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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149286</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@24...TOR,

You know better than that! And I&#039;ve read your posts to know that you&#039;re just throwing wild barbs now.

I saw Matthews apology for his comments from the previous evening, but frankly...he shouldn&#039;t have to. He was speaking directly to the fact that while tragic, it took a storm like Sandy to bring opposing sides together for a common good.

I find it sadly telling about the Republican Party when members of Romney&#039;s campaign are now maligning Christie for his remarks regarding Obama&#039;s help before, during and after the storm. Did these people not learn anything from the previous night?

The country as a whole is tired of the partisan bickering...I&#039;m tired of it I know and I&#039;m starting here and now to make my voice heard. I suspect I&#039;m not alone because I&#039;ve spoken to many of my republican friends, and I do mean friends, who are equally tired of it.

My advice to Republicans is simple: If you want to become an inclusive and meaningful party, stop marginalizing the electorate and start addressing issues that are truly urgent and important. Social issues are not the most pressing issues any more and if it is indeed true that the GOP is the party that wants less government interference in people&#039;s lives, then start acting like it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24&#8230;TOR,</p>
<p>You know better than that! And I&#8217;ve read your posts to know that you&#8217;re just throwing wild barbs now.</p>
<p>I saw Matthews apology for his comments from the previous evening, but frankly&#8230;he shouldn&#8217;t have to. He was speaking directly to the fact that while tragic, it took a storm like Sandy to bring opposing sides together for a common good.</p>
<p>I find it sadly telling about the Republican Party when members of Romney&#8217;s campaign are now maligning Christie for his remarks regarding Obama&#8217;s help before, during and after the storm. Did these people not learn anything from the previous night?</p>
<p>The country as a whole is tired of the partisan bickering&#8230;I&#8217;m tired of it I know and I&#8217;m starting here and now to make my voice heard. I suspect I&#8217;m not alone because I&#8217;ve spoken to many of my republican friends, and I do mean friends, who are equally tired of it.</p>
<p>My advice to Republicans is simple: If you want to become an inclusive and meaningful party, stop marginalizing the electorate and start addressing issues that are truly urgent and important. Social issues are not the most pressing issues any more and if it is indeed true that the GOP is the party that wants less government interference in people&#8217;s lives, then start acting like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149273</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of &quot;tactics&quot; and &quot;Chubby Checker...twist&quot;!  Chris Matthews is from the area, he would never be &quot;happy&quot; about such a devastating storm. He was saying that the cooperation and putting aside political differences to get the job done was an important reminder of what we are supposed to do. His point was not petty and small.  You and many on the right are twisting his words to mean what he did not mean.  You know this and you are doing it anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;tactics&#8221; and &#8220;Chubby Checker&#8230;twist&#8221;!  Chris Matthews is from the area, he would never be &#8220;happy&#8221; about such a devastating storm. He was saying that the cooperation and putting aside political differences to get the job done was an important reminder of what we are supposed to do. His point was not petty and small.  You and many on the right are twisting his words to mean what he did not mean.  You know this and you are doing it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Rick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149267</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being happy about a storm that has killed over a hundred people, left millions without power for days, wiped out homes, businesses, livelihoods...but it helped get his guy re-elected...I think that &quot;trumps&quot; anything that Trump or the others said there...

To be fair, Matthews did end up apologizing yesterday.  I suspect his employer made him though.  They should have fired his sorry butt...if NBC had any ethics, they would have long ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being happy about a storm that has killed over a hundred people, left millions without power for days, wiped out homes, businesses, livelihoods&#8230;but it helped get his guy re-elected&#8230;I think that &#8220;trumps&#8221; anything that Trump or the others said there&#8230;</p>
<p>To be fair, Matthews did end up apologizing yesterday.  I suspect his employer made him though.  They should have fired his sorry butt&#8230;if NBC had any ethics, they would have long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149225</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know what you mean.  Here is just one of Victoria Jackson&#039;s tweets:
&quot;&lt;em&gt;The Democrat Party voted God out and replaced Him with Romans 1. In the Good vs. Evil battle...today...Evil won.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

And Limbaugh: &lt;em&gt;&quot;I went to bed last night thinking, &#039;we&#039;re outnumbered,&#039;&quot; he said. &quot;I went to bed last night thinking we&#039;d lost the country. I don&#039;t know how else you look at this. The first wave of exit polls came in at five o&#039;clock. I looked at it, and I said ... &#039;this is utter BS, and if it isn&#039;t, then we&#039;ve lost the country.&#039;&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Lastly there is Trump: &quot;&lt;em&gt;This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!  More votes equals a loss...revolution!&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Unlike you, I find them all perfectly believable and par for the course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean.  Here is just one of Victoria Jackson&#8217;s tweets:<br />
&#8220;<em>The Democrat Party voted God out and replaced Him with Romans 1. In the Good vs. Evil battle&#8230;today&#8230;Evil won.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>And Limbaugh: <em>&#8220;I went to bed last night thinking, &#8216;we&#8217;re outnumbered,&#8217;&#8221; he said. &#8220;I went to bed last night thinking we&#8217;d lost the country. I don&#8217;t know how else you look at this. The first wave of exit polls came in at five o&#8217;clock. I looked at it, and I said &#8230; &#8216;this is utter BS, and if it isn&#8217;t, then we&#8217;ve lost the country.&#8217;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Lastly there is Trump: &#8220;<em>This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!  More votes equals a loss&#8230;revolution!</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Unlike you, I find them all perfectly believable and par for the course.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Rick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149215</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Matthews on MSNBC last night after Obama&#039;s win:

&quot;Let me just close my thoughts tonight. It takes a half a second. I am so proud of the country to re-elect this president and overcoming, not because of the partisanship or any of the, even the policies. Just the fact, here’s an African guy, African-American guy from an unusual background. Part immigrant background, part African-American background with all this assault on him from day one...(snip)...Good work for them, good work for him, a good day for America. I’m so glad we had that storm last week because I think the storm was one of those things. No, politically I should say, not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics.&quot;

Nevermind that Hurricane Sandy has killed over a hundred people, wiped out homes and left thousands homeless, freezing, suffering for over a week now with no relief in sight for many... 

Since it helped Obama look presidential right before the election, Chris &quot;Tingles&quot; Matthews emphatically says he is &quot;so glad we had that storm last week&quot;.  

I would say &quot;unbelievable&quot;...but today, nothing surprises me.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/07/chris-matthews-obamas-win-i-m-so-glad-we-had-storm-last-week]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Matthews on MSNBC last night after Obama&#8217;s win:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let me just close my thoughts tonight. It takes a half a second. I am so proud of the country to re-elect this president and overcoming, not because of the partisanship or any of the, even the policies. Just the fact, here’s an African guy, African-American guy from an unusual background. Part immigrant background, part African-American background with all this assault on him from day one&#8230;(snip)&#8230;Good work for them, good work for him, a good day for America. I’m so glad we had that storm last week because I think the storm was one of those things. No, politically I should say, not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevermind that Hurricane Sandy has killed over a hundred people, wiped out homes and left thousands homeless, freezing, suffering for over a week now with no relief in sight for many&#8230; </p>
<p>Since it helped Obama look presidential right before the election, Chris &#8220;Tingles&#8221; Matthews emphatically says he is &#8220;so glad we had that storm last week&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I would say &#8220;unbelievable&#8221;&#8230;but today, nothing surprises me.</p>
<p><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/07/chris-matthews-obamas-win-i-m-so-glad-we-had-storm-last-week" rel="nofollow">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/07/chris-matthews-obamas-win-i-m-so-glad-we-had-storm-last-week</a></p>
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		<title>By: gdad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149193</link>
		<dc:creator>gdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, JimW. I&#039;m a pretty bad prognosticator myself -- I had concluded about three weeks ago that Romney was going to win, although I was slightly more hopeful by yesterday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, JimW. I&#8217;m a pretty bad prognosticator myself &#8212; I had concluded about three weeks ago that Romney was going to win, although I was slightly more hopeful by yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Hill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149186</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The moderate won. It&#039;s time to roll up our sleeves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moderate won. It&#8217;s time to roll up our sleeves.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi Saunders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149183</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We will blame the culprit. We have more than proved we have some smart people who are capable of honest analysis. 

We have never really had a free market economy, at least not in the last century.  Whining about the market restrictions and monetary policy as if ANYONE was going to change them was venting with no possibility of going any farther IMO.  You are right, neither outcome ever stood a chance of giving some people what they wanted, as most of us know that is simply not possible.

Whatever is &quot;coming&quot;, was coming no matter who won as well.  We will face it as we always have.  That is what we do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will blame the culprit. We have more than proved we have some smart people who are capable of honest analysis. </p>
<p>We have never really had a free market economy, at least not in the last century.  Whining about the market restrictions and monetary policy as if ANYONE was going to change them was venting with no possibility of going any farther IMO.  You are right, neither outcome ever stood a chance of giving some people what they wanted, as most of us know that is simply not possible.</p>
<p>Whatever is &#8220;coming&#8221;, was coming no matter who won as well.  We will face it as we always have.  That is what we do.</p>
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		<title>By: JimW</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149180</link>
		<dc:creator>JimW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[16...Well said and true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16&#8230;Well said and true.</p>
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		<title>By: 89Hoo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2012/11/wednesday-open-thread-222/#comment-149179</link>
		<dc:creator>89Hoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True conservatives should take heart. Romney is not, and never has been, a principled conservative, instead a political weathervane who spins on just about every position, depending on his audience. He also is not a free market capitalist, although he plays the croney capitalist game about as well as anyone does. 

Think about this: neither Obama nor Romney is a true free marketeer; the difference is that Obama has never claimed to be one. When the economy washes out in Obama&#039;s second term - and it will - there is no way the free market can be blamed, because the Obama administration is eliminating as many free market phenomena as they can, as fast as they can. 

The economy would have tanked just as fast, and just as severely, and just as certainly under a Romney administration; but the CPUSA/Dem Party crowd, seeing croneyist measures implemented as free market initiatives, would have raised a free market boogieman, in spite of there being no free market initiatives. 

That can&#039;t happen now. The real mystery is who the left will blame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True conservatives should take heart. Romney is not, and never has been, a principled conservative, instead a political weathervane who spins on just about every position, depending on his audience. He also is not a free market capitalist, although he plays the croney capitalist game about as well as anyone does. </p>
<p>Think about this: neither Obama nor Romney is a true free marketeer; the difference is that Obama has never claimed to be one. When the economy washes out in Obama&#8217;s second term &#8211; and it will &#8211; there is no way the free market can be blamed, because the Obama administration is eliminating as many free market phenomena as they can, as fast as they can. </p>
<p>The economy would have tanked just as fast, and just as severely, and just as certainly under a Romney administration; but the CPUSA/Dem Party crowd, seeing croneyist measures implemented as free market initiatives, would have raised a free market boogieman, in spite of there being no free market initiatives. </p>
<p>That can&#8217;t happen now. The real mystery is who the left will blame.</p>
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