2009.11.03
Election Night open thread
Discuss the election results here as they come in.
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I was ballot number 63 counted at the poll at about 0620 this morning. Only had to wait behind my wife in line.
Comment by Ed S. — November 3, 2009 @ 6:55 pm
Returns will come in at the State Board of Election site.
Comment by C. Trejbal — November 3, 2009 @ 7:02 pm
I'm just thankful it is over.
Comment by Henry — November 3, 2009 @ 7:03 pm
Chris Matthews just acknowledged that McDonnell is winning because he ran a positive campaign with emphasis on family and government service, focusing on the economy with a positive view of the future. He said Deeds, referring to him as "the other guy," ran a negative campaign, trying to get points out of a 30 year old thesis. MSNB has it 65% to 35% for McDonnell.
Comment by Another Chris — November 3, 2009 @ 7:52 pm
I can't remember what method our district used during the last election, but today we used paper ballots. It is good to know there is at least a "back-up" in case a recount needs to occur. As I picked up my form, I asked the ladies about the electronic machines. One just shook her head at first, then said to the effect that it was a response to the problems they had with the electronic machines. I wonder if there were problems (disclosed or not) last year with the machines used in our district. The systems used "Winvote"...which just screams of instability to me.
Another interesting tidbit that I have not run into before...as I was walking up to the table I also noticed this particular lady had a diamond stud sticking in her cleavage. While at the time I thought it was simply an attention-getter, I wonder if one of her earrings had just fallen out. Is this a new fashion trend I was not made aware of?
Comment by Ed S. — November 3, 2009 @ 7:55 pm
Where do you vote, Ed?
Comment by C. Trejbal — November 3, 2009 @ 7:57 pm
Looks like we get "TalibanBob" McDonnell for 4 years. How sad for all of us.
Comment by Saintbridge — November 3, 2009 @ 8:01 pm
Well, NBC news just declared McDonnell the winner with only 26% of the precincts counted. That didn't take long.
Comment by Another Chris — November 3, 2009 @ 8:03 pm
Sorry, Christian, I didn't mention. I'm in Fairfax County - Centreville.
Not quite in y'alls neck of the woods, but I consider SW VA my true home.
I've been here since late 2000, and I think they were using the "Winvote" machines since about 2001 or 2002. I remember the first election I voted in up here they used a different machine. It was electronic, but not touchscreen. It was akin to a microwave oven keypad, that had red lights next to each button. I'm not sure if they had a "paper trail" either, but I doubt it.
Comment by Ed S. — November 3, 2009 @ 8:06 pm
The best part is Democrats in Congress will spooked by this bloodbath. They're going to think twice before signing on for 0bamacare.
Comment by Suzie — November 3, 2009 @ 8:08 pm
#7 - "Looks like we get "TalibanBob" McDonnell for 4 years. How sad for all of us."
This, coming from the same people who have told us Republicans to "get over it" when Obama won.
Comment by Patrick — November 3, 2009 @ 8:17 pm
#10 - Hence the reason Dear Leader pushed so hard for it to be passed BEFORE this election.
Comment by Patrick — November 3, 2009 @ 8:22 pm
Looks pretty clear to me. Best candidates win? Who knows, but it's a rejection of the liberal movement. Hats off to Virginia's voters!
Comment by Al — November 3, 2009 @ 8:32 pm
No, Pat, it came from me, one person, an individual. I'll thank you not to lump me in with any larger group.
I was witness to the dishonesty and homophobic vindictiveness of Bob McDonnell and other Republican cowards during the political witch hunt and ousting of Judge Verbena Askew in Hampton. He has a record of repressive legislation and a hard right-wing agenda. Obama -- thank you for spelling the President's name properly -- is doing exactly what any rational, sane, patriotic American would do to protect the interests of our nation.
There's the difference: one is a statesman and the other is a budding theocrat.
Comment by Saintbridge — November 3, 2009 @ 8:37 pm
A clean sweep for the top three state offices for Republicans!
Sort of a V8 hit in the head moment for VA voters!
Welcome back BIG RED STATE!
Comment by John R — November 3, 2009 @ 8:37 pm
This is only the beginning.
I am watching the N.Y 23 an N.J. gov.
Race.
Even if the Rep. is close in N.J
health care is dead.
the blue dogs are going to run for cover.
Saint Bridge your comment is just as bad as others with Usama Obama.
You might want to come up with other names in 2010 because the Repubs are going to run thru the dems like a train.
Comment by HERB KREBS — November 3, 2009 @ 8:39 pm
Patrick 12,
Yep and now Democrats are making noise that it might be pushed into next year. And after tonight, how do the mid-terms look for Democrats? This baby might not happen at all. Woohoo!
Comment by Suzie — November 3, 2009 @ 8:46 pm
It's been awhile since I picked all winners...ok Yankees, you're next!!! Woo Hoo!!!!
Comment by RoanokeRnR — November 3, 2009 @ 8:48 pm
McDonnell's the Governor and unemployment is still skyhigh. What a load of hooey. The roads are still in bad shape and he promised to fix everything. Just another lying politician !!!!!
Comment by Blue John — November 3, 2009 @ 8:48 pm
I think it's safe to say, McDonnell's governorship is pretty much a failure. He hasn't lived up to any of his promises yet, so you can pretty much count those as broken. And where's the transportation he promised? Horrible. What a failure.
Oh, am I too early? I guess FOX waited a week to declare Obama a failure.
Comment by WPGHSC — November 3, 2009 @ 9:00 pm
Let's see, the RTEB was batting 100% in endorsing Democrats over republicans in statewide races. How are you batting now RTEB?
Too bad it looks like Onzlee Ware is going to win tonight. It would have been a slam dunk had he lost. If the R's had run any kind of opponent he would be closing down his Richmond office.
Welcome to the fact that RTEB endorsements mean... very very little.
Comment by Bob H — November 3, 2009 @ 9:01 pm
BTW, Keenum for sheriff was another great call.
Comment by Bob H — November 3, 2009 @ 9:08 pm
Blue,
No worse then your president.
Comment by HERB KREBS — November 3, 2009 @ 9:08 pm
I demand to see mcdonnell's (sic) birth certificate, SAT scores, college transcripts, and the last five years of his tax returns. He has failed the Commonwealth and there should be some way to force him out of office. Hell, we can't even get a flu shot!!
Comment by Blue John — November 3, 2009 @ 9:15 pm
Bob H, what returns are you watching. I just checked the board of elections site on the link CT provided. It shows Ware down to Bird 54 to 45 with 32% reporting. Is that out of date?
Blue, you are funny! But I'm sure Bob McD's documentation is available. After all, he is a US citizen with nothing to hide in his background. If those things weren't true, well, that would certainly be a good reason for a politician to to refuse to make those records public.
Comment by Another Chris — November 3, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
24 Blue John,
Unlike your hero, I'm sure McDonnell would be happy to share all that information
Comment by Suzie — November 3, 2009 @ 9:41 pm
Tell him to cough it up. Pretty quick pronto!!
Oh, and Suzie, in case you haven't heard, you and the rest of your gender are part of the problem with the economy. I'm sure bobby will have some instructions for you shortly. As they say, it's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.
Comment by Blue John — November 3, 2009 @ 9:57 pm
Taliban Bob?? Sounds like the liberal KKKers don't want Catholics in office.
Comment by Patt — November 3, 2009 @ 9:57 pm
60-40 Ware. Octavia is winning.
Comment by Bob H — November 3, 2009 @ 9:58 pm
Just wait until 2010. This is just the beginning. I would suspect there are a number of Members of the House that are very concerned about losing their jobs next year. Watch them implode on Mr. Obama.
Comment by Michael A, Howdyshell — November 3, 2009 @ 10:49 pm
Wow. Christie beat Corzine decisively in ultra-blue NJ. Both governors races were farther apart than were predicted by mainstream media polls.
So here is your mandate, Democrats. Stop all the socialism stuff or lose your seat next year.
Comment by Suzie — November 3, 2009 @ 10:57 pm
Looks like the great conservative experiment was a dud in upstate NY. Bad news for the teabaggers.
Comment by Art Hill — November 4, 2009 @ 1:48 am
So thankful its over. I got visually assaulted with 5 ads in a row Sunday just simply trying to watch football. Hopefully wont see any more bigoted ads from McDonnell, or any "you lied!!!" ads from Deeds.
Now we can move forward into a mostly irrelevant four years in which very little will get done, (similar to the last four years.) Anyone want to place wagers on whether or not the smoking-in-restaurants thing gets overturned?
Comment by scott — November 4, 2009 @ 1:58 am
Well looks like the mandate has been set.
If you believe in govt over reaching you will
lose your seat.
Comment by Herb Krebs — November 4, 2009 @ 5:31 am
"Same sex marriage" is not approved in Maine. Keep up the fight, good Americans, we keep winning!
Comment by Patt — November 4, 2009 @ 5:33 am
Reasons for loss:
In 2008 election Obama 1.958,532, McCain 1,725,005. In 2009 election with 97% reporting McD 1.082,671, Deeds 760,122. Conclusion: Most of the Republicans voted this time, but the Democrats never accepted Deeds - and stayed home rather than vote for him. Looks as if the Independents stayed home en mass.
There were only two significant elections in the nation. So the GOP could spend a lot of money on them. The Dems don't have that much , and didn't care for Deeds anyway. I'll wait until the official word is out, but it seemed to me that there were five times as many GOP and NRA ads as Dem ads. And they were right out of the Karl Rove playbook; negative and dishonest. And people are swayed by ads, otherwise no one would use them.
Primaries are always low turnout. A GOP friend acknowledged that since there was no GOP primary, there was an organized campaign to cross over and vote for Deeds in the Democratic primary, because he would be a lot weaker candidate than Terry McAuliff, who could tap the Dem national funds.
Comment by Norm24 — November 4, 2009 @ 5:35 am
31 its already lost
Comment by pammala — November 4, 2009 @ 6:16 am
Political commentators have indicated that McDonnell's win has nothing to do with Obama, but more about the economy. The economy is the issue and Obama is the one that is spending the money!
Comment by Ron Childress — November 4, 2009 @ 6:49 am
OK McDonnell..you ran a great campaign..now run the state similarly. Innovate...get hold of companies in the high tax states and tell them to relocate and bring their jobs HERE. Let's get this house rockin'!!!!!
Comment by BUD — November 4, 2009 @ 7:09 am
If I were a democrat, I'd be more than a bit concerned about Kaine as head of DNC....Howard Dean, love or hate him, IS A STUD!! He made sugar out of unowhat. The dems have the numbers but no leadership, the GOP has the ideas but no leadership..2010 goes to the side who can produce a person the nation can get behind, trust and identify with.
Comment by BUD — November 4, 2009 @ 7:21 am
Hello to all Democrats:
This election certifies that you can no longer win on just "bashing Bush".
The electorate expects you to have a specific plan about what YOU are going to do (as opposed to initiating a bi-partisan committee to study an issue).
BH0 was elected, as was a democrat congress. The eletorate expects you to get with the program and put together some ideas of SUBSTANCE.
Maybe this wasn't an election on BH0 (I think all elections send a message to Washington though). Either way, it is clear now, the Bush bashing is not a plan. It is not going to get you elected.
You have a year to come up with a new strategy....
Comment by Bob H — November 4, 2009 @ 7:32 am
Kaine is to the Democrats what Gilmore was to the GOP. Kaine is no more qualified to run a National Party than Gilmore was, and I imagine in the not too distant future will be removed from this post.
In the eight years of Warner/Kaine there was no real push for a realistic transportation solution, nor do I feel our incoming Governor will prioritize this aspect of Government either.
In a recent poll Virginians stated they want the roads fixed-they just don't want to pay for the fix.
McDonnell played on this theme, and now has to produce a transsportation fix that won't cost Virginians anything.
It should be interesting to see what happens.
Comment by joe Mostowey — November 4, 2009 @ 7:38 am
LOL. Before I went to bed, I predicted the liberal media spin on the election. They would say that it was a mixed night, and equate the NY race with the colossal GOP upset in New Jersey and the VA landslide.
The media didn't disappoint. CNN spent nearly all of its interview with Michael Steele discussing "what went wrong" in New York. Page 9 of the Roanoke Times had an AP article claiming Democrats are showing "renewed strength" in traditional GOP bastions. I'm sure Dan and the RTEB will follow suit with this ridiculous storyline.
The real story last night was that 0bama's policies were throroughly repudiated, and conservatives are on the ascendancy. New York 23 was a fluke due to a flawed nomination process, a late entry, and a late withdrawal. The fact that Scozzafava's name was still on the ballot (she got a difference-making 6000 votes) confused voters. In a normal process, the conservative would have won in a walk.
Comment by Suzie — November 4, 2009 @ 7:56 am
Patt 35,
I guess Maine is filled with homobigots just like California was. Amazing how the majority who oppose gay marriage, even in a blue state, can be the "fringe", while the loud minority is the "mainstream".
Comment by Suzie — November 4, 2009 @ 8:01 am
What happened to the media's portrayal of the Republican party as dead? Awww - too bad. Now VA and NJ can get back to real business that works: cutting spending, lowering taxes, and fixing this economy.
Comment by Jim — November 4, 2009 @ 8:14 am
This is so much like 1993 when Allen won VA, and Whitman won NJ, foreshadowing the tidal wave that followed the next year. Let's hope it works out that way again. Or will liberals be so arrogant they'll think they have a mandate that never existed?
Comment by Suzie — November 4, 2009 @ 8:34 am
@33 scott, do you have a Tivo or DVR? That has been my only saving grace come election season. I'll pause the game for a good 30-45 minutes before sitting down to watch so I can skip commercials, but still wind up at the end of the game about the same time it actually ends. I can;t stand politics getting in the way of sports, that's why I don't talk much on the golf course either. Election results last night were entirely predictable. Now, I'm going to watch closely to see if McDonnell does any of the transportation revenue-raising programs he outlined, and how many of them actually go through. Somehow, I doubt much changes and that we fall even further behind, but I hope I'm surprised when he takes the reigns and he actually follows through, unlike so many of our previous and current elected officials.
Comment by Other John — November 4, 2009 @ 8:48 am
"The independent voters who powered President Obama and Democrats to victory in 2008 fled to Republicans in Tuesday's elections, helping the GOP romp to a ticketwide sweep in Virginia and a stunning victory over an incumbent Democratic governor in New Jersey." (Washington Times, 11/4/09)
No matter how the liberals spin it, this election was always more about Obama than the GOP. The independants, not the Republicans, won this election in NJ and VA. This will be the death of health care reform.
Comment by John R — November 4, 2009 @ 8:52 am
John,
I find this analysis far more compelling:
In Virginia, as expected, former state Attorney General Bob McDonnell (R) cruised to an easy victory in the gubernatorial race, beating Creigh Deeds by 18 points, 59% to 41%. This was not a surprise -- Deeds ran an odd, disjointed campaign -- and was in keeping with recent history. For the last 32 years, the party that wins the White House has gone on to lose Virginia's governorship the next year.
Those looking for key electoral indicators or evidence of larger national trends are likely to be disappointed. McDonnell went out of his way to run a moderate campaign, despite a conservative record, and kept the Tea Party crowd at arm's length. The governor-elect ran away from his far-right background, and made sure that Sarah Palin -- who offered to "help" -- had nothing to do with his campaign.
Comment by Dan Radmacher — November 4, 2009 @ 8:57 am
@47, Yep OJ, I do. The problem with watching the Redskins game on DVR (besides the fact that I'm watching the redskins is a problem in itself)is that whenever something good or bad happens, inevitably, I get a text from someone up in DC from my old football crowd. Can't win! (Just like in Politics!)
Comment by scott — November 4, 2009 @ 9:21 am
I like how the media tries to blame Deeds, not their party or this administration, for this Democrat loss. "It's not our scary agenda, rather it's our candidate that screwed up." Enough already. VA for Obama was a fluke. Deeds lost by a huge margin. TEA party issues are what won NJ. And Palin not only put a nail in the coffin for public healthcare earlier, now she priescently reminded VA that she had swung way too far left. Now it's back to sane normal times.
Comment by Jim — November 4, 2009 @ 9:26 am
@Suzie 43,
That's not really spin. The NY election was a congressional election--the only one with national weight. Hoffman was the Conservative Party Candidate, built by and appealing to the TEA Parties---he lost. In fact, his lost amounts to the first win for a Democrat in that congressional district in over 100 years. That's more telling on a national level than the NJ or VA elections, which were state level.
Comment by WPGHSC — November 4, 2009 @ 9:42 am
I can see how that would be a problem scott. Thankfully (or maybe not) I'm a Lions fan, so not only do I not get to watch but maybe 2 games a year, but no one else cares so I don't get such updates! I jsut watch whatever games are on and hope they are compelling enough to watch. The one bit of fallout from last night that I heavily anticipate is that a lot of Democrats in the moderate to conservative districts in the House and the Senators up for re-election next year will likely think long and hard about what legislation to support so they can keep their seats. It's sort of sad that politicians look to maintaining their spot first and foremost, and generally only care about the constituents when they raise enough heck about something or could vote them out. As for the state, we'll see what happens. As I said earlier I'm not tremendously optimistic but maybe I'll be surprised. I didn't feel there was a good option to support, and generally felt that regardless of who won, we'd likely wind up worse off in 4 years than we are today.
Comment by Other John — November 4, 2009 @ 9:54 am
Let me get this straight, a 22 point swing in VA in 12 months has no national implications!
In VA, independents broke for the Republicans 2 to 1.
This time last year the Dems were claiming the Obama victory in VA was history making and the dawning of a new era in politics!
In NJ, 60% of the independents broke for the Republican. How can Obama and the libs say this means nothing after Obama spent so much time in the state and his name and Corzine were linked together all over the state?
Comment by John R — November 4, 2009 @ 10:09 am
Nice revisionism Dan, but you portrayed McDonnell repeatedly as a "far right ideologue", but now suddenly he's a moderate.
To deny this election was anything but a referendum on 0bama's bungling of the economy, his high-tax programs; the health care fiasco and cap-and-tax, is to deny reality which I, frankly, knew you would do.
I'm still waiting for you to call last night a wash because of the confused process that gave NY 23 to a Democrat.
Comment by Suzie — November 4, 2009 @ 10:14 am
Suzie,
I didn't say McDonnell is a moderate. The source I cited said McDonnell ran as a moderate - which is true.
Comment by Dan Radmacher — November 4, 2009 @ 10:30 am
Independents elected the GOP into office because they don't want BIGGER Government. Period.
This IS a shot across the bow for 0bama and the Dems in Congress. They are changing their under-wear as we speak.
My bet is...Health Care aint happening the way 0bama/Pelosi/Reid want it. They will HAVE to get with the GOP and come up with something REASONABLE. Otherwise, they will make 0bama a LAME DUCK for the rest of his term.
Oh Happy Day!
Comment by T Witten — November 4, 2009 @ 10:32 am
55 Dan,
I fail to see what position McDonnell took that would cause you to say he ran as a moderate. He talked about jobs and the economy, and 0bama programs like he trashed cap-and-tax. What 'moderate' position did he take at any time?
Comment by Suzie — November 4, 2009 @ 10:46 am
Suzie great point.
When it comes to the "same sex marriage", we can see how groups such as Family Foundation, Focus on Family, Knights of Columbus, ect can be outspent by their opponents but continue to win by using logic and morality vs "gay bashing".
Comment by Patt — November 4, 2009 @ 11:19 am
T. Witten,
Yeah, the Senate was spooked by these results into delaying their 0bamacare vote into next year. I love it. It's keeping that explosive issue fresh and alive for next year's election. If the Democrats forge ahead with the arrogance they've displayed so far, they'll get destroyed next November.
Really, 0bama is going to have to roll back all his big spending plans, or there will be a price to pay. He's a lame duck after one year. Amazing.
Comment by Suzie — November 4, 2009 @ 11:28 am
@33 - Why, Scott? Because Obama loves to smoke?
Comment by Marked Man (mark) — November 4, 2009 @ 11:31 am
@14 Not everyone agrees with you, Saintbridge...
note the graph about halfway down:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
Comment by Marked Man (mark) — November 4, 2009 @ 11:38 am
@19 BlueJohn, there are over 500 jobs listed at jobs.roanoke.com and over 650 listed at Blueridgehelpwanted.com
Sky high huh?
Comment by Marked Man (mark) — November 4, 2009 @ 11:47 am
#55 McDonnell's far right ideologue and agenda can be seen at it's roots. If you look what this guy has written and talked about and see where he went to school it will come as no surprise in what is in store.
Oh by the way I am not a atheist..it is just I do not hold your views.
Comment by Bill Hudson — November 4, 2009 @ 12:14 pm
But Obamas past cavorting with cop killers, terrorists, GD preaching preachers, and his cocaine use sits well with you. Really Bill??
Comment by Marked Man (mark) — November 4, 2009 @ 12:37 pm
Bob McDonnell is a Army Veteran and a good Catholic (Knights of Columbus). If he is far right, this country needs a lot more far right!
God Bless America!!
Comment by Patt — November 4, 2009 @ 12:41 pm
#64 - Bill, I'd love to read what Obama has written, but I can't since he won't release his thesis and his book "Dreams From My Father" was written by Bill Ayers.
Comment by Patrick — November 4, 2009 @ 1:01 pm
Now we can start blaming all the ills of the Commonwealth on the Republicans in 3...2...1...
Comment by Art Hill — November 4, 2009 @ 1:09 pm
#67 In time I think you will. You see it happens when a President leaves office and they release all or most of what they ave written for future history. Unless you are someone like Bush.The Bush administration may be determined to make one last play for secrecy by taking its records and storing them in a Dallas warehouse, pending a Bush library. They have been fighting with the National Archives.
Cheney and his team are resisting at every turn, following a strategy of running out the clock and thereby implicitly admitting their intention to destroy or take their records.
Who kidding who?
Comment by Bill Hudson — November 4, 2009 @ 1:21 pm
#69 - Bush, Cheney this, Bush, Cheney that...ho, hum.
Comment by Patrick — November 4, 2009 @ 1:25 pm
#70 That ho, hum is what we call, history. And future historians will need that and I hope they win in court, ho, hum, ho, hum.
Comment by Bill Hudson — November 4, 2009 @ 1:40 pm
#71 - No, Bill, that ho, hum is what we call "the same 'ol same 'ol" when it comes to deflecting questions about Obama. No matter what the issue, ask a question about Obama and you get "Bush did this" or "Cheney did that".
Ho, hum.
Comment by Patrick — November 4, 2009 @ 1:59 pm
#72 That very point you are making could very well turns its head to to your point.Those from the right and far right just do not want to remember how and why we got in this mess, forget past history, it does not matter. We got that.
But now the President needs to clean up the mess.
Comment by Bill Hudson — November 4, 2009 @ 2:15 pm
@71 They can't help but play the victims. The Obama administration and disciples have been blaming Bush, Cheney, Palin, Fox News since the election. Typical LIBERAL con - it's not our fault, blame someone else.They act like the GOP is still the party in power. Keep their electorate charged with what hey know best - Bush Derangement Sundrome. It's Total deflection - it keeps the sheep bleating and happy - so they don't pay attention to what is really going on with the man behind the curtain. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
Comment by Walker — November 4, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
Sorry - Syndrome or BDS
Comment by Walker — November 4, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
#72 Facts are things that will not just go away, or maybe facts are a liberal something or another thing too? Keep going on your far right wing take the GOP so far you will lose in 2010.
But any who, we have another 3 more years to clean up the mess and if your Palin runs then we will have another 4 more years. She is the gift that keeps giving.
Comment by Bill Hudson — November 4, 2009 @ 2:34 pm
Personal responsibility. Liberals DESPISE it. Barry will never OWN anything bad that he has done and will do.
He will leave the White House in 3 years, probably claiming racism or claiming the election was stolen.
Fraud.
Comment by T Witten — November 4, 2009 @ 2:38 pm
@73... so Bill, any idea when he is going to start?
Comment by Marked Man (mark) — November 4, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
@68 That's right Art, but at least we cant blame them on our neighbor Delaware, right? *insert rim shot here*
Comment by Marked Man (mark) — November 4, 2009 @ 2:44 pm
As for 2010...the GOP doesnt have to DO anything. They can sit back and relax.
The Dems are in power. Total control.
THEY are the ones who'd better clean up the mess THEY'VE made in the last 3 years they've had control.
The Dems have to: FIX the economy
"FIX" Health Care or save face, which is too late.
FIX unemployment.
Re-FIX the two Wars
They need to do this in a year. Good luck.
Anyhoo...Independents voted against their Big GOVT. policies in a BIG way.
I'd say its looking PRETTY good for the GOP right now.
Just sit back...and relax.
Comment by T Witten — November 4, 2009 @ 2:45 pm
#77 The GOP does not own personal responsibility, Patriotism,real Americans,our military, and a host of thing you guys "think" you are and own. Maybe you should state your own county where everyone thinks the same way you do.
We have moved beyond that.
Comment by Bill Hudson — November 4, 2009 @ 2:51 pm
No, we don't OWN them for sure.
But, we also don't consider a LYING Adulterer to be a personally responsible guy. We get rid of them.
We don't see bad-mouthing our own country on foreign soil as "Patriotic".
We don't consider STATISTS to be traditional "real" Americans, as our fore-fathers would have them hung.
Comment by T Witten — November 4, 2009 @ 4:12 pm
#81 Your last comment might just give it away or as some from the right might say,they should be shot. (those crazy right wingers)
But that is right, you do not own it. Being liberal is as American as apple pie. And no one likes bad mouthing our President but your side this summer sure did their share. But you did not see anyone calling them un-American (maybe a bit nuts) did you?
So why not get on the ball and get behind our President? It would be a very American thing to do.
Comment by Bill Hudson — November 4, 2009 @ 6:27 pm