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		<title>By: C Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/rtblogs/roundtable/2009/01/08/thursday-open-thread-42/#comment-33618</link>
		<dc:creator>C Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People shoud bear in mind that the news story was about one Sheriff in a distant jurisdiction. I can't help but wonder from whom they hear these horror stories about the NRV Regional Jail. An inmate maybe? Heaven knows a criminal would never lie. 

I have seen the meals served locally. They meet the nutrition standards established by law and while they are by no means gourmet, they are quite comparable to the same meals served in our public schools. Personally, I don't believe we should afford our prisoners better fare than we do our school kids. I also have no problem with inmates or their families having to purchase personal items. After all, if they were free, would they not have to purchase their own items? And as to the jails charging exhorbitant prices for these items, does anyone actually have knowledge of this, or is this just more of the same old, "my friend's friend said her cousin's son was in jail and it was really bad?" And has anyone considered that the jails may need to use the money from these sales to augment the insufficient funds the state and local governments provide to operate these facilities. You people act like jails are profit making private businesses and they only spend $1.75 per meal by choice rather than because that's all the government provides in their budgets. 

Additionally, there are a couple of reasons for some of the "awful" conditions mentioned above. Inmates in modern jails and prisons don't have individual cells unless they are some type of high risk or special circumstance. They are housed in dorms with multiple beds in big rooms. They also spend their waking hours in large common ares where they are in constant contact with other inmates. And despite the apparent misbelief that the jails are full of unfortunate underprivileged people who arrived there by chance, there are actually some bad people in jail. 

For those reasons, some lights have to be left on at all times so the jailors can see what is going on in the cell blocks.  That is so they can prevent inmates from assaulting one another, etc. If they were to turn the lights off and not keep watch and an inmate were victimized, or committed suicide, or tripped on the way to the toilet, they jail would be sued for failing to maintain adequate supervision of inmates. 

Or another for instance, perhaps an inmate gets out and tells the horror story of not being allowed to have bread. He probably forgot to mention being caught using the bread (yeast) to ferment home-made alcohol.

But the thing that bothers me the most about this, like most issues, is how people hear a story third hand and assume they know all about an issue, all the while remaining blissfully ignorant about the facts. But best of all, I love the argument implying that the 'misused' jails and prisons are packed full of people convicted of first time possession of pot, or even cocaine. 

The non-criminal public should certainly direct how the prison and justice systems work, but, instead of simply buying every story the media spins or believing every biased anecdote they hear, they should actually avail themselves to the facts when forming an opinion. And while I doubt many people are committing crimes to get in jail for the food, I have known a few habitual drunks who have been interdicted by the courts and purposely go out in public drunk at the end of November so they can spend the winter months in jail. They call it "three hots and a cot." It is a sad commentary on how society, not government but society, has addressed homelessness and addiction, but it is not the fault of the corrections system, a system which society (and again that's society - you know, us, the populace) chooses to provide the absolute bare minimum of funding necessary to perform its function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People shoud bear in mind that the news story was about one Sheriff in a distant jurisdiction. I can't help but wonder from whom they hear these horror stories about the NRV Regional Jail. An inmate maybe? Heaven knows a criminal would never lie. </p>
<p>I have seen the meals served locally. They meet the nutrition standards established by law and while they are by no means gourmet, they are quite comparable to the same meals served in our public schools. Personally, I don't believe we should afford our prisoners better fare than we do our school kids. I also have no problem with inmates or their families having to purchase personal items. After all, if they were free, would they not have to purchase their own items? And as to the jails charging exhorbitant prices for these items, does anyone actually have knowledge of this, or is this just more of the same old, "my friend's friend said her cousin's son was in jail and it was really bad?" And has anyone considered that the jails may need to use the money from these sales to augment the insufficient funds the state and local governments provide to operate these facilities. You people act like jails are profit making private businesses and they only spend $1.75 per meal by choice rather than because that's all the government provides in their budgets. </p>
<p>Additionally, there are a couple of reasons for some of the "awful" conditions mentioned above. Inmates in modern jails and prisons don't have individual cells unless they are some type of high risk or special circumstance. They are housed in dorms with multiple beds in big rooms. They also spend their waking hours in large common ares where they are in constant contact with other inmates. And despite the apparent misbelief that the jails are full of unfortunate underprivileged people who arrived there by chance, there are actually some bad people in jail. </p>
<p>For those reasons, some lights have to be left on at all times so the jailors can see what is going on in the cell blocks.  That is so they can prevent inmates from assaulting one another, etc. If they were to turn the lights off and not keep watch and an inmate were victimized, or committed suicide, or tripped on the way to the toilet, they jail would be sued for failing to maintain adequate supervision of inmates. </p>
<p>Or another for instance, perhaps an inmate gets out and tells the horror story of not being allowed to have bread. He probably forgot to mention being caught using the bread (yeast) to ferment home-made alcohol.</p>
<p>But the thing that bothers me the most about this, like most issues, is how people hear a story third hand and assume they know all about an issue, all the while remaining blissfully ignorant about the facts. But best of all, I love the argument implying that the 'misused' jails and prisons are packed full of people convicted of first time possession of pot, or even cocaine. </p>
<p>The non-criminal public should certainly direct how the prison and justice systems work, but, instead of simply buying every story the media spins or believing every biased anecdote they hear, they should actually avail themselves to the facts when forming an opinion. And while I doubt many people are committing crimes to get in jail for the food, I have known a few habitual drunks who have been interdicted by the courts and purposely go out in public drunk at the end of November so they can spend the winter months in jail. They call it "three hots and a cot." It is a sad commentary on how society, not government but society, has addressed homelessness and addiction, but it is not the fault of the corrections system, a system which society (and again that's society - you know, us, the populace) chooses to provide the absolute bare minimum of funding necessary to perform its function.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe (ntp) Merola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe (ntp) Merola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jail situation is not simply that the inmates weren't given luxury meals, but they were not given adequate nutrition.  The prison was given $1.75 per day for food.  I don't know what one can get wholesale, but I doubt that spending the entire $1.75 is going to give the prisoners such great meals that people will be committing crimes just to get into jail.  The sheriff was spending less than half of the allotment and pocketing the rest - he spent about 90 cents per day per prisoner on their food.  Yes, it is prison (and I believe we need to seriously rethink how we are using our prisons) but the prisoners should be given at least a minimum nutritional diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jail situation is not simply that the inmates weren't given luxury meals, but they were not given adequate nutrition.  The prison was given $1.75 per day for food.  I don't know what one can get wholesale, but I doubt that spending the entire $1.75 is going to give the prisoners such great meals that people will be committing crimes just to get into jail.  The sheriff was spending less than half of the allotment and pocketing the rest - he spent about 90 cents per day per prisoner on their food.  Yes, it is prison (and I believe we need to seriously rethink how we are using our prisons) but the prisoners should be given at least a minimum nutritional diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Marked Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marked Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes HCS, ame.... oops   *takes moment of silence*</description>
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		<title>By: HCS</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes Marked, and let's not forget that these are criminals in there and we as tax payers would be the ones to pay for any extras. I for one don't care to pay for a criminal in jail to have extra food when he/she already gets 3 free meals a day...I don't get 3 free meals a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes Marked, and let's not forget that these are criminals in there and we as tax payers would be the ones to pay for any extras. I for one don't care to pay for a criminal in jail to have extra food when he/she already gets 3 free meals a day...I don't get 3 free meals a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Marked Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marked Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you try to make the jail 'too' appealing, the people without the roof over their heads and going hungry will probably find some way to get into there.

Look at some of the prisons in the country... cable tv, exercise equipment, little (if any) real work, libraries, college/high school training  and classes, 3 hot meals a day, moderate access to drugs, no responsibilities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you try to make the jail 'too' appealing, the people without the roof over their heads and going hungry will probably find some way to get into there.</p>
<p>Look at some of the prisons in the country... cable tv, exercise equipment, little (if any) real work, libraries, college/high school training  and classes, 3 hot meals a day, moderate access to drugs, no responsibilities...</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Bunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Bunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they are arrested, they are guilty.  Right guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are arrested, they are guilty.  Right guys!</p>
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		<title>By: HCS</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, I am a little confused as to what you thought jail was supposed to be? Sure they aren't eating five course meals, but they are given meals everyday...it may not be good, and it may not be a lot but they are not starving to death with their only means of survival a pack of ramen noodles. 
Also, why is food in the stocking strange? What else would a family give someone in jail? And I put food in my daughter's stocking (who is 2 and most certainly not in jail)...not so wierd. 
You also mention these "boys" who are 18 and shouldn't have to deal with this because they are only 18. Yes they are young, but they are certainly old enough to know right from wrong and know the consequences surrounding their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, I am a little confused as to what you thought jail was supposed to be? Sure they aren't eating five course meals, but they are given meals everyday...it may not be good, and it may not be a lot but they are not starving to death with their only means of survival a pack of ramen noodles.<br />
Also, why is food in the stocking strange? What else would a family give someone in jail? And I put food in my daughter's stocking (who is 2 and most certainly not in jail)...not so wierd.<br />
You also mention these "boys" who are 18 and shouldn't have to deal with this because they are only 18. Yes they are young, but they are certainly old enough to know right from wrong and know the consequences surrounding their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comments re: the New River Jail.
As I have never had any dealing with jail or anyone in jail, until talking to some young men recently in a session who had served 3 and more months there.
The thought of even prisoners not having enough to eat bothers me. Especially when it is boys barely 18 who made stupid mistakes. None were drug related BTW.
It also bother me, having to buy all necessary items there. If they do not have the money do they go without toothpaste, underwear, deoderant etc.?
I found the "Christmas Stocking" the family paid for connected to food, rather strange. They know darn well they are depriving these people of enough to eat.

I know there are those who do not have a roof over their heads and going hungry. My family tries to help those also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments re: the New River Jail.<br />
As I have never had any dealing with jail or anyone in jail, until talking to some young men recently in a session who had served 3 and more months there.<br />
The thought of even prisoners not having enough to eat bothers me. Especially when it is boys barely 18 who made stupid mistakes. None were drug related BTW.<br />
It also bother me, having to buy all necessary items there. If they do not have the money do they go without toothpaste, underwear, deoderant etc.?<br />
I found the "Christmas Stocking" the family paid for connected to food, rather strange. They know darn well they are depriving these people of enough to eat.</p>
<p>I know there are those who do not have a roof over their heads and going hungry. My family tries to help those also.</p>
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		<title>By: Marked Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marked Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the jails are having to set their thermostat temps locked at a mandatory 65 degrees as I understand that the good Governor decided to do to every office over at Tech??  Talk about making someone uncomfortable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the jails are having to set their thermostat temps locked at a mandatory 65 degrees as I understand that the good Governor decided to do to every office over at Tech??  Talk about making someone uncomfortable...</p>
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		<title>By: HCS</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to completely agree with everyone's response to Mary's gripes with the way jails are run...you are all 100% right, it is JAIL. But, here's a thought that crossed my mind:

They leave the lights on 100% of the time...which is another way to punish the inmates (it may not be THE reason they leave them on, but it sure would suck to never have the lights off). But, what if they started turning them off at least for a couple of hours at night...I wonder how much $$ they would save in electricity??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to completely agree with everyone's response to Mary's gripes with the way jails are run...you are all 100% right, it is JAIL. But, here's a thought that crossed my mind:</p>
<p>They leave the lights on 100% of the time...which is another way to punish the inmates (it may not be THE reason they leave them on, but it sure would suck to never have the lights off). But, what if they started turning them off at least for a couple of hours at night...I wonder how much $$ they would save in electricity??</p>
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