Comments on: Firearms education in 1,000 words

By: Bubba Greene

Bubba Greene — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:19:25 +0000

Perch: Hope you enjoy(ed) your time away but we both know this blogging thing tends to be a tad compulsive and addicting esp when it is not combat blogging. I am however puzzled. Apparently you see all the “ban” talk as misguided political posturing. That it is. But to deny it as an effort to disarm people! That is EXACTLY what they want to do. Can you really look at the laws in Chicago and NY and not see that? After the grace period of a mandated registration your “AR” will be taken and you will face charges for just having it in NY. You cannot “sell” it even to a family member without a check. The purchase of ammunition will also require a check. Do you actually listen to Bloomberg? NOW, I’ll admit that actually effecting disarmining the public would not be easy BUT, it has been done in other countries in recent and times past and if some people don’t stand up now, we may find it’s too late at some point in the future. As I have said so often, it’s not the next step, it’s where the path leads.

By: Perch

Perch — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:22:49 +0000

Bubber, I am disengaging because I am tired of trying to keep up with all the blogs. We’ve said all we are going to need to say for now, so I am hoping to actually get out of the house as spring approaches to do what I love.
Just to let you know, I am in agreement with you over any ban on assault type weapons. Misguided, political posturing, yes. An attempt to disarm the citizenry? Nah, I don’t believe so. Why anyone wants one, I don’t really understand, except to play with them, but like you said before, that ain’t none of my business to say what you can have. Really, bye for now.

By: Bubba Greene

Bubba Greene — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:45:55 +0000

BTW, Mark, the firearm you desire, pictured above, is now (will soon be)illegal in NY. It has one of the three potential features which define it as an assault weapon. A pistol grip! Totally amazing. That, along with a flash suppressor or a folding stock is all it takes. (Any 1 of those 3 features.) BTW, on my 1886 Winchester 38-40 there is a feature called a “pistol grip” behind the trigger which is part of the wooden stock. Wonder it that one is banned as well?

For those who are not familiar with the nature of the NY ban check out the link below. No more purchases of these firearms, need to register, face criminal charges, no more over 10 round magazines, background checks for ammunition purchases, private sales of grand dads Model 12 need a background check….and on and on.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/01/details_about_new_yorks_new_gu.html

This is the picture of what a state administration with legislative support can do even though it is questionable what kind of public support exists for the measure. This pretty much also defines the current federal picture. While there are some positive intentions the law is completely going to prove to be ineffective.

This is also what the consequences of turning away from the issue brings, so I’m going to keep on bitchen’ and hope other do as well. It is essentially impossible to have much discussion on “guns” today without also talking politics.

Clint: Your fears are completely justified but just think. If you lived in NY they would not be as NY has banned possession of firearms at schools and in the bus as well. No more crime in NY schools!

By: Perch

Perch — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:15:18 +0000

Actually, I have never called for a ban on anything. I have questions about some of the ideas being bandied about and have gotten some cogent information from folks on this blog. Clint, I clearly pointed out that I do not agree with everything the Democratic party says or does. The reason I consider myself a Democrat is that despite my dissatisfaction with some of it’s tenets and goals it still suits my larger philosophy more than the other side, and any third party effort is incapable of being politically viable at this point in history.
Bubba, promised I wouldn’t “argue” with you anymore because I know it is counterproductive and wish politics hadn’t been brought up in the first place, but it was and I reacted. Mark Taylor knows me and I assume he knows enough about you to say what he said. I agree with him and I am sure that I’d be buying you adult beverages and enjoying the “face to face” where tone and conviction are much more easily discerned than in the black and white, one-way monologues we have here. Believe me, I have spent hours in boats and afield with a lot of “right wingers” and before we veer into the political realm, we find a boatload of common ground.
Yeah, I am disengaging from the fray for now, but I certainly didn’t take the ball. It’s Mark’s ball anyway, and I definitely left it for you to play with yourselves. Like Jimmy said, “got to stop bitchin’, time to go fishin’”!!

By: Clint

Clint — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:41:47 +0000

You said it well Bubba. I have school aged children and I worry a lot about this new fad for these mentally ill young men in their late teens, early twenties to go on these mass shooting sprees. Sandy Hook is a tragedy that can’t even be put into words. Guns are the easy target, so that’s what “the middle” agrees to ban at the urge of the left, who are simply being politically opportunistic. However, the biggest tragedy is that no one ever wants to address the root of the problems in our society today that cause these shootings. So, I’m afraid that you and I will have less gun rights in a few months and my children will be even less safe in their schools, because we all know criminals and lunatics don’t follow laws and experience shows that they target gun free zones.
As for Perch, I’m sure he’s a fine person. Most of the regulars on here share a common interest of enjoying the outdoors. I was just trying to test his theory on being reasonable and compromising. You see, I imagine he only wants to compromise on restricting guns. And of course when it doesn’t work (because it won’t) and we have another shooting 6 months later, he will be saying that we didn’t do enough and we need more reasonable compromise. It’s political speak for do what I want and go along with the crowd.

By: Mark Taylor

Mark Taylor — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 03:24:26 +0000

I’m betting if we put Perch and Bubba in the same room they’d hit it off, but good. Wouldn’t leave that night agreeing with each other on everything, but that’s not the point!

By: Bubba Greene

Bubba Greene — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 01:07:02 +0000

Clint: Perch has apparently decided to take his ball and go home. Actually, I have engaged him on a few other threads and he’s not all that unreasonable. Probably a pretty good guy. He’s probably like a lot of, if not most of, the citizens “in the middle”. We all feel for innocent people killed anywhere and everywhere by any manner. And when “guns” are involved, the reason those killings happened is due to the guns. So we ban the guns and stop the killing. It’s all so perfectly clear. But I, and maybe you too, know the cause is not guns, but the criminal animal mentality of so many in society today. And I THINK I know a couple reasons for that as well. A gun ban will only disarm the good guys while the bad guys keep their guns. And then, with the help of publically available data on gun owners, such as the RT’s tried a few years back and one NY paper also did recently, the criminals can come steal ours and use them to inflict more terror on society. Isn’t it so odd that the places with the tightest gun laws are the places with the most crime! If bans worked we should really start with a ban on drunk driving. Way more people are killed by that than by guns.

But on a lighter note, here may be something we can use against the mugger when he come from the shadows of the parking garage.
It does help to be able to read “Russian” but if you cannot, just click around and you’ll figure it out pretty easily. I got a 25 in 8 seconds!

http://deti.mil.by/templates/swf/Pistol/index.swf

By: Perch

Perch — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 00:22:46 +0000

I’ll look there, Bubba, but the “period” was no more than a correction to the previous comment where I had left off the period at the end of my sentence. Sorry, looking back, it would have been better without the punctuation addition. Set a bad tone, but not my intention.
Clint, I agree with you that “the” Dems aren’t always right on everything. Never said, or thought, they were. Either way, mental health issues are problematical and demand attention.
No matter what time it is, it is time to wake up and get serious about gun violence. If your only suggestion is more guns, I feel like you may be missing the point. If you think there is no problem, then you are part of the problem, I believe.

By: Clint

Clint — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:46:20 +0000

I believe more guns are the answer. We should get rid of gun free zones and we should put armed guards in schools. I believe that the problem with the current back ground checks is that the Democrats refuse to repeal portions of the HIPPA Act that keep mental health records from being reported. So Perch, where is my compromise? Or am I, under your judgment, an extremist to be dismissed but you’re position is a self professed “reasonable” one. Just wondering?

By: Bubba Greene

Bubba Greene — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:50:53 +0000

CORRECTION: Make that the “official party line of the left is about 9:30″!