come.
I would only hope that we push our members of Congress to work as a collective unit for the entire population as opposed to only a political party.
By the way Jim, thanks for referring to us as pals…pen or otherwise.
10…LOL Scott. That is a unique vote indeed.
11… Agreed Sandi, lots of work to do.
13…Thanks WIll, we fuss at each other alot but I have never doubted that you care about this country as much as I do.
@15…JimW
LOL…it’s kinda like with my partner sometimes. I love him with all my heart 24/7, but there are time when I just don’t like him.
Family in all shapes and sizes is what it boils down to. We fight amongst ourselves, but anyone from the outside who tries to hurt any of us better look out!
Have a great day!
True conservatives should take heart. Romney is not, and never has been, a principled conservative, instead a political weathervane who spins on just about every position, depending on his audience. He also is not a free market capitalist, although he plays the croney capitalist game about as well as anyone does.
Think about this: neither Obama nor Romney is a true free marketeer; the difference is that Obama has never claimed to be one. When the economy washes out in Obama’s second term – and it will – there is no way the free market can be blamed, because the Obama administration is eliminating as many free market phenomena as they can, as fast as they can.
The economy would have tanked just as fast, and just as severely, and just as certainly under a Romney administration; but the CPUSA/Dem Party crowd, seeing croneyist measures implemented as free market initiatives, would have raised a free market boogieman, in spite of there being no free market initiatives.
That can’t happen now. The real mystery is who the left will blame.
16…Well said and true.
We will blame the culprit. We have more than proved we have some smart people who are capable of honest analysis.
We have never really had a free market economy, at least not in the last century. Whining about the market restrictions and monetary policy as if ANYONE was going to change them was venting with no possibility of going any farther IMO. You are right, neither outcome ever stood a chance of giving some people what they wanted, as most of us know that is simply not possible.
Whatever is “coming”, was coming no matter who won as well. We will face it as we always have. That is what we do.
The moderate won. It’s time to roll up our sleeves.
Thanks, JimW. I’m a pretty bad prognosticator myself — I had concluded about three weeks ago that Romney was going to win, although I was slightly more hopeful by yesterday.
Chris Matthews on MSNBC last night after Obama’s win:
“Let me just close my thoughts tonight. It takes a half a second. I am so proud of the country to re-elect this president and overcoming, not because of the partisanship or any of the, even the policies. Just the fact, here’s an African guy, African-American guy from an unusual background. Part immigrant background, part African-American background with all this assault on him from day one…(snip)…Good work for them, good work for him, a good day for America. I’m so glad we had that storm last week because I think the storm was one of those things. No, politically I should say, not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics.”
Nevermind that Hurricane Sandy has killed over a hundred people, wiped out homes and left thousands homeless, freezing, suffering for over a week now with no relief in sight for many…
Since it helped Obama look presidential right before the election, Chris “Tingles” Matthews emphatically says he is “so glad we had that storm last week”.
I would say “unbelievable”…but today, nothing surprises me.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/07/chris-matthews-obamas-win-i-m-so-glad-we-had-storm-last-week
I know what you mean. Here is just one of Victoria Jackson’s tweets:
“The Democrat Party voted God out and replaced Him with Romans 1. In the Good vs. Evil battle…today…Evil won.”
And Limbaugh: “I went to bed last night thinking, ‘we’re outnumbered,’” he said. “I went to bed last night thinking we’d lost the country. I don’t know how else you look at this. The first wave of exit polls came in at five o’clock. I looked at it, and I said … ‘this is utter BS, and if it isn’t, then we’ve lost the country.’”
Lastly there is Trump: “This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! More votes equals a loss…revolution!”
Unlike you, I find them all perfectly believable and par for the course.
Being happy about a storm that has killed over a hundred people, left millions without power for days, wiped out homes, businesses, livelihoods…but it helped get his guy re-elected…I think that “trumps” anything that Trump or the others said there…
To be fair, Matthews did end up apologizing yesterday. I suspect his employer made him though. They should have fired his sorry butt…if NBC had any ethics, they would have long ago.
Speaking of “tactics” and “Chubby Checker…twist”! Chris Matthews is from the area, he would never be “happy” about such a devastating storm. He was saying that the cooperation and putting aside political differences to get the job done was an important reminder of what we are supposed to do. His point was not petty and small. You and many on the right are twisting his words to mean what he did not mean. You know this and you are doing it anyway.
@24…TOR,
You know better than that! And I’ve read your posts to know that you’re just throwing wild barbs now.
I saw Matthews apology for his comments from the previous evening, but frankly…he shouldn’t have to. He was speaking directly to the fact that while tragic, it took a storm like Sandy to bring opposing sides together for a common good.
I find it sadly telling about the Republican Party when members of Romney’s campaign are now maligning Christie for his remarks regarding Obama’s help before, during and after the storm. Did these people not learn anything from the previous night?
The country as a whole is tired of the partisan bickering…I’m tired of it I know and I’m starting here and now to make my voice heard. I suspect I’m not alone because I’ve spoken to many of my republican friends, and I do mean friends, who are equally tired of it.
My advice to Republicans is simple: If you want to become an inclusive and meaningful party, stop marginalizing the electorate and start addressing issues that are truly urgent and important. Social issues are not the most pressing issues any more and if it is indeed true that the GOP is the party that wants less government interference in people’s lives, then start acting like it.